Fighting Vipers 2 was a kick in the nuts for me. The magic of the first game was gone.
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SEGA AM2 Collection Vol. 1 |OT| Now you can Model 2
- Thread starter HueyFreeman
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Fighting Vipers 2 was a kick in the nuts for me. The magic of the first game was gone.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Also Sonic The Fighters is virtually unplayable.
I like it at the time, it wasn't gravy but it did sure looked purdy.
I know, I owned it on the Saturn and played the hell out of it
Only played StF once in an arcade.It might be hard to adjust to the arcade music for FV now, that Saturn soundtrack was pretty influential to me.
polyh3dron
Banned
No Virtual On or Virtua Striker, no buy.
Not sure I understand the reasoning behind this kinda talk though. I guess I only played it once, and it doesn't quite compare to its AM2 siblings... but unplayable?
Tizoc
Member
You'd still be playing it 4:3 anyways wouldn't you? Still we won't know til we play the games and check in the options.
...and it has Kujo Jotaro~
IrishNinja
Member
i really do like supporting sega - especially this era that we don't see much of - but as a PS+ subscriber it's tricky, because so much of their older stuff is offered free eventually, and my curiosity about sonic fighters can kinda wait
cant wait for announcement of 2013 GOTY localization, as well as the HD remakes of 1-2
cant wait for announcement of 2013 GOTY localization, as well as the HD remakes of 1-2
Emperor Bohe
Member
definitely in for virtua fighter 2!
Azure Dream
Member
OP should note the inclusion of additional playable characters in Sonic the Fighters, it was pretty neat of them to dig into the game to add that. (And fix up Honey a little, since she had a few bugs.)
Emperor Bohe
Member
should I buy VF2 on PS3 or 360? I prefer buying my games on 360, but if VF has a huge PS3 crowd I may go for that version instead. If VF5:FS is any indications, 360 should have a decent community hopefully
Tizoc
Member
Most VFDC (virtuafighter.com) players are on Xbox Live
The original home release of VF5 only had online play on 360, so that's where most of the serious players are/were.
damn, thats neat. wonder how that works?
IrishNinja
Member
damn, so jelly
Emperor Bohe
Member
that's what I thought. 360 it is =D
HueyFreeman
Banned
Well, the press releases say online multiplayer... I'm not exactly sure how to interpret that, but I feel like if they had meant leaderboards, they would have just said leaderboards. My expectation would be that there is online MP.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Fighting Vipers get.
I thought Shenmue was already planned though?
I thought Shenmue was already planned though?
It's a little known fact that Sonic the Fighters arcade machines actually break your fingers when you lose.
sixteen-bit
Member
I appreciate the effort in getting Model 2 conversions out there, but none of these games are worth playing today. Will pass.
Sonic is so bad.
It might be hard for me to resist VF2 and Fighting Vipers for nostalgia's sake, but VF2 in the RGG5 demo used the stutter approach for handling the timing difference between Model 2 and modern hardware, so I wonder if these ports will do the same.
And if they do, I might not want to buy them.
It might be hard for me to resist VF2 and Fighting Vipers for nostalgia's sake, but VF2 in the RGG5 demo used the stutter approach for handling the timing difference between Model 2 and modern hardware, so I wonder if these ports will do the same.
And if they do, I might not want to buy them.
HueyFreeman
Banned
Just rumors, nothing's been confirmed at all.
To each his own, but I'd categorically disagree that VF2 and FV aren't worth playing, even excluding the retro value. This is from Sega's golden age.
I seriously don't understand this whole unplayable thing. Was it because I was playing the Gamecube version with my friend? Are these horrible memories from the arcade version? I've also only played the actual arcade version once, but I don't remember it being awful.
Someone please, enlighten me.
PowderedToast
Junior Member
they'll be getting subsidised by sony for that access, anyway
U n i o n 0015
Member
Agreed. The plain blue 4:3 background looks really bland as well, it makes the ports seem like rush jobs. That's my only worry.
I'll pick up FV and VF2 just because I have been waiting YEARS for arcade perfect versions of those games.
Could you explain in detail what this "stutter approach" is? I'd like to learn more about it.
SkylineRKR
Member
For 5 a pop I'll buy them all.
Fighting Vipers is really fun though. It was very easy to get into and smashing someone through the fence never got old. The Saturn version was good, but I played it at the arcade and that was 60fps with excellent lighting.
Sonic the Fighters I think was based on FV, it didn't really work but I can't resist a Sonic fighting game. The characters looked nice on Model 2.
Fighting Vipers is really fun though. It was very easy to get into and smashing someone through the fence never got old. The Saturn version was good, but I played it at the arcade and that was 60fps with excellent lighting.
Sonic the Fighters I think was based on FV, it didn't really work but I can't resist a Sonic fighting game. The characters looked nice on Model 2.
Model 2 games run at 57hz, and since they wait for the screen to be drawn to update all game logic, changing their refresh rate will change the speed that they run at. All modern consoles run at 60hz, so there are a few ways to handle this refresh rate gap:
- Change the speed of the game to 60hz to match the modern hardware, increasing the speed of everything by ~4-5%
- Render 57 individual frames during the 60hz cycle and repeat a few frames each second
- Have screen tearing all over the place
They went with the second approach, which means you'll get a few frames of "stutter" each second.
Some of the M2-developed Sega Ages 2500 PS2 releases of Model 2 games let the user select between 60hz and 57hz. I prefer speeding the game up in most cases, so I'm hoping that option shows up here.
HueyFreeman
Banned
That's awesome info, man, thanks for the explanation.
Is it out today? VF2 impressions people! How does it fair to the model 2 emu?
Bring it on! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9QctiWuumk
Bring it on! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9QctiWuumk
Barrel Cannon
Member
I skimmed OP so quick that the only words that I initially saw were Panzer Dragoon and 4.99. My brain exploded. After I came to my senses I reread it and cried a little inside. I'll support this if we can get a new Virtual On or at least the PS2 remake of cyber troopers on xbla.
HueyFreeman
Banned
Damn.. given I wouldn't wish that disappointment on anyone, moved and unbolded.
U n i o n 0015
Member
That's coming...see the OP.
GoofsterStud
Member
Agreed. Fighting Vipers was one of my favorite games. I played it for hours upon hours with friends. When I first booted Fighting Vipers 2 the first thing I said was, WTF is up with this art design. Then I thought to myself, it's all about gameplay! This will kick butt! 3 hours later, I realized Fighting Vipers 1 played better.
/sad
Bucket-o-roadkill
Member
Wait, these games have been given the bordered 'Sonic Adventure 1' treatment instead of the Daytona visual update?? Ah man
sixteen-bit
Member
I don't think it's a remake, it's the Model 2 version, no?
U n i o n 0015
Member
Ah yes, you're likely right given that AMCVT seems to have built a Model 2 emulator for these games.
HueyFreeman
Banned
Wait, these games have been given the bordered 'Sonic Adventure 1' treatment instead of the Daytona visual update?? Ah man
We're not quite sure what the display options will be. The screens released thus far have been blue bordered - if the full games only allow for this, I'll update the OP with that (disappointing) piece of info.
GrayFoxPL
Member
You have it?
How asshole is Jeffry? Only that's how we'll know it's a good port.
You edited to FV. Nevermind.
This is great, I had no idea there was extra content in these.
I want to support this, so I'll probably grab at least Sonic the Fighters.
Maybe Fighting Vipers too, but I could never really get into it.
I would have bought VF2 if not for its inclusion in Yakuza 5.
GoofsterStud
Member
Some versions of Fighting Vipers had Pepsi Man, anyone know if this does?