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Sega Genesis/MegaDrive Appreciation Thread: Alien Storm > Golden Axe
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A Black Falcon
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I also forgot to mention Star Fox 64, which is still probably the best rail shooter ever. Sin & Punishment was published by Nintendo too, so it sort of counts, and is also one of the genre's best, though the two Panzer Dragoon games on Saturn match it in greatness (as does Space Harrier). That would be my top 5 rail shooters of the generation; I haven't come across a PS1 one yet that matches up.
Of course, people who are big fans of JRPGs, shmups, and 2d fighting games obviously wouldn't like the N64 much, as it has few games in those genres, so of course what genres you like plays a large part. I like most genres (excepting music games), but don't hold it against the N64 that it has few games in some genres; its strength in the genres it does have makes up for that, for me.
But yeah, I can see your point here; it's definitely true that Genesis games are much more likely to be arcadey in style, versus SNES games. Both systems have plenty of games of the other kind, though; there are long and complex Genesis games, and arcadey SNES ones. But sure, the general stereotypes are as you say.
That's always the argument people have used for PS1 v. N64 -- that the N64 has the best games, but the PS1 has a lot more games. And it's very true. There are many times more PS1 games than N64 games, but as I said, the N64's Nintendo-published titles particularly are overall better compared one-on-one in most cases. In terms of quantity vs. quality, I think I'll still stick with quality, as I always have. Sometimes one system has both quantity AND quality, like the NES versus the 7800 and SMS, but when it's divided, as with the N64... quality matters.
Of course, people who are big fans of JRPGs, shmups, and 2d fighting games obviously wouldn't like the N64 much, as it has few games in those genres, so of course what genres you like plays a large part. I like most genres (excepting music games), but don't hold it against the N64 that it has few games in some genres; its strength in the genres it does have makes up for that, for me.
I think it deserves that place, though. My next favorite Zelda games after OoT are LA, TP, and OoA. (Zelda is my favorite console-game series.)
Ehh, I know that hating on the 5th generation because of its very rough early 3d is popular, and understandable, but maybe because I did play lots of PC and N64 games in the '90s, I like that era in gaming. I like the 5th gen more than the 3rd, overall, myself; I know most people love the NES, but I like all three major 4th gen consoles (SNES, Genesis, TG16) more, and the N64 as well. Of Nintendo's TV consoles the NES is probably better than the Wii U is so far, but I'm not sure what else... but as you say, this is all opinion. When you're comparing consoles that are so different, from different console generations, it's probably next to impossible to make an objective comparison.
As far as favorite systems, for the 4th gen ones, ever since I started playing games for both systems (first in emulators, then with the actual systems when I got them in '05-'06), I've kind of cheated and been unable to choose whether I like the SNES or Genesis+Sega CD+32X more. so I just call it a tie. The TG16 is also great but slightly behind them, partially because of its lacking platformer library.
But yeah, I can see your point here; it's definitely true that Genesis games are much more likely to be arcadey in style, versus SNES games. Both systems have plenty of games of the other kind, though; there are long and complex Genesis games, and arcadey SNES ones. But sure, the general stereotypes are as you say.
IrishNinja
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Damn,you gotta highlight snow and water sports to cobble that view together.
Platformers - Tomba, NiGHTS, Silhouette Mirage, countless others. Mario 64 is amazing but not nearly the only title.
Action - no contest, PSX with many greats on Saturn
Arcade / SHMUP / Run n Gun etc - Saturn town. I don't fault ABF for not knowing these scenes; he only rocks games with easy mode huge life meters & infinite continues
Racing - Daytona, Wipeout XL & Sega Rally happened,plus AGES ports of OutRun. These are facts.
RPG - paper mario is a clasic, but square PSX + WD Saturn kinda demolish this. Let's not acknowledge Quest 64.
Fighting - oh my god its not even close
Etc etc...like what you like but for real,this argument is like me as a kid saying WELL NES LACKS RASTAN AND GOLVELLIUS SO ITS OBVIOUSLY WEAK
Platformers - Tomba, NiGHTS, Silhouette Mirage, countless others. Mario 64 is amazing but not nearly the only title.
Action - no contest, PSX with many greats on Saturn
Arcade / SHMUP / Run n Gun etc - Saturn town. I don't fault ABF for not knowing these scenes; he only rocks games with easy mode huge life meters & infinite continues
Racing - Daytona, Wipeout XL & Sega Rally happened,plus AGES ports of OutRun. These are facts.
RPG - paper mario is a clasic, but square PSX + WD Saturn kinda demolish this. Let's not acknowledge Quest 64.
Fighting - oh my god its not even close
Etc etc...like what you like but for real,this argument is like me as a kid saying WELL NES LACKS RASTAN AND GOLVELLIUS SO ITS OBVIOUSLY WEAK
sixteen-bit
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Bububu n64 got the best version of Shadow Man
Lol
Lol
A Black Falcon
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This should probably go to one of the 5th gen console appreciation threads, shouldn't it.
Actually I like shmups, arcade games, and run & guns quite a lot. I was listing first-party-published games, however, and Nintendo did not publish any games in those genres on the N64. I did forget to mention the rail shooters Star Fox 64 and Sin & Punishment, though; I mentioned those at the top of my last post. Star Fox 64 is the best game in its genre.
As for shmups, again, as with 2d platformers, I like the 4th gen ones best. Run & Guns... I guess 4th gen, because Metal Slug is my favorite run & gun series.
In sim racers of course the PS1 is the only serious contender. The N64 has a few good to great F1 games and the popular World Driver Championship, but the PS1 has far more games in the genre. The Saturn, in comparison, has essentially nothing for sim racers and finishes last here. I don't enjoy sim racers, though, so this genre isn't very important to me.
Racing games are one of the N64's primary strengths, so I think it makes sense to break the genre up into subgenres on the platform. Plus I like arcade-style racing games a lot, and kart racers, futuristic racers, snowboarding games, and water racing games are all quite different!
I separated 2d and 3d platformers for a reason. In 3d platformers, it's absolutely no contest, the N64 crushes the PS1 and Saturn. But in 2d/2.5d ones, the PS1 and Saturn have far more of them. I personally would weight the N64's great 3d platformers above those, though; sure, the N64, PS1 and Saturn have plenty of good 2d and 2.5d platformers, but for 2d platformers the 4th gen consoles, SNES and Genesis particularly, are when the genre was at its peak, not the 5th generation.
"Action" is an extremely broad genre that includes platformers, shmups, run & guns, and more. What do you mean here?
:lol:
Actually I like shmups, arcade games, and run & guns quite a lot. I was listing first-party-published games, however, and Nintendo did not publish any games in those genres on the N64. I did forget to mention the rail shooters Star Fox 64 and Sin & Punishment, though; I mentioned those at the top of my last post. Star Fox 64 is the best game in its genre.
As for shmups, again, as with 2d platformers, I like the 4th gen ones best. Run & Guns... I guess 4th gen, because Metal Slug is my favorite run & gun series.
It's also a fact that the N64 has more racing games than the Saturn does, while the PS1 has far more than either one of them. So is the PS1 the best racing platform of the generation, just because of its overwhelming numbers? I think not! Quantity does not overwhelm quality, and Nintendo has the highest quality racing games in the 5th generation. Its fantastic racing game library is one of the N64's greatest strengths! The relatively few Saturn racing games are often great too, of course. It's hard to choose between Saturn and PS1 for racing games, because the PS1 has far more while the Saturn has a few games I like more than most any on the PS1 (Daytona...), but it's close.
In sim racers of course the PS1 is the only serious contender. The N64 has a few good to great F1 games and the popular World Driver Championship, but the PS1 has far more games in the genre. The Saturn, in comparison, has essentially nothing for sim racers and finishes last here. I don't enjoy sim racers, though, so this genre isn't very important to me.
I haven't played Quest 64 before, myself. I do like Aidyn Chronicles, though (though that's Western, and not Japanese). Anyway, I said that Paper Mario is my favorite JRPG of the generation, not that the N64 has that genre in quantity. Of course the N64 has very few others, though there are a few in Japan -- Shiren the Wanderer 2 looks pretty good, for example.
For 3d fighting games, the N64 is just as good as the PS1 or Saturn. It really is. I think that 3d fighters have probably aged worse that generation than almost any other genre, though, so that's limited praise. For 2d, of course it's not even close, but there are only three or five 2d/2.5d fighters on the N64, so it's not a particularly fair comparison. Still though... Super Smash Bros. is pretty great.
List wars are kind of pointless, but entertaining!
Im playing through the Castlevania console games in release order, and Rondo released before Bloodlines...right?
sixteen-bit
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yeah
So I got my copy of Phantasy Star 3 in the mail today. The game and case are in great condition! And bonus: the battery is still working! That's good, because I still don't have a set of game bits for my screwdriver, a soldering iron, or spare batteries (I know, for SHAME).
The title screen music is pretty catchy as well.
My copy is missing the instructions, but it still has the poster, and this unadvertised gem:
It's INVALUABLE. But also "mighty useful". I love the wording here, the only thing missing is a warning to kids to get their parents permission before stealing mommy's VISA card and calling to order.
The title screen music is pretty catchy as well.
My copy is missing the instructions, but it still has the poster, and this unadvertised gem:
It's INVALUABLE. But also "mighty useful". I love the wording here, the only thing missing is a warning to kids to get their parents permission before stealing mommy's VISA card and calling to order.
Wanted to draw some maps, so started Shining in the Darkness again. That game doesn't start out that easy, but is pretty good. Really enjoying it again, and for some reason, forgot that Dark Sol is right in the beginning of the game. For some reason, I remember finding out about him at the end of the game and being surprised that it was 'linked' with Shining Force (the first in the series I played, and still my favorite SRPG)
Found a couple copies of cheap Sega CD games at a local thrift store and picked them up for the cases. Hate trying to track them down. Games were garbage (Cliffhanger and Dracula) but the cases were in pretty good shape.
Please say that is a joke. There is no way you will say that there is anything on the N64 that is as good as Tekken 1-3 and VF1/2. If so, really curious what you have. I mean, there is War Gods (hahahahaha) and Mortal Kombat 4 (at least Quan Chi has a fun fatality) but what else would you point to? Dual Heroes? BIO Freaks? PS1 would probably take 3D fighters, but I could see Saturn getting it since I love Virtua Fighter.
Found a couple copies of cheap Sega CD games at a local thrift store and picked them up for the cases. Hate trying to track them down. Games were garbage (Cliffhanger and Dracula) but the cases were in pretty good shape.
Please say that is a joke. There is no way you will say that there is anything on the N64 that is as good as Tekken 1-3 and VF1/2. If so, really curious what you have. I mean, there is War Gods (hahahahaha) and Mortal Kombat 4 (at least Quan Chi has a fun fatality) but what else would you point to? Dual Heroes? BIO Freaks? PS1 would probably take 3D fighters, but I could see Saturn getting it since I love Virtua Fighter.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Pretty sure ABF doesn't "get" fighting games in general.
He slagged on Guardian Heroes' plane-switching system, somehow not really getting that that game is designed the way it is so that it can fit traditional fighting game controls and movesets into a scrolling beat-em-up.
sixteen-bit
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This is a Genesis thread. Why y'all talking about N Shitty Four?
On topic: Thoughts on Alien Storm?
On topic: Thoughts on Alien Storm?
trogdorddragon
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The local flea market has a boxed mega CD with a medga drive 2 and some games which aappearto be bootlegged. They look like carts with homemade labels.
Since this is a pal territory machine will it even work with a TV here in Canada?
The vendor at the flea market is ASKING $200 CDN for it....
Since this is a pal territory machine will it even work with a TV here in Canada?
The vendor at the flea market is ASKING $200 CDN for it....
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I don't think there is a single reason to buy PAL hardware if you live in an NTSC territory, and especially not at that price.
A Black Falcon
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This game is basically 99% grind and 1% grind, and I get bored of it after a little while. It's technically good, but far too repetitive. Also, I like ingame maps, having to draw one myself or print one from the internet is annoying.
There's one good thing about Cliffhanger -- the Sega CD-exclusive scaler-style snowboarding levels are pretty cool! ABSURDLY hard, but very cool. This is one of only a couple of Genesis ports with added scaler sections -- Hook and Batman Returns are the other major ones. Batman Returns is the best of the three, gameplay-wise, but the Cliffhanger ones are pretty cool. I only wish that they were spread out through the game, as the Batman Returns driving levels are; you have to play all of them at once in Cliffhanger, and it's brutally hard. Also there's no saving, of course. Still, it's a nice addition. The game has lots of video clips from the movie, too.
I dislike both Tekken and Virtua Fighter. Virtua Fighter is better than Tekken, but I don't like either series. At least Virtua Fighter gets better later on, though (the third game and beyond, I mean, after the 5th generation)... I still have never played a Tekken game I actually liked. It's just one of those things where I don't get the attraction much at all. As for 5th gen 3d fighters, though, for me, my favorite PS1 fighting game is Evil Zone, followed by Dead or Alive. On Saturn, Dead or Alive, Fighters Megamix, and Fighting Vipers are the best ones. And on N64, it's Fighters Destiny 1 and 2, SD Hiryu no Ken (Flying Dragon's better Japan-only sequel), and Mace: The Dark Age.
Evil Zone might be my overall favorite 3d fighting game that generation. It's totally unique, and I at least like it a lot.
Dual Heroes and Bio Freaks are okay games, but they aren't as good as Mace, SD Hiryu, or Fighter's Destiny. Flying Dragon would be in this tier as well. As for War Gods... that's one of the worst 3d fighting games ever! Criticom (PS1/Saturn) is even worse, but it's terrible. Oh, and on the note of Criticom, Dark Rift (N64) is from that same team, and it's also awful. The two Clayfighter games, however, are okay. They're not good, but not terrible either. The first Clayfighter 63 1/3 is semi-3d, as you have a 3d-dodge button. The second version, Sculptor's Cut, though, plays on a flat plane -- 3d movement is removed. Odd choice.
... Guardian Heroes isn't a fighting game. It's a beat 'em up. Entirely different genre. Sure, I don't find Guardian Heroes very fun, and don't like the plane-switching system much, but that's got nothing to do with fighting games. Anyway, it's not about me "not getting" anything -- I get the idea, I just don't like it!
If you want a fun beat 'em up with some decent fighting game style moves in it, play Final Fight 3 on the SNES.
It's pretty good from what I remember.
Not many people seem to even know about it but as a kid I was all about Alien Storm because the only game we owned was a mega games cart which contained it.
I only learned years later why it said "Genesis Does!" in the background on the ranking screen, lol. I don't think we had that advertising here.
I only learned years later why it said "Genesis Does!" in the background on the ranking screen, lol. I don't think we had that advertising here.
Big fan of Alien Storm myself. Basically Golden Axe with crazy alien designs and a couple of neat first person shooting gallery levels thrown in. I always loved the little intros before the stages...If I recall, one had an alien humping a mailbox.
Great stuff!
IrishNinja
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that PS3 guide...i have it, it's not really invaluable, haha
Shining in the Darkness is classic dungeon crawl if you're down for that! and map-making is part of the magic too.
also god now ya'll got him ranking on Guardian Heroes...i blame myself
wish it kept the arcade intro but still better than Golden Axe in my book, love the game despite people's beef with the OST/etc
Shining in the Darkness is classic dungeon crawl if you're down for that! and map-making is part of the magic too.
also god now ya'll got him ranking on Guardian Heroes...i blame myself
wish it kept the arcade intro but still better than Golden Axe in my book, love the game despite people's beef with the OST/etc
I should point out this is about the N64/PS1 conversation going on, so if you're here for genesis, just skip this post.
...Don't worry ABF, I'm with you. The PS1 is probably the most overated console of all time IMO. I really actively hated all the Square FF's on the thing and think Symphony of the Night is decent, but not nearly as good as the Castlevanias that came after it and a lot of the ones that came before. Legend of Dragoon is another boring title I got recommended.
The old Resi evil games didn't grip me, even at release, but I suppose Silent hill is pretty good even playing it years later. MGS is fantastic, but it's the only game on the system I hold in such regard...however I personally find it to be less relevent in light of Twin Snakes: though both have their merits. Mega Man Legends is fun, but I prefer the Nintendo 64 version even with its compressed audio, I suppose though the port came 2 years later. Never got around to playing MML2.
I'm also personally not into traditional fighters, so I don't get anything out of games like Tekken; Smash Bros. 64 easily trumps them all for me. 3D platformers are my jam, but I only thought Crash 1 was decent, but actively hated Spyro 1. Didn't play the sequels though.
Don't get me wrong, the Saturn is a wonderful machine and I hold it in high regard almost on par with the N64, but the PS1 is kind of a waste IMO and doesn't compare to either console. I truly feel the 3DO has more titles that interest me than the PS1.
Edit: Regarding Castlevania though, I do prefer Bloodlines to SCV4. The graphics were nicer in SCV4, but the game gives you TOO much control. It wouldn't be a problem, but it's still designed like old vanias are so the game becomes too easy.
...Don't worry ABF, I'm with you. The PS1 is probably the most overated console of all time IMO. I really actively hated all the Square FF's on the thing and think Symphony of the Night is decent, but not nearly as good as the Castlevanias that came after it and a lot of the ones that came before. Legend of Dragoon is another boring title I got recommended.
The old Resi evil games didn't grip me, even at release, but I suppose Silent hill is pretty good even playing it years later. MGS is fantastic, but it's the only game on the system I hold in such regard...however I personally find it to be less relevent in light of Twin Snakes: though both have their merits. Mega Man Legends is fun, but I prefer the Nintendo 64 version even with its compressed audio, I suppose though the port came 2 years later. Never got around to playing MML2.
I'm also personally not into traditional fighters, so I don't get anything out of games like Tekken; Smash Bros. 64 easily trumps them all for me. 3D platformers are my jam, but I only thought Crash 1 was decent, but actively hated Spyro 1. Didn't play the sequels though.
Don't get me wrong, the Saturn is a wonderful machine and I hold it in high regard almost on par with the N64, but the PS1 is kind of a waste IMO and doesn't compare to either console. I truly feel the 3DO has more titles that interest me than the PS1.
Edit: Regarding Castlevania though, I do prefer Bloodlines to SCV4. The graphics were nicer in SCV4, but the game gives you TOO much control. It wouldn't be a problem, but it's still designed like old vanias are so the game becomes too easy.
IrishNinja
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again i recognize this belongs in another thread, but
how much time did you spend with the PSX's library? you've kinda named the top 10 sellers/IGN list titles, is the thing
how much time did you spend with the PSX's library? you've kinda named the top 10 sellers/IGN list titles, is the thing
again i recognize this belongs in another thread, but
how much time did you spend with the PSX's library? you've kinda named the top 10 sellers/IGN list titles, is the thing
I mean, fair enough, I've only played like 15-20ish titles for the thing, but when only 1 of them actually impresses me, that doesn't bode well for my overall impression of the system especially considering many of them are supposed to be some of the best on the system. I've also played Clock Tower which was decent, but not as good as the Super Famicom predessecor. I've also played Discworld 2, and that's a brilliant point and click adventure, but it's also a PC and Saturn game.
Twisted Metal was not for me. I played it late so maybe it's just aged poorly. Oh Mickey Mania is fun! but again it's not an exclusive and was only released in PAL territories on the PS1, it's also possible nostalgia is clouding my memory on this one, because I often went over to a friend's to play it and it's the PS1 game I was most attached to as a kid. Vib Ribbon was a neat little rhythm game for sure, but even though you can use your own tracks, it felt short and got repetitive really quickly.
Persona 2: Eternal Punishment is ass. It's a product of it's time, for sure, but I really can't stand most RPGs of the PS1 era due to their loading times, high random encounter rates, ugly graphics and just generally overly obtuse mechanics. I liked innocent sin somewhat, but that's because the PSP remake made so many great quality of life changes. FF Tactics also bored me, don't get the hype for it at all (I played the PSP version.) Alundra was decent, but I didn't finish it because I guess I lost interest in it after like 10 hours. Might go back to it at some point. Uh, the other game I played that I can think of was Castlevania Chronicles? Pretty bad remake if you ask me. Rayman 2 is obselete in the face of all the other, far better ports of it. Rayman 1 is a good 2D platformer, but that's also on every console under the sun.
So I've played a fair amount of games. Yes there are many more but I've played most of the ones that interested me the most. And the comparison with the 3DO really isn't as much of a bash as you make think, I really do like the 3DO quite a lot.
ResidentDante
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Big fan of Alien Storm myself. Basically Golden Axe with crazy alien designs and a couple of neat first person shooting gallery levels thrown in. I always loved the little intros before the stages...If I recall, one had an alien humping a mailbox.
Great stuff!
Haha! I remember this! Amazing game. Played it a lot one summer with my Dad!
Armoured Priest
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I have literally never heard that before, someone honestly liking 3D0 better then the PS1. (Not trying to start a fight. If you like it, you like it...just a bit stunned).
I do wonder a few things though (also, you imply you live in a PAL region which could color your perceptions as well...being in NA, I'm less familiar with what actually got released in PAL regions). So a few musings, pesonal opinions, honest questions, and a couple suggestions.
Love of 3D platformers is one of the few areas I'll give to someone who claims to like n64 best from the 5th generation. There were plenty, and they tended to play better than alternatives on the PS1 and Saturn. Personally, I find them tedious with a couple exceptions. I'll agree Mario 64 is brilliant (even today), and for some reason I like Castlevania 64 (not a lot of actual platforming in that one).
With Twisted Metal, I really only like the 2nd one (I didn't even care for Twisted Metal Black on the PS2 that much).
Again, being in North America, I've played Mickey Mania (I don't know if it was released on PS1 in NA), but I own the Sega CD version, which I was led to believe is actually the best version of that game.
Never played any of the Clock Tower games, so I won't comment on those. I still find Silent Hill, pretty impressive.
I'm with you on Persona. They felt clunky to me even then (clunky actually bothers me less now, so I'm contenplating giving the early Persona games another go...PSP versions of course).
I consider Final Fantasy Tactics in my top 5 of all time. I am curious what it was about it that turned you off, as well as how far you got into it before you quit. If you're up for a S-jRPG, there were a number of other options on the PS1. (I have a fondness for "Kartia"...also really like Vandal Hearts).
Castlevania Chronicles is a gimmie (its neat that its there, but i'd rather play almost any other 2D Castlevania on thier original systems...Rondo is my favorite CV, but I honestly hold CV III, Bloodlines, and CV IV in relatively equal regard right behind it)...if you have a PS1 and you're wanting to play Castlevania...Symphony of the Night is where it's at.
I'd ask what sorts of games you like on 3D0.
sixteen-bit
Member
It's 3DO not 3D0
Jesus Christ show some respect people.
Jesus Christ show some respect people.
Sorry, i never wanted to tarnish the esteemed legacy of the box that played the best version of Ballz.
Armoured Priest
Member
...could have sworn it was 0 as in "augh" (short form of "aught" and pronunced with a long O sound) rather then "O."
Ah well, my bad.
Played a bit of Vapor Trail last night. The game is just OK (better if I'd had a friend to play with), but man that OST is legit awesome...and honestly better then its arcade counterpart.
discoalucard
i am a butthurt babby that can only drool in wonder at shiney objects
I don't know if this applies to Paperboy, but a handful of late run cartridges published by Tengen were printed on bad boards, and just failed over time. I know they affected Grind Stormer (this is how I found out about it) and one of the RBI Baseball games. The only solution, AFAIK, is to swap the ROM chips out onto a different board, but good luck with that.
I was disappointed with it when I was a kid because the characters have all of these cool weapons but really only use them as part of short range canned combos. Compared to other beat-em-ups, the timing of the combos is weird. It's alright, and there are some cool design (the Mega Drive cover art is amazing), but Golden Axe and Streets of Rage are both better.
Thanks, I'm glad NeoGAF is a place for quality discussion. I am sorry to anyone though if you feel I insulted your favourite console, it was not my intention. I don't hate the PS1, I just find my tastes are not in line with most of its games and obviously understand that people love it. Also after this I'll stop posting in the Genesis thread, I don't want to clog it up anymore and just felt like backing up ABF's debate.
Ok! I can answer this!
Lucienne's Quest - I mentioned I don't really like RPGs of the era, but it should be pointed out that one of the main reasons I don't like the PS1 FF's (actually all FFs 4-9) is because I strongly dislike the battle system. Lucienne's quest isn't the best RPG ever, but it's fairly enjoyable. It plays more like a low framerate SNES RPG than a PS1 RPG.
Another World - The best way to play this off a physical copy (There was an HD remake of this recently wasn't there? Still I need my physical copies.) A really good action platformer, not exclusive but still best played on 3DO.
Super Wing Commander - The version of Wing Commander! I wasn't expecting to like Wing Commander at all but I found myself upset that the series had died. Wing Commander 3 is also worth noting, but I actually preferred the first one.
Star Control II - The best game on the 3DO. The space exploration and battles are amazing and just. It's worth getting a 3DO just for star control II, I love it.
Night Trap - aha, well I know a lot of people don't like FMV games but I have fond experiences with this one. This game is another which has it's best version on 3DO. When I got it me and my girlfriend would take turns trying to beat it and slowly getting further each time. Perhaps I'm more fond of these memories, but nonetheless I actually enjoyed the cheesy acting and such.
Guardian War - It's not a bad game as far at Strategy RPGs go. I had some fun with this one, but there are better titles on the 3DO. The soundtrack is definitely this game's defining moment.
Alone in the Dark - This one is more interesting to me from a gaming historical perspective than just to play. Perhaps it's unfair to put it on this list because of that, but I enjoyed my time with it, even though it never really scared me.
Incredible Machine - One game that I played on the PC a lot as a kid actually got a console port! Like Mickey Mania though, I may just enjoy this game because I have some nostalgic attachment to it. Still...it's a really good "puzzle" game, one of my favorites I'd say.
Road Rash and Need For Speed - EA actually had a pair of quality titles on the 3DO. Road Rash 3DO is the best Road Rash out there IMO and I prefer the more "realistic" Need for speed to it's PS1 and Saturn ports.
Flashback - Like another world, I think the best physical version of this action platformer is on the 3DO.
Crash 'n Burn - Not the greatest racing game. Um. Probably not worth putting on this list.
Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: Slayer - I got my enjoyment out of the randomly generated maps and it's certainly worth checking out but there are better games on the console.
Killing Time - I'm very able to cope with low framerates I guess, because I've heard this game makes people feel sick. Either way this is one of my top games on the system. I really like the way the story unfolds and the shooting action is really good for the time and feels good enough today too.
I'm probably still missing a few. Sorry again for clogging the thread, this'll be my last post on the subject in here.
Gunstarheroes
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"3DO better than PS1"
sixteen-bit
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Jaguar: Do the Math
Armoured Priest
Member
This'll be my last as well on this somewhat off-topic tangent. Not at all insulted as far as favorite console goes. My favorite (the if I had to choose one console to be stuck on a desert island), I 'd go with the Genesis (hopefully I'd get to add in Sega CD with that, but even if I couldn't, I'd still go with Genesis).
I've played some 3DO (;P) games, but I'm not terribly familiar with the library...I did always want to try AD&D Slayer. To this day one of my favorite Sega CD games is the port of Eye of the Beholder (yuzo koshiro's techno OST for that game is weirdly awesome), and I was always interested in Slayer...I want to say there was another AD&D game on the 3DO, but off the top of my head I can't remember.
I'd heard of Lucienne's Quest more recently (Thanks, Game Sack), and wouldn't mind giving it a go. Even back in the day, I'd felt that 5th generation console 3D looked bad (one of my big beefs is using 3D when it was unnecissary...there were a number of games on N64/PS1/Saturn that honestly would have been better if they were top-down 2D rather then behind the shoulder 3D). Because of my feeling that 3D from that era ALWAYS looked bad, I'm not really bothered by it now (unless, I simply can't tell what it is I'm supposed to be looking at. As long as the graphics are functional, i don't care).
I get loving the random FMV game. To this day, i still get a kick out of Road Avenger, Time Gal, and in particular Cobra Command (I recently learned the Sega CD version has a different score for the video compared to the arcade version...I think the Sega CD score is a good bit better, actually).
I notice a number of your loves are the upconverts/special editions of 16-bit games. You're right, Another World ("Out of This World" here), and Flashback were probably best on 3DO, and Star Control II is pretty awesome. Can't comment on Super Wing Commander, but I can see how that might be an awesome exclusive for the system.
Alone in the Dark did get both a PS1 and a Saturn port. I can't speak to it, though. I tried renting it once, but the disc was so scratched I couldn't play it...never found occassion to try it again.
for RPG and S-RPG suggestions on PS1, I think you might like the original Wild Arms, Breath of Fire III, Vandal Hearts, and the ports of the 2 Lunar games. All of those games are more like upscaled 16-bit games rather then other RPGs more indicitve of the era.
On the Saturn side, if you've never tried it, give Mystaria/Blazing Heroes a go...its a bit slow, but it doesn't delve into minutae like FF:Tactics does...its more simplistic like Shining Force (that goes for Vandal Hearts as well).
I do want to put a final point on this...I have my preferences and opinions, but I also believe that every system ever made has games worth playing (except maybe the N-Gage...I can't think of any worthwhile games for the taco). If you want to continue this conversation, we can certainly do it over PM.
Shadow Hog
Member
Hey, guys, shut up about the console wars stuff for a second, this is important:
Mike Matei just reviewed Ronald McDonald's Treasure Land Adventure, and whenever he reviews a game, it skyrockets in price (see: Wild Guns). Granted, it's not a glowing review, but still, can't wait for that good-but-not-great game to be worth $100 cart-only!
Mike Matei just reviewed Ronald McDonald's Treasure Land Adventure, and whenever he reviews a game, it skyrockets in price (see: Wild Guns). Granted, it's not a glowing review, but still, can't wait for that good-but-not-great game to be worth $100 cart-only!
sixteen-bit
Member
It's nothing new for Treasure garbage to be grossly overvalued.
I take you cannot stand Gunstar Heroes either? Treasure IMO is one of the most overrated devs in history.
I cannot name a single game of theirs that I enjoyed....outside maybe Astroboy on GBA.
I tend to think that Gunstar Heroes is one of the only times that Treasure is worthy of the praise they get.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Astro Boy GBA is one of their few games that I really loathe. And I own all of them, save for whatever they did for 3DS that I haven't kept up with.
Gunstarheroes
Member
I hate this thread now. 4 posts in a row of dissing golden-age Treasure, this is blasphemy. I mean, if we are gonna hate on Treasure, at least make it the actual Treasure garbage like Light Crusader and Strech Panic, not their top-tier shit like Gunstar and Astro Boy.
I'm mad.
I'm mad.
Think the DreamCast version would have something to say about that
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I enjoyed Light Crusader, partly because it was built up to be "the worst thing ever" before I played it, and it could at least comfortably clear that bar. Nothing special, but it held my attention all the way through.
Pretty sure that game had some legit polygonal enemies near the end, or at least a cool effect that really drove the illusion home. And that one store that was run by a cat was kind of funny.
Pretty sure that game had some legit polygonal enemies near the end, or at least a cool effect that really drove the illusion home. And that one store that was run by a cat was kind of funny.
Silhouette Mirage represent! I still need to get the Saturn version one of these days.
Back on topic, I just finished my replay of Snatcher: what a phenomenal game. The last act (which wasn't even in the first release), is barely playable though: even in the early 90s, Kojima's gonna Kojima!
Phantasy Star 3 is up next, I'll probably start it on the weekend when I can dedicate more than an hour to it. I always like having a good 5 hour chunk of time when starting an RPG.
Back on topic, I just finished my replay of Snatcher: what a phenomenal game. The last act (which wasn't even in the first release), is barely playable though: even in the early 90s, Kojima's gonna Kojima!
Phantasy Star 3 is up next, I'll probably start it on the weekend when I can dedicate more than an hour to it. I always like having a good 5 hour chunk of time when starting an RPG.
listen dude
Alien Soldier and Ikaruga are masterpieces
maybe we can all agree on that
uncledonnie
Banned
Same -- this is new to me completely. Had no idea Gunstar haters were even a thing.
Woah woah woah WOAH... let's not say things we can't take back.
Alien Soldier
Gunstar Heroes
Bangai-O
Sin and Punishment (the original N64 game, not the sequel)
Guardian Heroes
Ikaruga
Radient Silvergun (yes, I agree this one is probably overrated, but still novel).
They have made some truly amazing games over the years. Plus Gunstar Heroes is a fun romp with 2 players on hard mode. And how could anyone really not dig Alien Soldier? It's bat-shit-awesome.
Treasure games are rad as hell.