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Sega Genesis/MegaDrive Appreciation Thread: Alien Storm > Golden Axe

Khaz

Member
Is it normal for the USPS package tracker to say a package has been delivered, but your actual mailbox to be empty? I mean, I'd assume it'd just be in the box the next delivery day, but...

No it's not. I had a signed parcel lost in a similar way. The receipt was signed (but not by me) and the delivery guy said he couldn't remember to whom he gave it to. I filed a complaint but nothing happened. The guy is still working there, my parcel is somewhere and I got pocket money from the post office insurance. Kind of shitty when we're dealing with rare collectibles.

Call them as soon as possible.
 

Mercutio

Member
So I got this Shining Force cart in the mail a few days ago. Price seemed a bit low.

Lo and behold, the battery wasn't even attached to the board anymore. The negative side had actually totally separated, and it was just kind of bouncing around in there. Totally awesome, eBay seller. I was informed that "This was normal for older games." Uh huh. Dead battery maybe, but this battery was actually still alive.

Well, anyway, it inspired me to buy these little low profile battery clips and start replacing stuff. I had to extend the legs a little since the Shining Force board was so thick, but no problem.

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Foul spirits that have clogged this classic SRPG, BEGONE!
 

lazygecko

Member
I like the cover art better than Thunder Force IV, but that US title change will forever remain an enigma.

I have the PAL release. Been a lot of years since I fired it up, but as I recall it does not run at a slower speed.
 
Wow thank you! That's a lot of cool info. I didn't actually know the X'Eye played imports, that's definitely a huge plus. This a lot of good info and uh, I can't offer much in return unless you want to know anything about the Gamecube/component cables/Panasonic Q etc.. Thanks again.

Regional lockouts still apply which means that if the game is locked out of the USA, it wouldn't play (unless you region mod the X'eye or use a Mega Key).
 

Fularu

Banned
Wow thank you! That's a lot of cool info. I didn't actually know the X'Eye played imports, that's definitely a huge plus. This a lot of good info and uh, I can't offer much in return unless you want to know anything about the Gamecube/component cables/Panasonic Q etc.. Thanks again.

It doesn't play imports, you just don't have to break tabs to have japanese carts fit.

Get a MegaKey (if you're uneasy about modding your system). You can find them for less than 30$ now.
 
No worries, it showed up a few hours later. (Which begs the question of why it was marked "Delivered" and not "Out For Delivery", but oh well?)

Yay

maybe the deliverer scanned them all at the beginning of their route to save time instead of doing each individually upon delivery.
 

mltplkxr

Member
It doesn't play imports, you just don't have to break tabs to have japanese carts fit.

Get a MegaKey (if you're uneasy about modding your system). You can find them for less than 30$ now.

That's weird. I just put in a Darius II cart and it played fine. You do need something for import CDs though.
 
I played Darxide on the 32X. What a boring, boring game. Maybe it gets interesting later on, but according to the mission guide I read online, blowing up asteroids is always one of the objectives. It's a nice tech demo for the 32X given that it has texture mapping, and runs at a decent speed, but pretty forgetable otherwise.

Never played the game, but the tunes sound cool
http://fmfridays.tumblr.com/post/98474551789/darxide-32x-1995-adam-salkeld-this-games
 

iidesuyo

Member
Okay, so I probably won't be doing the whole soundtrack. There's a ton of tracks in there and honestly I'm not super passionate about most of them.

Title Screen
Dracula's Theme
Simon's Theme (with gate SFX)

I even made a mockup title screenshot which I probably spent way too much time working on.

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original for reference

I am not much of an image editing wiz when it comes to handling palettes and such. So I just picked a bunch of colors from various Genesis game screens and replaced the ones in the title. I did also increase the resolution to 320x224 though, and editing the background to fill in that extra space was easy thanks to its very tile-based nature.

Impressive! Dracula's Theme sounds scarier than the original version.
 

Teknoman

Member
Patient zero right here o_o



In all seriousness, i've never actually seen disc rot...so this is a first for me. Is that actually disc rot?
 
yup, that is disc rot.

Truth be told, that 's the only spot onthat disc, and it might be far enough out on the disc to have only nailed an audio track. The game data is probably fine.

My Sega CD version of Wing Comannder? Not so much, that one is really bad. i didn't even need the light to see it.
 
From what i've heard...with some disc presses, its inevitable. I think some releases had cheaper media than others and thats what happens?

Or is this going to happen to every disc based medium eventually?

Early 90s game media is more susceptible to it then music CDs, and as discs get newer with more modern pressing techniques, those issues are rarer and rarer. Also DVDs seem to be even more resilient to it.
 
Early 90s game media is more susceptible to it then music CDs, and as discs get newer with more modern pressing techniques, those issues are rarer and rarer. Also DVDs seem to be even more resilient to it.

I have definitely had a lot more problems with that with Sega CD games than anything else, yeah. The oddest ones are dead Gamecube games -- they don't show light from them, and don't seem to have irreparable scratches, but don't work either, and I have at least 4 games like this -- and Dreamcast games are also susceptible to damage, but for seeing light holes through the disc? Sega CD is the worst by far. It seems to be quite uncommon on other platforms, but I have like 3-6 SCD games like that...
 

Khaz

Member
I had disc rot before, but that was literal rot, ie tiny spots of mould/bacteria colonies growing in between the plastic surfaces, feeding on whatever. They were burned discs I left in the car forever, when I was living by the sea in Britain.

But this is the first time I'm seeing chemical rot, only due to disc ageing. This is scary. This is why preservation efforts like redump are important, and having the backups available on the internet is good. Piracy shouldn't be an issue when the medium itself is facing extinction.



In other news today was the annual garage sale in my town. Not much of interest, but I managed to get a Zero Wing complete in excellent condition for 6€. From a reseller nonetheless, I don't think he understood what he had. He only had a couple of Megadrive and Master System games, the rest was mainly overpriced 6th gen games. And a 1m² panel filled with sunfaded Game Boy cartridges, that was really upsetting.
 

Gunsmithx

Member
pretty stoked, my scart cables came in and man is it an improvement over AV cables(though not as nice as a good RF box) also nice to have stereo now.
 
Sadly, you can't even rely upon looking for pinholes in the CD to tell if it's screwed. I tried playing a perfectly pristine copy of Final Fight on the Sega CD (dat redbook soundtrack) the other day and it failed to load no matter how I cleaned the lens and disc surface, unlike the other games I have, which loaded up first time and in sometimes worse condition.
 

BTails

Member
So I'm looking to start replacing some batteries in my old games, and I think I'm going to with buying clips and soldering them onto to the board, so that in case I get a bad battery, it's easier to replace.

Clips are cheap and plentiful on eBay (Thanks China!), but I'm not sure about how flat they have to be in various carts: I'm more worried about Genesis carts as they seem a bit more cramped than SNES or NES.

Do you think something this size would be okay for everything?

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I have definitely had a lot more problems with that with Sega CD games than anything else, yeah. The oddest ones are dead Gamecube games -- they don't show light from them, and don't seem to have irreparable scratches, but don't work either, and I have at least 4 games like this -- and Dreamcast games are also susceptible to damage, but for seeing light holes through the disc? Sega CD is the worst by far. It seems to be quite uncommon on other platforms, but I have like 3-6 SCD games like that...

Well, 13 of 59 checked Sega CD games had rot (2 remain unchecked).

I think only one is actually unplayable. The others have the rot outside of the data area, or hit an audio track which sucks but doesn't render the game unplayable.
I'm a bit bummed that my Shining Force CD got hit, but it hit a track not data. Game still works.

6 of 37 checked Saturn games had rot (8 remain unchecked)

Dark Savior isn't too bad to replace, I'm thinking both Mystaria and Panzer Dragoon Zwei are out of commission, and those are a bit more expensive. rot's close enough towards the center that data probably got hit. I don't recall if Panzer Dragoon 2 used redbook audio...Mystaria does, which is why there's still hope on that one. Also sad my Sega Rally got hit. I counted about 15 spots on this one. To be fair my current copy was a used copy that replaced my original that met a mishap.

Finally 3 of 26 checked Dreamcast games had rot (5 remain unchecked)

Sonic Adventure didn't surprise me, that game had a notoriously bad print run. At launch about 1 in 3 of those game discs didn't even work (I know...I went through 3 of them before I gave up and bought Soul Calibur instead...which still looks fine). The disc had about a dozen pin holes all over the place, so I'm pretty sure its out of commission.

The other two were Maken X and Bang! Gunship Elite. Haven't tested the games yet, and its a lot harder to eyeball the data area on GD-ROM discs, so these may still be playable.

Have not checked TG-16 or PS1 games yet, nor have I looked at anything newer.

I have checked everything i could get at (currently a lot of my media is in storage due to being in the middle of a double move). All in all, I'd prepared myself for the worst, and I did get hit with it, but it wasn't as bad as it could have been. Most of my expensive games are fine, and the ones that did get hit are probably still largely playable.
 

T_Exige

Member
The Mega Drive was my first console, must be like 25 years ago. It was the pack with Sonic 1, extra controller and Sonic t-shirt ^^

It had some amazing games, the ones I can remember:
Besides the known series there was Quackshot, Desert Strike, Maximum Carnage, Jewel Master, World of Illusion and one of my favourite games ever, Rocket Knight Adventures.
<- :)
 

lazygecko

Member
I've been struggling to give Ranger X another chance. Can someone tell me what the appeal is of this game? Besides the admittedly gorgeous and fluid presentation. I'm just not a fan of the mechanics in this game.
 
I've been struggling to give Ranger X another chance. Can someone tell me what the appeal is of this game? Besides the admittedly gorgeous and fluid presentation. I'm just not a fan of the mechanics in this game.

It's a bit overrated for its awesome tech and look, but the game is pretty clunky.
 

Sixfortyfive

He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
"Clunky" is the last word I'd use to describe Ranger-X. The physics and mechanics for that game are great.

I wonder why you have so many issues.

I've literally checked over my entire collection in the past year, backed up most of my stuff on CD/DVD to an HDD, and sold most of the rest, and I've never seen disc rot. The only games that have problems being read are the first few CD games I had and weren't taken proper care of.
 
I tried Tiny Toon Adventures: Buster's Hidden Treasure yesterday.

Fun little platformer, but I swear the controls have to be some of the most stiff I've seen. Buster's initial movement speed is incredibly slow and it takes a noticeably long time to get up to a run. In addition, jumping doesn't feel quite right, either, since while it has a nice, smooth arc if you hold the jump button, you drop to maximum fall speed the INSTANT you let go of it. Tapping the button gives you the most absurdly abrupt max-jump-speed-to-max-fall-speed hop imaginable.

The game's far from unplayable considering that, but it's still off-putting. I do think I'm gonna continue it, though. Like I'd said - in spite of the stiff controls on both axes, the game's still pretty enjoyable.
 
"Clunky" is the last word I'd use to describe Ranger-X. The physics and mechanics for that game are great.
Okay, disjointed feeling, at least, where it concerns the use of ship/mech and the motorcycle thing. It's been many years since I last really sat down and played it, but I remember not being exactly being smitten by its flow or lack of it. I'm talking about 1996 or later, years after I bought it originally. I still have that copy, so I guess that might be the first one to throw in later today or tomorrow and refresh my memory which might be tinged with a bit of disinterest after having been sold on the game from Gamefan's glowing review and getting four or so stages in to the area where there is some sort of tower or vertically-oriented scrolling or such.
 
"Clunky" is the last word I'd use to describe Ranger-X. The physics and mechanics for that game are great.


I wonder why you have so many issues.

I've literally checked over my entire collection in the past year, backed up most of my stuff on CD/DVD to an HDD, and sold most of the rest, and I've never seen disc rot. The only games that have problems being read are the first few CD games I had and weren't taken proper care of.

I don't recall if my copy of PD Zwei was purchased used, and I know Shining Force CD and Mystaria were new purchases (always owned by me and me alone). I always get comments when I trade games in how nice condition they are in.

Every other game that has rot was purchased used. All of them were playable when purchased, but had a measure of disc damage. Take that for what you will.
 
Ranger-X plays great! Are you trying to play it with a 3-button controller, or something? It really needs the 6-button pad...

Also, that's a crazy number of games with disc rot... I have a lot more games than that, but I don't know if I have as many with rot... not that I've noticed, anyway.
 
Old news to ya'll, but reading the Sega Genesis excerpt in Edge magazine was hilarious.

"Released in the US on June 23 - a full month before its launch in Japan - Sonic was a smash. Everyone understood this was something new an dimportant. "Sonic has thrown down the gauntlet to Mario in a big way, "C&VG wrote in its ecstatic review. "Everyone's favorite Italian plumber must be feeling just a little washed out."

Inspired, Kalinske went over to Sega of Japan and announced his plan to bundle Sonic with the Genesis, while reducing the price of the console to $149. The response was explosive. "The Japanese board thought I was nuts," says Kalinske. "They said, 'My God, we don't make any money on the hardware as it is. If we give away the best title, you're taking the software profit away, this is crazy!" But Nakayama remembers the ambition of Kalinske's proposition. "At that time, the software buying rate in the US was, on average, three games to one piece of hardware," he says. "But Sega of America believed that even if we sold the unite with Sonic under cost price, they could cover the loss and make a profit on future sales of software." It was the loss-leader philosophy taken to its very extreme.

The room descened into chaos. But Kalinske stuck to his guns: "The board members were all talking in Japanese. [Executive vice president of Sega of America, Shinobu] Toyoda was trying to translate for me as fast as he could, but he couldn't keep up with all the banter going on. And then Nakayama got up and kicked a chair over...He was angry that everyone else in the room was so negative at what I was proposing. At the end of the meeting, as Nakayama was walking out of the door, he turned and said to everybody, 'I don't care what any of you think; I hired this guy to make changes in the US. I promised him a free hand, so we're going along with him.' He was very clear. He might have been surprised at the things I wanted to do, but he wasn't angry at me. Nakayama overruled them all. And that was the end of the meeting."

The decision resulted in a huge boost in sales, with 15 million units of the Sonic bundle sold. The Genesis, with Sonic leading the charge, hand't just captured the teen market, it had captured the zeitgeist. The machine was speaking to a generation that had grown up with MTV, a generation raised on jump cuts and dislocated narratives. This was the era of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Garbage Pail Kids, of casual surreality and postmodern mania. For these kids, the Genesis was now an aspirational product that measured up to the teen generation's universal yardstick - it was cool.

-

Also, who is trashing Ranger-X!? One of the Genesis' finest titles
 

Fularu

Banned
Today's haul has been prety epic.

I went to a friend's house and came back home with :

- Gunstar Heroes (loose)
- Ristar (loose)
- PS2 (loose)
- PS3 (cib)
- PS4
- Alisia Dragoon (cib)
- Beyond Oasis (cib)
- Arcus Oddisey (loose)
- Alex Kidd And the Enchanted Castle (loose)
- Castelvania Bloodlines (cib, majesco version)
- Sword of Vermillion (cib)
- Chiki Chiki Boys (cib)
- Sparkester (cib)
- Landstalker (loose)
- The Lost Vikings (loose)

I can keep them as long as I want, but knowing the real value of that stuff, I'll take good care of it for him and give them back once I have my own copy of each of those games ;)
 

Gunsmithx

Member
Today's haul has been prety epic.

I went to a friend's house and came back home with :

- Gunstar Heroes (loose)
- Ristar (loose)
- PS2 (loose)
- PS3 (cib)
- PS4
- Alisia Dragoon (cib)
- Beyond Oasis (cib)
- Arcus Oddisey (loose)
- Alex Kidd And the Enchanted Castle (loose)
- Castelvania Bloodlines (cib, majesco version)
- Sword of Vermillion (cib)
- Chiki Chiki Boys (cib)
- Sparkester (cib)
- Landstalker (loose)
- The Lost Vikings (loose)

I can keep them as long as I want, but knowing the real value of that stuff, I'll take good care of it for him and give them back once I have my own copy of each of those games ;)

now is the time to move to mexico! he'll never find you there!
 

Teknoman

Member
I tried Tiny Toon Adventures: Buster's Hidden Treasure yesterday.

Fun little platformer, but I swear the controls have to be some of the most stiff I've seen. Buster's initial movement speed is incredibly slow and it takes a noticeably long time to get up to a run. In addition, jumping doesn't feel quite right, either, since while it has a nice, smooth arc if you hold the jump button, you drop to maximum fall speed the INSTANT you let go of it. Tapping the button gives you the most absurdly abrupt max-jump-speed-to-max-fall-speed hop imaginable.

The game's far from unplayable considering that, but it's still off-putting. I do think I'm gonna continue it, though. Like I'd said - in spite of the stiff controls on both axes, the game's still pretty enjoyable.

I just wish it had a better soundtrack. I get what they were going for, but its not like Konami cant make good cartoony music.
 

dodgeme

Member
This disk-rot stuff got me a bit intrigued, so I checked my valuable Sega CD games and am happy to report they are all fine. Honestly don't really care too much about the common stuff as I really don't play them.
 
Today's haul has been prety epic.

I went to a friend's house and came back home with :

- Gunstar Heroes (loose)
- Ristar (loose)
- PS2 (loose)
- PS3 (cib)
- PS4
- Alisia Dragoon (cib)
- Beyond Oasis (cib)
- Arcus Oddisey (loose)
- Alex Kidd And the Enchanted Castle (loose)
- Castelvania Bloodlines (cib, majesco version)
- Sword of Vermillion (cib)
- Chiki Chiki Boys (cib)
- Sparkester (cib)
- Landstalker (loose)
- The Lost Vikings (loose)

I can keep them as long as I want, but knowing the real value of that stuff, I'll take good care of it for him and give them back once I have my own copy of each of those games ;)

your friend sounds pretty savvy; that looks like an enthusiast's collection
 

Khaz

Member
The Space Adventure, got. At a ridiculous price, yet cheaper than usual.

One down, fifteen to go:
E Adventures of Batman & Robin, The
U Android Assault: The Revenge of Bari-Arm
E Dungeon Explorer
E Eternal Champions: Challenge from the Dark Side
U Flashback: The Quest for Identity
E Lords of Thunder
E Marko's Magic Football
E Misadventures of Flink, The
E Prince of Persia
E Road Avenger
E Robo Aleste
E Shining Force CD
E Snatcher
E Sol Feace / Cobra Command
E Time Gal

Everything is now ridiculously expensive, save for Road Avenger and maybe Prince of Persia. Some of them don't have stupid price in their US version like Batman & Robin and Flink, but in any case I will have to rob a bank or win at the lottery :(
 
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