Bar81
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Sega Genesis/MegaDrive Appreciation Thread: Alien Storm > Golden Axe
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thechristoph
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Bar81
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KDash31987
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I always thought it looked more like William Shatner.
Polioliolio
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Shatner with a sprinkle of Val Kilmer.
drhankmccoyphd
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I dunno, to me it looks a little more like Rockers era Shawn Michaels.
SeventhSon
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Rygar 8 Bit
Jaguar 64-bit
Polioliolio
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Val Kilmer?
Er.. yeah. And I knew that. Guess it's time for a nap. Sheesh.
edit: Just saw some Bruce Campbell in the Strider cover, but I doubt that's intentional.
Now is time to the 68000 heart on fire!!
Welcome to the first of hopefully many, NeoGAF weekly retro contests! Kicking things off with a bang, we're starting with one of the top notch shoot em ups for the system:
Thunder Force IV aka Lightening Force!
And now for the rules of the contest:
- All options are left at default settings (which is easy since the game drops you right into the action after start).
- The "order of attack" is as follows - Strite, Ruin, Daser, and then Air Raid. After that progression is determined automatically as usual.
- Single credit only, no continues! Play as far as possible until you die, then run the timer down and enter your initials (first 3 letters of your GAF name) on the high score ranking screen.
- While this screen is displayed, take a picture of the screen with your user name written and attached to your TV / Monitor / display of choice. Only an actual picture of the entire display and name attached, taken by a camera/phone/etc. will count. No emulator screenshots!
- Make sure to type your score in the post as well.
- You can post as many times as you want, but of course your highest score before the deadline will be the one that counts.
- No cheat devices, save states, or turbo controllers of any kind.
- The length of the contest will be from Saturday, 6/28 until Saturday 7/5 at 12am PST. You can post as many entries as you want during the contest, but of course, only the highest score you posted will count towards winning.
Well that was intense! I dunno who said Lightening Force was one of the easier of the series, but if you're rusty...whoo...some areas look impossible.
Teknoman: 677510
EDIT: I also need to get a username sheet thats abit more visible.
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Dammit man, I'm trying my best here but you set that bar high, hahaha.
Hyperstone Heist is a great game. Some people get really down on it because Turtles in Time is probably the better package overall, but it has some strengths, I think. It has extra frames of animation that Turtles in Time doesn't have, plus the run button, so I think it's actually the better playing game of the two.
KDash31987
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I think they're both great games, though I haven't played World of Illusion in a really long time.
Hyperstone Heist is solid in and of itself, but there are things that will always make it feel... less complete for me.
There's this one level in the sewer. In the SNES version (Turtles in Time), you do the level on a hoverboard. In Hyperstone, you just walk on the water.
That will always stand out in my mind as a factor in it being the lesser game. I loved the hoverboard levels as a child.
Tizoc
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It's so good in co-op. i recall in the first stage at least, there was a branch which you could crawl under.
Donald's butt was too big to let him fit through so he would need to jump over it!
I loved simple details like this.
Me and my bro could NEVER beat the final boss. Although for some reason I vaguely remember we managed to do it once before...
With TMNT, me and my bro had a pattern we always stuck to:
Raph+Don or Mike+Leo.
Dunno WHY we went with that combo when we played but we just did...
Agreed! I hate having to tap or hold to run in Turtles in Time. The only neg for me about Hyperstone is the music, but only because Turtles in Time is one of my favourite SNES games to listen to.
Uh, but Hyperstone Heist has a hoverboard level? It's just in the open ocean, not the sewer...
Huh! I totally forgot that it had one. I was thinking of this:
As a crappier version of this:
sixteen-bit
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I have played more Hyperstone than TiT. I'm only really familiar with the arcade TiT and from what I know it differs from the SNES port.
Gunstarheroes
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Hyperstone Heist felt different enough from Turtles In Time that i feel its worth playing both. Some levels like Alleycat Blues are almost identical, but then other stage in Hyperstone don't even exist in Turtles in Time, and vice versa.
Rygar 8 Bit
Jaguar 64-bit
nothing big for genesis just filling some holes and got beavis and butthead
A Black Falcon
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Yeah, it's different all right... on SNES you actually have hoverboards, instead of walking on water! Also the game is far better across the board. Konami just didn't put anywhere near the same amount of budget on most of its Genesis games, compared to their SNES games, and it shows... Rocket Knight Adventures and Contra: Hard Corps are the only Genesis Konami games I love. Hyperstone Heist is okay, but there are far better beat 'em ups out there... the level designs are way too bland, the game is short and disappointing in design, long levels with few boses (as usual in the lower-budget Genesis Konami games), etc. If you've played Turtles in Time, Hyperstone Heist is only really worth it if you find it cheap or REALLY want all the Turtles games.
Gunstarheroes
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Look, i wont disagree with that, but ZAMN and Bloodlines should absolutely be in the conversation about good Konami games. ZAMN has better music and doesn't have the black bar on the side for it, but still very solid and enjoyable. Bloodlines is the best Konami game on the system though.
sixteen-bit
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You have ZAMN backward. The Genesis version uses the extra resolution to post that black sidebar containing map and weapons (music argument can go either way, but anecdotally most people who talk about the game seem to prefer the SNES music).
thechristoph
Sir!
Absolutely stupid question incoming. I've only played ZAMN on the SNES. Does it feel cramped or compromised on the Genesis controller? Or does it have a 6-button mode?
sixteen-bit
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Well, it's nice... but it's no Super Aladdin Boy.
Gunstarheroes
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Yeah, i worded that weird, but what i meant was that people will say that the SNES version was better because of music and that it didn't have the black bar on the side. I personally prefer the black bar and having the info always be present, but i know many who don't. Just poor wording.
theSlacker
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I love the game but can't even get though it without losing a power a few times to dieing, so no, I don't think I will be real competitive.
It's the second best Turtles game ever made. That makes it worth something I think.
Shadow Hog
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I don't own the game, so no, I'm sitting this competition out.
A Black Falcon
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Yeah, no. Not even close. Among other things, why do people often seem to overlook TMNT III for the NES? It's an amazing game, easily the best home console Turtles game ever! The original arcade Turtles game is the best Turtles game, Turtles III is second, the second arcade game is third, SNES Turtles IV is fourth... not sure what'd be fifth. Maybe the Genesis game, or perhaps the third Game Boy game or second NES game instead...
ZAMN was first developed for SNES and you can tell -- the game is downgraded on Genesis. As long as you have 6-button controllers it's playable, but it doesn't look or play as well as it does on SNES.
Most people prefer the SNES graphics as well. I actually only have it on Genesis, but I've never been too impressed... though that's partially because of the gameplay, not only the visuals, and that's the same on either system. It's a good game, but not great... in my opinion at least. It doesn't help that I'm not too good at it and always run out of survivors.
ZAMN I've discussed -- it's a graphically downgraded SNES port of a game I think is only decent and do not love.
But as for Bloodlines... ugh, I don't think I'll ever understand why some Genesis fans defend that game so much! It's so incredibly subpar and disappointing compared to the previous two Castlevania games, Super Castlevania IV and Rondo of Blood. It's very obvious that Bloodlines was made on a budget, that's for sure. I've never thought much of Bloodlines, either in graphics or gameplay. It's okay, but that's the best I can say about it. The graphics aren't great; Contra Hard Corps looks a lot better. Lots of bland settings here, and not much in the way of nice graphical effects either, unlike SCIV or RoB. Also, the game has only six overlong levels, once again dragging out that stupid "too few too long levels" you see in many Konami games on the Genesis. And worst of all, the game is the only Castlevania game ever made with limited continues, which completely ruins the game as far as fun value is concerned; with overlong levels and hard bosses at the end, the continue limit is a real problem. As a result it's a much, much harder game than SCIV or RoB, and much less fun as well. Bloodlines isn't a particularly good game, overall. Maybe it's average at best. The game does have decent music, but it's nowhere near SCIV's level.
Konami's only great, top-quality efforts on the Genesis are Contra: Hard Corps and Rocket Knight Adventures. Those two games show what they could do on the system with good teams and good budgets, and they're really good games. Hard Corps I particularly love, and easily like more than the SNES Contra III (which I've never been a fan of, really). Unfortunately, the rest of the time Konami cheaped out on the Genesis. It's really too bad that they did so. (Genesis Sparkster is decent, better than some of the other Konami games, but it's clear that the SNES game got more attention, as usual...)
SeventhSon
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I have those games!
Well i'm still hoping someone else submits scores (doesnt really have to beat mine, could even have some runner up prizes or something), but yeah i'll go back to the drawing board on accessibility after this saturday.
KDash31987
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I tried playing Lightening Force the other day, but my scores were horrid. I couldn't get past the first section of the first level!
I'll keep trying, and I'll post whatever my highest score is before the competition ends.
I'll keep trying, and I'll post whatever my highest score is before the competition ends.
SeventhSon
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I also have Thunder Force III.
Morrigan Stark
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Goddamn, I disagree with every single thing A Black Falcon said about Bloodlines. Every single thing is offensively wrong as far as I'm concerned.
Wait, are you the Bloodlines hater from the Castlevania thread? GTFO this thread.
Wait, are you the Bloodlines hater from the Castlevania thread? GTFO this thread.
A Black Falcon
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Bloodlines only isn't the worst classic Castlevania game because Castlevania II exists... maybe also Castlevania: The Adventure, but I've had more fun with that one than Bloodlines for sure, so yeah.
Regardless of opinion though, it is a definitely obvious fact that Bloodlines clearly did not have anywhere near as much budget or attention as SCIV or RoB did, and it shows in many ways.
I don't think I've posted there before? Or at least not recently enough to remember.Wait, are you the Bloodlines hater from the Castlevania thread? GTFO this thread.
Morrigan Stark
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I dunno, I recall some guy who had an irrational hatred of Bloodlines at some point, but I can't remember in which thread so I assumed it was the CV thread. Anyway, Bloodlines is awesome in just about every aspect, it is known!
I have TMNT III. It's good, but it's just not as good as Hyperstone Heist.
Arcade versions all suffer from quarter munching syndrome. They're fun, but they aren't balanced.
I think a big part of the reason is just because it came out so late in the system's life that most people don't have fond memories of it.
I agree though, an amazing game.