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[Ironclad]

I more or less agree with Mr. Furious' post. The handheld market is growing in it's demographic, put the content is mainly geared towards the younger audience, and the "casual" crowd tends to shy away from some of the masterpiece's on the GBA.

 

[ypo]

1. Only plays Genesis games. No game was made for the thing exclusively.
2. Powered by 6 AA batteries.
3. Was never released in Europe and Japan.
4. Was made by Sega.

In conclusion, DS sucks PSP rules!!!

 

[paul777]

If you didn't notice I actually answered this in a reply to someone else's post. Yes, kids probably dominate the portable market today BUT mainly due of a lack of content catering to other demographics.

Ah, I see. So, judging by your first post in this thread, you would say that the content provided by the Sega Nomad catered to other demographics? If so, why did it fail to capture that elusive 'other' audience that is supposedly just waiting on content that caters to them to get in on some portable action?

 

[Drinky Crow]

1) 2-3 hours on 6 AA batteries.

2) Shitty, blurry-ass screen.

3) Didn't do anything BUT play Genny games, of which many were unplayable thanks to both 1) and 2).

4) Huge and heavy. It was only marginally portable. Ugly as sin, too.

5) Made and (under)marketed by Sega.


The PSP:

1) 4 to 6 hours, with rechargable batteries.

2) Awesome, non blurry-ass screen.

3) Plays PSP-specific games; has wireless and MP3 functionality.

4) Not huge, not heavy, and super sexy.

5) Made and marketed by Sony, who's already quashed Nintendo in the console arena -- TWICE.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

1) 2 hours on 6 AA batteries.

2) Shitty, blurry-ass screen.

3) Didn't do anything BUT play Genny games, of which many were unplayable thanks to both 1) and 2).

4) Huge and heavy. It was only marginally portable. Ugly as sin, too.

5) Made and (under)marketed by Sega.


The PSP:

1) 4 to 6 hours, with rechargable batteries.

2) Awesome, non blurry-ass screen.

3) Plays PSP-specific games; has wireless and MP3 functionality.

4) Not huge, not heavy, and super sexy.

5) Made and marketed by Sony, who's already quashed Nintendo in the console arena -- TWICE.

:lol

you rule

 

[soundwave05]

I think we should wait and see on the PSP's battery life.

It sounds like it doesn't take a whole lot to push the battery under 4 hours, lets see what types of battery time people get from the Japanese launch.

I'm kinda fearful that it could be a situation like with the i-Pod where you get lower battery if you encode your music at a higher bitrate.

 

[Ironclad]

Very interesting

 

[border]

Was it really only $170? I checked some Sega history articles, but couldn't come up with much of anything. How much is $170 in 2004 dollars?

 

[BobbyRobby]

You can plug a genesis controller into the NOMAD for two-player action. That is cool. I still want to sell the one I have though.

More seriously, back in the days Sega was releasing more hardware than software.

Remember:

BTW, the nomad never did more than a few lines on some videogame magazines, around here, for the record.

Where is the X'EYE?

Its very sad that my ratio of systems that can play Genesis games to actual Genesis games in 1:2.

 

[Miburou]

Was it really only $170? I checked some Sega history articles, but couldn't come up with much of anything. How much is $170 in 2004 dollars?

"What cost $170 in 1995 would cost $201.32 in 2003."

 

[BobbyRobby]

Sure, but video games costed up to $90 back then.

 

[vysez]

I think we should wait and see on the PSP's battery life.

It sounds like it doesn't take a whole lot to push the battery under 4 hours, lets see what types of battery time people get from the Japanese launch.

AFAIK, SCE is "forcing" the developers to design their games in order to have at least around 4H of battery life, or else the games are not approved. Especially the launch games.
Even if there's no such thing as bad publicity, Sony must prefer avoid the "OH TEH NOES IT PLYS GMAES FOR ONLY 40MISN!1LOL!" kind of publicity.

 

[Defensor]

Wait... the cartridge didn't go all the way into the nomad and stuck out like in that pic?

 

[BobbyRobby]

Wait... the cartridge didn't go all the way into the nomad and stuck out like in that pic?

Yes.

 

[Mr_Furious]

Ah, I see. So, judging by your first post in this thread, you would say that the content provided by the Sega Nomad catered to other demographics? If so, why did it fail to capture that elusive 'other' audience that is supposedly just waiting on content that caters to them to get in on some portable action?

*sigh*

Back in 1995.... the portable market was greatly dominated by kids and the parents that spent their money on systems for them. It's a totally different market now which is why Nintendo's losing ground on the home front and will soon see viable competition on the portable front.[/brokenrecord]

When I speak about the market, it's as a whole (which I already stated), I already admitted that the portable market was dominated by kids back then but so was the home market. The market has matured and I firmly believe the portable market wants to as well. Sure there'll be a very solid and profitable kids market (I never stated otherwise). What I am saying is it is the home market and a growing interest in the portable market that is craving the content that the PSP will be able to provide (for the retards: "MORE ADULTS WILL BUY THE PSP BECAUSE IT'LL HAVE MORE CONTENT CATERING TO WHAT THEY LIKE"). Nintendo 'owns' the kids market but that's not a threat to the PSP.

Are you purposely ignoring certain things I say in a feable attempt to prove a point or are you just trying to piss me off?

 

[Mr_Furious]

5) Made and marketed by Sony, who's already quashed Nintendo in the console arena -- TWICE.

And Sega -- TWICE

 

[Defensor]

Yes.

*Cancels ebay bid*

 

[bjork]

Nomad was too heavy? I smell weaksauce...

 

[Warm Machine]

Look at the Nomad box...for some reason the dpad is on an angle. I bought my Nomad in 97 for $99 cdn. Battery life is about 4 hours if you are lucky. The screen is a wash of blur when anything moves. It is also huge and about as portable as a gamecube.

Basically it isn't worth owning.

 

[Agent X]

Oh, man, I can't believe so many people here are bagging on the Nomad. It's my preferred method of playing Genesis games now. I can carry it around to any room in the house, lie down on the couch or in bed, plug in the AC adapter, and play Genesis. I can even hook it up to the TV if I don't feel like looking at the little LCD screen. It's great!

Keep in mind that I never take the thing out of my house. In the nearly seven years I've owned it, I've tried using batteries in it twice--maybe three times--for about 15-20 minutes total. Apart from that, I always have it connected to AC when I play. It's bulky and sucks up battery power, so it's not exactly great for taking outside--but as a "within the house" portable, it does the job nicely.

 

[Lemurnator]

I had one. My brother destroyed it by trying to make a powersuply for it.

 

[Lemurnator]

We lost the battery back thing that came with it and it sucked batteries worse than GameGear. He tried to take an adapter to his keyboard and cut the wire and make it contact the systems battery contacts... yeah...

They're worth a lot now I hear.

 

[paul777]

Are you purposely ignoring certain things I say in a feable attempt to prove a point or are you just trying to piss me off?

Just looking for clarification, that's all.

 

[bjork]

So nobody wants to buy a Nomad and the battery pack, both in their boxes, I take it?

 

[Defensor]

So nobody wants to buy a Nomad and the battery pack, both in their boxes, I take it?

you selling?

 

[CoryCubed]

I still have my nomad but I lost the battery cover. If anyone has that I would glady buy it for $5 plus shipping.

 

[FortNinety]

I'm a proud former owner of a Nomad. I got it the first month when I was in college since I had no friends. I got a special deal for the system and Mega Man: Wily Wars. I had so much fun playing that game (fuck Mega Man Anniversary Collection, Wily Wars is 1,000% better), plus Sonic 1 and Gunstar Heroes. But I really needed money for food, so I had to sell the thing.

 

[Date of Lies]

none of these were made by sony, thats about all that needs to be said.

Of course it's not made by Sony, it's a quality product.

 

[RevenantKioku]

5) Made and marketed by Sony, who's already quashed Nintendo in the console arena -- TWICE.

*cough*

But hey, you're supposed to be the fucking genius or something.

 

[NLB2]

Wow, so many people that are insecure in their belief in the PSP. Am I right, Drinky Crow?

 

[BlackClouds]

Looking on Ebay, you can get 70-180$ for the nomad, depending on the situation, not bad. Seems it's somewhat of a collector's item. I still own one, but haven't played it for a few years. I had it during my freshman year of college, and since they had outlets nearly everywhere, I just used them, and rarely the batteries. Played NBA Live '95 and Gunstar Heroes to death on that thing. Besides that, I can think of no other places where I'd play the system outside of the house, or the car (which uses a power adapter there). Portability is overrated for anybody older than let's say, 15? Yep.

As for the PSP, I suspect it's going to bomb pretty hard. It has to sustain it's own games which means it has to sell very well to keep 3rd parties on board. Any graphical advantages are moot, basically devs are forced to make N64 level game to save power. The DS has a few million Nintendo diehards that will buy the system at launch, third parties will be jumping over themselves to make games for it (if the cartridge prices are better that is).

When the DS destroys the psp, I'll do nothing but laugh. There is no adult market yet, DS is cheap enough to still sell to parents and children.

 

[FightyF]

Although the screen only supported 64 colors, it was still amazing for 1995.

Hmm...well considering that some Genesis games did more (like Sonic and Knuckles for example), plus it had a TV adapter, I think you may be wrong. But I've never touched one so I can't say it with certainty.

 

[Panajev2001a]

As for the PSP, I suspect it's going to bomb pretty hard. It has to sustain it's own games which means it has to sell very well to keep 3rd parties on board. Any graphical advantages are moot, basically devs are forced to make N64 level game to save power.

vs

 

[Chittagong]

That's actually one of the more pretty screenshots of RR DS. Post the one with the bushes.

 

[BlackClouds]

Then again, system power has never won the handeld races....price, games, battery power and portability are more important. Sony has a ways to go to change that paradigm in the handheld market.

 

[Panajev2001a]

price, games, battery power and portability are more important

Price: $199

Battery life: ~4 to ~6 hours and the battery is easily replaceable with a spare one as it is not built-in, but it is detachable.

Games: GT4, MGS Ac!d, Lumines, Ridge Racers, Vampire Chronicles, Wipeout PSP, etc...

Portability: nice carrying case, very sexy design, low weight.



I'd say the PSP has these areas covered .

 

[Panajev2001a]

That's actually one of the more pretty screenshots of RR DS. Post the one with the bushes.

Is this the image you were referring to ?

 

[Chittagong]

Is this the image you were referring to ?

:lol yep!

 

[Mrbob]

Is this the image you were referring to ?

Yuck! -__-

 

[CurlySaysX]

Success of the PSP is inevitable.

 

[Naked Snake]

Wow I didn't know Ridge Racer PSP looked so good.

 

[nubbe]

They look the same... oh the drama

 

[RMX]

Success of the PSP is inevitable.

Look at the last DS videos and impressions on IGN and you'll understand that DS success IS INEVITABLE...

 

[Panajev2001a]

Look at the last DS videos and impressions on IGN and you'll understand that DS success IS INEVITABLE...

Think... think and you'll see that the potable gaming market is likely expanding in size and widening in demographics.

 

[levious]

Where is the X'EYE?

Its very sad that my ratio of systems that can play Genesis games to actual Genesis games in 1:2.

X Eye was made by JVC, I always wanted one, but then I bought a CDX a few years back.

Nomad was and still is great... the screen is second only to the Turbo Express. I expect PSP will set a new standard though.

Genesis III was 30 bucks, but did not come out in 1995.

 

[Culex]

Hmm...well considering that some Genesis games did more (like Sonic and Knuckles for example), plus it had a TV adapter, I think you may be wrong. But I've never touched one so I can't say it with certainty.

Nope, only 64 simultaneous colors. If you compare, you can tell the Nomad picks the closest color to what it would have been, or interpolates.

 

[sprsk]

how is having to buy specific games a plus?

 

[mrklaw]

Nomad

3) Didn't do anything BUT play Genny games

The PSP:

3) Plays PSP-specific games; has wireless and MP3 functionality.

How is playing PSP-specific games a plus? I'd have been much happier if it had played PS2 games (existing userbase). - DVD physical size not withstanding.

edit: Try reading the last post :/

 

[Miburou]

Because it means brand new games you can't play anywhere else instead of existing games that you can play on your PS2.

I'm buying a PSP mainly for Ridge Racers and Metal Gear AC!D. But if those were available on PS2, I wouldn't buy one, at least not now, not at this price.

 

[kaching]

Sega Genesis Nomad

Launched 1995 - 5 years after the Genesis
Originally priced $170
Played Genesis games
- most advanced portable games quality back in the day
- great publisher backing + back catalog
Battery-life in practice 1.5 - 4h
Batterypack available at launch
Multipurpose - TV tuner available

Hmmmm.... HMMMMM..

Heh, this brought me back. Amazing how far we've come in about 10 years. It's like comparing cars of the 50s to contemporary ones. The former were built like tanks and guzzled gas like there was an infinite supply. Same with "portable" electronics from back around '95. I still remember the Zenith laptop I had for school - the battery alone weighed more than my Thinkpad of today. Apple Newton...more like carrying around a tablet PC than a PDA. Heh, good times...