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Senate votes to override Obama's veto of 9/11 Saudi Arabia lawsuits
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Oh no, not that.
Voting against this bill is basically death for any closely contested house seat. That is probably the whole point of it. Dems voting against it opens commercials talking about how they are on the side of SA instead of US families.
Couldn't tell you, there isn't much of an avenue to do that right now. That's why this is happening right now. Worst case is foreign relations turn into a kleptocracy.
gutter_trash
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didn't Bush say that we must go after countries that harbor and sponsor terror?
well, SA is the king of exporting terror
It's a pretty smart political move by Congress. Think about it-- they're ultimately throwing something into the election that Trump has absolutely no problem running on, but it's forcing Hillary to choose between destroying diplomatic alliances publically or not being on the side of justice for 9/11. I'd be shocked if they actually want families to sue Saudi Arabia. They just want to make Hillary talk about it.
I'm actually pretty shocked that the GOP was able to pull such a solid piece of political bullshit off at this stage of the game.
I mean, it'll ultimately blow up in their face, since anyone who voted for it will just get wrecked by it when they run against Hillary in 4 years, but still. Pretty good as far as hail Mary's go.
I'm actually pretty shocked that the GOP was able to pull such a solid piece of political bullshit off at this stage of the game.
I mean, it'll ultimately blow up in their face, since anyone who voted for it will just get wrecked by it when they run against Hillary in 4 years, but still. Pretty good as far as hail Mary's go.
Well maybe that's the silver lining.
We'll finally have a profit motive to stop killing innocent people.
QuantumBro
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Blame campaign ads on this. No one wants to see their face in an ad about them being against 9-11 victims especially if it's going to pass anyway. It's shortsighted, but this bill is not going to directly impact lawmakers, so why would they care.
People confused about how the veto override works should read some basic information about how the US government functions before they post.
People confused about how the veto override works should read some basic information about how the US government functions before they post.
Bonen no Max'd
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Right, I get that but House seats are typically safer than Senate seats and since the Senate majority is astronomical, I was curious if the House majority is barely 2/3rds and if a few congressmen with courage could salvage this.
Friendly reminder, people, to go out and vote for more than just presidential elections.
There is a whole 'nother branch of government you have a voice in.
mrhyderager
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The bigger "so let me get this straight" is:
Congress has sat on their ass for the last year and accomplished literally nothing of worth.
But can come together with overwhelming majority to let some assholes sue.
Lil'DigiOp
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US has been kissing Saudi's ass for a while.. why tax them now?
We've been fucking with them for years, why crack down now?
We've been fucking with them for years, why crack down now?
Except it potentially opens the door for foreign nations to seize US assets in retaliation for literally anything if it passes. The precedent is chilling.
AnathemicOne
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Someone explain to me, how the fuck are US citizens going to sue another country across the ocean?
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I agree with you but in this case what difference would it make? Democrats are supporting this en masse.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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This is one of the few things this terrible congress can actually fucking cooperate on.
Please remember to vote in local elections, no more excuses!
Please remember to vote in local elections, no more excuses!
mrhyderager
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What dipshit Process Server is gonna try to deliver THAT summons hahahaha
QuantumBro
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So I should vote for the Republican opponent of any Democrat running and the Democratic opponent of any Republican running???
DontBeThatGuy
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This is weird as fuck.
Ziltoidia 9
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So someone explain to me why the dems in the senate also voted to override the veto?
The republicans already have 234 so they only need 45 Dems to join them. Voting against these families is going to be extremely poisonous so if the Dems stand up for what should be done they will lose more seats. This is pure political maneuvering teh Repubs don't give a fuck about the people.
They aren't they are going to sue them in the US and seize their assets here. SA is unique in that the monarchy has assets in the US that can be recovered since they are technically the government of SA. Anyone trying this against the US will find it very difficult since the government handles their assets differently such as leasing military bases instead of owning them. The true problem is that these countries will start collecting from US companies/US citizens to recover their lost assets. It ignores the whole point of international courts and diplomacy.
womfalcs3
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If the president's veto can be overridden, he or she isn't really powerful.
No country has committed as bad of a terrorist act than the US with 250,000 dead civilians in the nuclear strikes of Japan...
BlazinSkatinAxel
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Obama should appoint a Justice when Congress is on recess.
That was an act of war. Does it suck that we did it? Yup. Did it prevent that number from being in the millions as it would have been with a land invasion of Japan? Yup.
War was formally declared, so it's technically an act of war. Just FYI.
That's not an act or terrorism it was an act of war. Also we did worse then that with the fire bombing campaigns against the axis powers.
Yep the house and senate are supposed to support the interests of the US even if it is against the interests of a few citizens. Putting in measures to support these families and help them go through the international courts should be what they should focus on.
HP_Wuvcraft
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I just think the entire premise of this bill is horrifying:
"Hey, a lot of people died in a horrible terrorist attack! Let's sue another country!"
"Hey, a lot of people died in a horrible terrorist attack! Let's sue another country!"
Raven117
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This is the right way to think about this.
Not just from an enforcement standpoint, but from a truly implementation standpoint.
Yeah, okay, so the U.S. says you can sue. Saudi Arabia is an independent country, with its own Sovereign Immunity protections. You can't just file a lawsuit and send over a courier to Saudi Arabia with a summons to give to the royal family, have them show up in Court, abide by discovery . . .etc. you get my point.
Even if you could (you can't), the pockets of Saudi would put an army of lawyers between them and the plaintiffs.
It just ain't going to happen.
It's not about voting just down party lines or not. It's about electing the right people IN that party for the job as well, no matter what party they represent.
Technosteve
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Usa usa usa usa
No it would happen if this passes. The Saudi's may have huge pockets but the families will have an army of lawyers working on commission because a win would be one of the biggest paydays in history. Also any action would involve their US assets getting locked down to avoid them removing them from US interests. If this goes through SA will probably lose the case and the assets.
Oh they care they have a lot of money invested in the US that could be taken. You keep forgetting that SA is the monarchy so any assets the family has in the US can be seized. Just think about all the stories of the princes with garages full of Lambos and huge estates.
Choosing to override this particular bill is whats stupid not the ability to override a veto.
Mental Atrophy
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Why is overriding a veto stupid? President Obama isn't a dictator.
And then the door is opened for this to happen the other way.
Goro Majima
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97-1?
Yeah I'm skeptical that voting better would have any impact on that. That's such an overwhelming majority that I think anyone you vote for is going along with that unless they specifically campaign on not suing Saudi Arabia. No constituency is actually going to make that a wedge issue however.
9/11 is just one of those things that garners overwhelming bipartisan support whether it's rational or not.
Yeah I'm skeptical that voting better would have any impact on that. That's such an overwhelming majority that I think anyone you vote for is going along with that unless they specifically campaign on not suing Saudi Arabia. No constituency is actually going to make that a wedge issue however.
9/11 is just one of those things that garners overwhelming bipartisan support whether it's rational or not.
Yes except the US government doesn't store their assets in the countries that would do this against us. Their would be nothing for them to recover.
It's more that voting against it is political death for most candidates. Having a commercial and record that says you are against 9/11 families is the end of your run. That is why it has bipartisan support.
Lazy vs Crazy
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Who were the two that did not vote?
Tim Kaine and Bernie Sanders.
LegendofLex
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Bernie and Tim Kaine.
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