JustSomeone
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Good.
I don't have a bit of respect for Obama,but this veto was a new low even for him.
I don't have a bit of respect for Obama,but this veto was a new low even for him.
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Senate votes to override Obama's veto of 9/11 Saudi Arabia lawsuits
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ClayKavalier
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Do you think the president should have the power to veto something that has essentially unanimous support in Congress? I guess the president is "weaker" when it comes to stopping legislation from being passed but 2/3 majority of Congress is usually quite a feat, it's not like the president vetoing something is meaningless.
The Living Tribunal
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A new low? Care to elaborate?
Remember that time Congress had to be publicly shamed to provide healthcare to 9/11 first responders?
Samurai G0SU
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So this will allow people to sue the government of SA? ... do they even have to answer back? This is a bit confusing to me on how this would actually work.
Mammoth Jones
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This is what it comes down to.
But voting not to pay for health care for 1st responder is okay?
TheRealTalker
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welp they did it
this will be interesting
this will be interesting
ClayKavalier
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TheRealTalker
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already this (#قانون_جاستا
is trending on twitter
and if you type in Jasta even more people from around the world are discussing about suing the US
from Vietnam to Latin America to Eastern Europe to the ME... a bunch of suing possibilities will arise
is trending on twitter and if you type in Jasta even more people from around the world are discussing about suing the US
from Vietnam to Latin America to Eastern Europe to the ME... a bunch of suing possibilities will arise
already this (#قانون_جاستا
and if you type in Jasta even more people from around the world are discussing about suing the US
This is what I'm wondering about tho. Can someone sue the us in us court and get a compensation as well? if not then that's surely won't encourage more hate against the us in the world.
Ampersands
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I'd really like to see this. Would probably bring the many US caused casualties to the public eye. Come to think of it, that was probably the main reason Obama vetoed it. Gotta preserve that legacy.
Frozenprince
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Can I sue the House and Senate for taking my tax dollars as a salary and then sitting out multiple sessions while supposed to be on the job?
I mean it's infinitely less stupid than this.
I mean it's infinitely less stupid than this.
djplaeskool
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This goes way beyond just Obama.
The fact that this was about 9/11 means any statute of limitations is kind of out of the window too. As I said before, there are so many variables introduced with this legislation, and decades of American misadventures...
RustyNails
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We're fucked now. Great going, geniuses.
Copy! Thanks.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Y'all are being short-sighted.
This opens the doors for a legal challenge for reparations.
This opens the doors for a legal challenge for reparations.
ClayKavalier
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Russia and China will sue us for our actvities involving the cyber. And I guess we'll sue back? Still not sure what any of this means though, will everyone just ignore the lawsuits?
His Majesty
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Democrats are in support of this as well?
Tranqueris
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I think it might be more than this. If congress actually held 9/11 related victims in such high regard they wouldn't have tried to fuck over first responders who needed money for their medical bills.
97-1 override, goddamn. Anyway hard not to be cynical about election season votes, but voters and politicians alike think SA has a lot to answer for 9/11. If they are a sponsor of such terrorism then they should be held accountable just like Americans are already suing Syria, Iran, and Sudan for other acts of terror.
Sure there's the whataboutism card, but let it play out in the courts. Personally I want us to get the hell out of dodge and this is a step towards that.
Sure there's the whataboutism card, but let it play out in the courts. Personally I want us to get the hell out of dodge and this is a step towards that.
Imagine how broken the political system is when Americans want four more years for the guy who protects the Saudi scum, is trying to impose TPP and never prosecuted a single banker after what they did to the country.
Good.
davepoobond
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i suppose if obama does an executive order to stop it from happening, the families sue the obama admin to let them, then it goes to the supreme court
Since Trump started going on about during the primary.
They're in support of not giving the GOP easy ammo right before an election. The attack ads write themselves.
"Senator/Representative so-and-so doesn't support the families of 9/11 victims."
Not to downplay the atrocity that was slavery, but I don't think it falls under the definition of terrorism.
Haha, of course. Shitty feel good bill few want passed, get passed anyhow cause no one wants this shit on their record.
In case anyone is wondering, shit like this is why the war Afghanistan passed so easily, the war in Iraq passed at all, and the patriot acted keeps getting renewed.
Never mind that the entire Washington foreign policy establishment is built around catering to "the Saudi scum," the big picture reason for being opposed to this is that it opens the floodgates for thousands of foreign nationals to sue the U.S. government for their civilian casualties incurred.
Which, morally, isn't a bad thing, but financially could be some fuckery. Although logistically, who knows if or how that kind of litigation would even play out.
All of which is to say is, Obama's veto does not mean he hates 9/11 victims.
As far as I understand there are no lawsuits pending as stated in OP, I see in the article that some of the families have put pressure on this, but are they really willing to go through all the effort to put a case against a country?
My only hope is that if this does backfire, it backfires in all the right ways in regards to US actions like drone strikes and spying. But this might just be wishful thinking.
The article you linked is talking about lynching, which to my understanding were extrajudicial, therefore not state sponsored.
So I don't know if suing for reparations would hold up in court.
lol
Ryzaki009
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Wouldn't we all end up getting something like 3.50. That's like a sandwich right?
Frozenprince
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So I can sue the Federal Government for the deposition of King Kamehameha and Queen Liliʻuokalani right?
I mean if I can get me some money for historical injustice and all.
I mean if I can get me some money for historical injustice and all.
gutter_trash
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I am
Now add to that Trump as a president.
The Librarian
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checks and balances are shit
our system of government is shit
parliamentary system please
If the US government can give banks $700 billion for the banks' own fuckups, they can at least match that.
Oh the government gonna cough up money for the lynchings too but the panel does mention slavery as well. You could easily argue slavery was a form of terrorism due to the public hangings, whippings, or any number of factors.
I'm ok with this. SA can get fucked.
Not sure what's so bad about the US getting sued for shitty things they do overseas. Also, wasn't Iran successfully sued by Americans in the past? Why would this open a can of worms when that didn't?
Not sure what's so bad about the US getting sued for shitty things they do overseas. Also, wasn't Iran successfully sued by Americans in the past? Why would this open a can of worms when that didn't?
Except checks and balances aren't shit, they prevent abuse.
n00bsauce87
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Would it work as simply as a counter sue?
Of course it wouldn't be litigated in American courtrooms because conflict of interest. Right?
Would Americans be able to handle the fact that another international jurisdiction would hold the outcome of any litigation? I doubt it tbh.
I had another question. Stupid short term memory.
Well racial injustice in the United States amounted to more than just lynching. And the United States definitely approved of slavery.
True.
The case would probably end up as a class action and at best everyone descended from slaves would get 10 bucks.
But who knows in this crazy new world where we can sue other countries.
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