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September Wrasslin |OT| The one night a year when every table will be on the line
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blackaroni
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Frecklestein
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[Homophobia Intensifies]
Guys can do it. the Bucks, Colt Cabana, AJ Styles. Itsfucking tough but if you are trying to be a performer it might be the thing to do. I mean how many times should Cody Rhodes get a chance when you have a roster coming up with Zayns, Owens, Balor, and countless more new people.
Maybe going to a different location gives you a new and unique skill like say Harper. Harper because of his work in Mexico could probably get a good match from anyone on the roster. Can Swagger say that? Can Bo Dallas say that?
I think its different for guys going to WWE vs guys in WWE that are there for a long time and just blend in. I remember hearing a Daniel Bryan say that guys would show up to main event and superstars and pray to just get their check and not work.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
It's GFW. Jeff "Broke 12 million guitars, couldn't draw a crowd" Jarrett didn't come up with an MSPaint logo in 5 seconds for alts to misspell it.
Frecklestein
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Luke Harper is probably the most misused guy on the main roster right now.
Jimmy King
Member
He had no clue being a singles guy. Hard, hard truth.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
He got swamped with the worst IC reign in years and they took away his rad music for a Wyatt reunion nobody wanted. Not his fault
Jimmy King
Member
His music really was great. Not RTC great, but great.
Bret is a Niners fan?!
brisk tacos
Banned
Did the Bucks and AJ work for WWE, leave, and define their value? No. They did not. Cabana makes significantly more money from his podcast and deals with One Hour Tees than he does from wrestling. Dudes like Cody Rhodes and Justin Gabriel leaving WWE to work indies isn't going to do shit for them. Do you think Drew McIntrye's value in the eyes of WWE has been raised by his time in TNA and Euro indies?
Frecklestein
Banned
The worst in years is probably a stretch considering Bryan and Ryback's.
Jimmy King
Member
That's really unfair to put Ryback in the company of Daniel "vacate" Bryan
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Bryan's lasted weeks with two singles matches (one he won, another he lost by countout because of concussion) and gave it up due to injury
Ryback got staph infection, but months later still has it and has also beat people
Harper had it for a month, and never won a match while holding it, before losing it back to the guy he won it from
slightconfuse
Banned
or any IC title reign in past 5-6 years
real_slime
Banned
It's really hard to tell but I've always thought Luke is good in the ring. Didn't they align him with the authority and give him no worthwhile feuds or matches? Maybe that's the truth.
slightconfuse
Banned
if WWE was run by smart people drew's value would be rasied. but they probalby still see him as a jobber
Frecklestein
Banned
Probably the last time it really meant much of anything;
I can't believe he's a 5 time IC champ. I don't remember any of it.
I can't believe he's a 5 time IC champ. I don't remember any of it.
I think hes good in the ring, yeah, but his character was terrible. You can say his booking is bad, yeah, but everyone's booking is bad and you still have to find a way to get over. He was just same wyatt character without the wyatt family, okay then. He got high profile feuds and time to show himself off that most of the roster would kill for, and failed.
It honestly takes a lot to admit that because I root for the guy
slightconfuse
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Probably the last time it really meant much of anything;
Go ole Vacated. should be in the HOF
brisk tacos
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well, how would it have raised his value? They knew he could wrestle. The gimmick and promos he's come up with is fucking terrible. Wow, he can make indie fans get heated. They have a lot of guys on the roster that can do that. What sets him apart? What would have raised his value for WWE?
slightconfuse
Banned
the fact htat he is etter than slumming it with 3MB. everything ibv seen on the indies, meakes me think wwe missed the boat. dude would be great in NXT.
I agree. Clean shaven, haircut, suited up Luke Harper wrecking fools for the Authority would have been great.
As it stands, I have a feeling he's headed for the "feuding with Bray for control of the family" storyline.
Bray will be standing behind Samwell Tarley Wyatt and telling him to "punish" Harper because "sister Abigail told me about your betrayal. She told me all great men get stabbed in the back by treasonous snakes and that my destiny is to break that serpent under the heel of my boot." Then Samwell slowly turns and attacks Bray instead.
Cue Harper doing the Bray Wyatt "follow the buzzards" pose as they fade to commercial.
Frecklestein
Banned
Daniel Bryan vacated three titles over a year and a half.
The most title vacations;
3 Vacated titles: Bryan, Tiger Mask, Jeff Jarrett, Bret Hart, Edge.
4 VT: Sting, HBK, Stone Cold,.
5 VT: Scott Hall
annnnnd with the most vacated titles isssssssssssssssss
Ric Flair with 6.
The most title vacations;
3 Vacated titles: Bryan, Tiger Mask, Jeff Jarrett, Bret Hart, Edge.
4 VT: Sting, HBK, Stone Cold,.
5 VT: Scott Hall
annnnnd with the most vacated titles isssssssssssssssss
Ric Flair with 6.
Jimmy King
Member
Will Jon Stewart run in to stop Bryan from winning another title so he doesn't get close to Flair's vacating record?
CJ parker
Scotty Goldman
Derrick Bateman
Kassius Ohno
AJ and the Bucks were offered NXT deals and turned them down since they could make more with NJPW/ROH and indies.
They left and managed to find a spot and a living. They evolved their characters and got better as performers outside of the WWE system. Outside of the political structure of WWE and Vince's physical preference each of these guys could probably get rehired.
If Cody Runnels is fired who gets him? What is his value other than the son of Dusty and a solid worker?
If Cody wants to be an agent or a coach then by all means continue to make bank there but I don't see how he evolves the Stardust character or changes himself up again. He isn't Sandow in that way. Sandow took a shit idea and turned it to gold and even Sandow went to Puerto Rico and learned a ton down there.
He's one of those guys that everyone says the WWE needs to keep because he is so talented but at the same time they have nothing for him. And creative isn't changing anytime soon.
Sure some guys you can see the ceiling on them if they don't have the companies good graces.
Heath Slater will probably never main event money and ever get a higher spot than comedy jobber but that's what he is and he is good at it.
Bubba(Bully)Ray evolved and changed for the better from getting out of the WWE and maybe that's what somebody like a lifelong employee like Cody needs.
slightconfuse
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Problem is once wwe has an opinion of you, you are fucked. Bully Ray was amazing in TNA but in wwe he back to good ole bubba.(granted we might get bully at some point).
Frecklestein
Banned
lol google image "vacated title wwe"
I just hope that Cena's win is as memorable as Flair's 16th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ni7gVHSA78
Also a damn shame that we never got to see Flair with the WWE title again. Would have been cool if Hogan dropped it to him in 2002 instead of taker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ni7gVHSA78
Also a damn shame that we never got to see Flair with the WWE title again. Would have been cool if Hogan dropped it to him in 2002 instead of taker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8RCD2KAbX4&feature=youtu.be
That ending worked me into a shoot, friends ;_;
That ending worked me into a shoot, friends ;_;
Sweeney Tom
Banned
No because Bryan's wrestled his last match in WWE
brisk tacos
Banned
3MB was the best part of his WWE run. He's a guy they gave chances to (including being the last guy Vince came out and endorsed on screen) and he just wasn't able to connect to a big audience.
On the indies, of course he connects to those little crowds. They're excited to see a WWE star, especially in the UK where he's the hometown boy who made it big and came back. But what does that show to WWE? He was basically in the same position Cesaro has been in, except Cesaro was able to connect with the crowds 100% on ring work and Drew wasn't. Does wrestling in front of a few hundred people that are really into the show make Drew more valuable to WWE? I don't think so. I don't think they do, either, since they were cool to let him leave.
Jimmy King
Member
Frecklestein
Banned
that's ... actually pretty good..? Who will Neville recruit?
Of all the guys in WWE I think Cody is the one that would really benefit the most from there being a legitimate number 2 promotion. Even something like 2005-2006 TNA would be a chance for him to prove he could carry a promotion as "the guy" without the pressure of WWE.
Unfortunately current TNA or GFW doesn't really fit that profile.
Who will they:
Lucha Dragons
Who they should and dress up like Hurricane style superheros:
Mark Henry and a masked and later revealed Bull Dempsey
Frecklestein
Banned
fuck
brisk tacos
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Christian and Brock Lesnar are the only guys in the past 15 years to leave WWE and come back with more value. Brock is Brock and is a unique case in all of sports. Christian left WWE specifically telling them he could be a top guy and would prove it, and they let him to out and prove it. This was at a time when TNA kind of sort of mattered enough that it was on the radar for Christian's run to prove himself. That shit is long gone. EC3 ain't proving shit to WWE carrying the husk of TNA on his back.
thats just a guess on my end
They have worked together before and they wear bright colors for the kids
Frecklestein
Banned
I was kinda hoping for some singles guys to team up with him considering how many are in limbo and it would help out the tag division a little more. I mean, your guess makes sense, but I just don't care about them at all.
but think of the botches