Cakeboxer
Member
You can prefer whatever you want, but we both know you would still buy a PS6 even with my changes and that's why i would do it.
Shawn Layden says PS6 will not be "fully discless"
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RetroGamingUK
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They'll likely be sticking with 4K Blu-ray again, but we'll see more games on 2 discs
PS3 - games on 1 Blu-ray
PS4 - games on 2 Blu-rays
PS5 - games on 1 4K Blu-ray
PS6 - games on 2 4K Blu-rays
RetroGamingUK
Member
You PC guys need to realise that the rise of Steam is what's put so many people off PC gaming
I used to enjoy PC when it was like this...
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
It's unlikely that the PS6 is beyond the planning stages, so this guy has no idea.
Cakeboxer
Member
I still have plenty of those myself from like 1995-2000. In a box. In a strogae room. They are way too big to display for my taste. I never looked back to physical.You PC guys need to realise that the rise of Steam is what's put so many people off PC gaming
I used to enjoy PC when it was like this...
RetroGamingUK
Member
If you look into past PlayStation project and assume we're looking at a November 2028 launch then PS6 will be well into development.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Wrong. I won't be buying a PS6 if they don't provide a disc drive (built-in or as an add-on). I'll move back to PC (I'll still keep my consoles that play physical media though).
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EDMIX
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So.....I have no fucking clue how anyone can argue PS6 won't be 8K supported when PS5 Pro is right now..
So they won't support the shit they support now in 5 years or so?
I've yet to see any generation jump by ANY GAMES SYSTEM that has not had a resolution jump, your fucking feelings on 4K don't change that and no fucking company making a choice to stay dated based on if Valianthnstance can tell the difference from his couch, thats like saying we won't see a 6090 or 7090 cause "derrrr can't tell the difference" Ohhhh yes, now the Nvidia will not make a new card and will decide they hate money cause you um "can't tell the difference" lol
I don't know of any company btw that is making new fucking hardware based on this logic and would gladly agree with you, if you can find me 1 company that has opted to keep the exact same resolution from 1 gen to another based on this.
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DownLikeBCPowder
Member
Means it may not be "fully discful" either, though. As long as there is a model that includes the drive that isn't gimped, I'll be satisfied. I'll not be very happy if all models are discless with "option for disc device".
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
True, but the way they did PS5's launch is the way I expect them to do PS6
A disk version and a diskless version with some M.2 Drive slots (or what ever is the major storage type at PS6's release)
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
This is acceptable to me. I see it as a neutral ground, whereas no on-hardware disc I view as accelerating physical decline.
2 4K Blu-Rays? You're going to have a 200GB install minimum.
ValiantInstance
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So.....I have no fucking clue how anyone can argue PS6 won't be 8K supported when PS5 Pro is right now..
So they won't support the shit they support now in 5 years or so?
I've yet to see any generation jump by ANY GAMES SYSTEM that has not had a resolution jump, your fucking feelings on 4K don't change that and no fucking company making a choice to stay dated based on if Valianthnstance can tell the difference from his couch, thats like saying we won't see a 6090 or 7090 cause "derrrr can't tell the difference" Ohhhh yes, now the Nvidia will not make a new card and will decide they hate money cause you um "can't tell the difference" lol
I don't know of any company btw that is making new fucking hardware based on this logic and would gladly agree with you, if you can find me 1 company that has opted to keep the exact same resolution from 1 gen to another based on this.
The PS5 'supports' 8K. In reality no it doesn't, it's just a fancy sticker they slapped on the box.
There is no difference between 4K and 8K to the average consumer. The only reason to push for it is a gimmick.
8K vs 4K TVs: Double-blind study by Warner Bros. et al reveals most consumers can’t tell the difference
It depends on your visual acuity and how far you are from the screen. But even under the best conditions, the difference between 4K and 8K is minimal.
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PuppetMaster
Member
Its sad that Layden literally cannot make the news anymore unless he is talking about Sony his ex-employer.
Makoto-Yuki
Banned
Digital should be the standard. Do what they are doing with the slim/pro and have an attachable drive. Charge people extra who are stuck in the past and refuse to get with the times.
ValiantInstance
Member
Getting with the times is not owning anything you buy and having your entire game library held hostage on a closed system?
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
What a bizarre rant.
The PS5 'supports' 8K. In reality no it doesn't, it's just a fancy sticker they slapped on the box.
There is no difference between 4K and 8K to the average consumer. The only reason to push for it is a gimmick.
8K vs 4K TVs: Double-blind study by Warner Bros. et al reveals most consumers can’t tell the difference
It depends on your visual acuity and how far you are from the screen. But even under the best conditions, the difference between 4K and 8K is minimal.
Yet that shows you the fucking direction they are headed in with PS6...
You can call it a "gimmick" all you want, a resolution jump has been a standard within gaming for decades from game consoles to new GPUs
Again, what generation do you know of that had zero resolution jumps?
Your feeling its a gimmick doesn't have shit to do with facts regarding historically how this has been handled, we don't even have all the details on Switch 2 and I can guarantee, 1 of them will be a higher resolution then Switch 1.
Why?
Well sir...like stated before, we have never FUCKING GOT 1 GENERATION WITH ZERO RESOLUTION JUMP
Imagine seeing them do this with PS5 Pro and then act shocked when someone makes a "wild" guess that PS6 will support 8K lol
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RetroGamingUK
Member
I think 4K is the ceiling for most people. I don't see a future where everyone has a 90" TV in their front room
Imagine what could be achieved without these stupidly high resolutions
Of course PS6 will support 8K, developers would be wise to avoid it though
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Sure, I don't see what that has to do with any company btw
You'll still see 5090s, 6090, etc
You'll still see 8K tvs, 16K tvs etc
Annnnd you'll still see PS6 support 8K, PS7 supporting 16K etc
None of that has to do with how companies operate. They are selling an investment into the future. They have no ode to tell you "spend more, for the same resolution" I don't know of any company doing this and we've yet to see any hardware company make any pitch like this or something. So that resolution jump has always been a standard in hardware and I don't see that changing any time soon.
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#SonyToo
They'd do it instantly if they could get away with it. Whatever they make from a disc drive is nothing compared to the benefit of having all purchases run through their storefront and killing the secondary market.
Cakeboxer
Member
If that was the case, why are they always sold out? Sony sold dozens of millions PS5 with a disc drive and now they suddenly can't make enough disc drives in months? Also they knew long before the release of the external disc drive how high the demand could be, because they know the global physical/digital game sale ratio and that some people want it for movies or just to be flexible.
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TheGodfather07
Member
Bend over a little further why don't you? Your the exact type of person corporations want. Would you also raise prices on games by 25%?
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Cakeboxer
Member
No, because that would be difficult to get away with. But i would try to get a better cut from the devs once Xbox is gone for good.
TheGodfather07
Member
But you didn't explain why you would take the disc drive away? Why as a customer, would you want less options? Even I'm more digital but I'll never want the disc driven taken away because ultimately it gives me less options. I would always want the option of physical and the benefits that come with it rather than have the digital store as my only option.
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
Yes, not far enough where they have made decisions like what is claimed here. These things are finalized abut a year before release and plans to manufacturers arrive 6-8 months before launch.
Cakeboxer
Member
I just said that i would do it if i was Sony. As a customer, although being all digital for years now, i would want a disc drive, because the more options the better.
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TheGodfather07
Member
Isn't that a contradiction though? You want a disc drive but if you was in charge of playstation, you wouldn't include one? You even said you would make it hard to get and only sell it in third world countries, make it overpriced and make the current one incompatible with the PS6! Do you want the disc drive or not?
laynelane
Member
You PC guys need to realise that the rise of Steam is what's put so many people off PC gaming
I used to enjoy PC when it was like this...
Yep, that's one of the reasons I'm sticking with console. I prefer physical games, always have and always will.
Boss Mog
Member
He's talking about "internet connections" and "athletes" and "military personnel". Yeah sorry Sean but you forgot the biggest reason Sony shouldn't abandon physical media and that's because a lot of gamers actually want to own what they pay for and have no desire to participate in the "you'll own nothing and be happy" commie utopia.
If PS goes fully digital then I'm done with PS, it's that simple. I have enough of a backlog to last me several years and I can always go back to Nintendo, they won't give up on physical so easily.
If PS goes fully digital then I'm done with PS, it's that simple. I have enough of a backlog to last me several years and I can always go back to Nintendo, they won't give up on physical so easily.
Topher
Identifies as young
He didn't say he does. He makes a point based on Sony's global market. Much of the world still ain't ready to go fully digital. Just that simple.
Cakeboxer
Member
I don't know what's so difficult to understand. That's just a thought experiment. From a gamer/customer perspective i don't want Sony to do this. But if i was Sony i would do it, because Microsoft is dead and i would get away with it and it would make me lots of money.
saintjules
Gold Member
I can definitely see them doing a disc drive separately kinda thing next-gen. No way they are doing completely discless.
Topher
Identifies as young
Not to mention vinyl records. If a market exists, businesses will sell to it. The physical market still exists, even if it is dwarfed by digital.
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HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
Must be a weird spot to be in as a company. The west is more or less digital already, everyone and their mother now streams their films, LG and Sony have both stopped producing discs. But there's still so much of the market tied to the format for various reasons.
Horseganador
Member
Of course PS6 will have a disc drive, one of the advantages of PS is that people have their PS4 and PS5 libraries... not allowing them to use their games on the new console would be an epic mistake.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
I doubt you'll get that. I think the Pro is the model of how it will be from now on, launch digital with a disc option. Maybe they will have some pre-configured / setup, guess it will depend on demand.
Boss Mog
Member
The physical market is not dwarfed by digital as much as you think. If you take out PC (which is pretty much all digital) and all the console games that don't have physical versions, you'll see that there's plenty of demand for physical. In fact it's not unusual for some AAA PS5 or Switch games to have over 50% of sales be physical. In any store I visit that sells physical versions of games there's always tons of people there browsing/buying. Sony are not going to give up on all those sales all of a sudden I think. The overwhelming majority of PS5 sold are the model with the disc drive.
ValiantInstance
Member
Switch is really carrying physical on its back.
Switch cartridges are a commodity. They hold their value suprisingly well. There are Youtube channels dedicated to finding bargains and flipping them on eBay.
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Alan Wake
Member
Good points. It's just not us who wants discs but could play without them, it's also those who simply can't.
I somehow come to think about the infamous Mattrick interview where he had read about someone who was on a nuclear sub and couldn't get a connection. The audience who would suffer with an online demand is slightly bigger than that...
I somehow come to think about the infamous Mattrick interview where he had read about someone who was on a nuclear sub and couldn't get a connection. The audience who would suffer with an online demand is slightly bigger than that...
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
As physical media gets more and more niche it's gonna be harder to find discs. I was in a Best Buy yesterday and they barely had anything. 10 years from now it's gonna be like buying vinyl and it's gonna come from shit companies like LRG. I hope I'm wrong because I still like buying a few games physically a year that I really like for my collection.
Zacfoldor
Member
It just needs to check the disc for the license or to install on the device the game does not play off the disc. There is no reason not to allow a USB disc drive for zero dollars even long after there is no need for one. These drives can be completely working with the port that is already on the console, multiple ports actually, the USB ports. Why do these people hate disc drives?
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Rocco Schiavone
Member
If it hadn't had a drive I would have gone PC only. The main reason I play on console is the physical media.
GoldenEye98
posts news as their odd job
I honestly feel like if physical games do stick around it's going to morph into a premium/limited edition only sort of thing...
spookyfish
Member
"Yes it's true—this machine has no disc."
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