To me, that's one big advantage of having a physical MC. Physical demons are MP starved, while the protagonist is not.
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Shin Megami Tensei IV |OT| The Dark Souls of Persona
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To me, that's one big advantage of having a physical MC. Physical demons are MP starved, while the protagonist is not.
PlanetSmasher
Banned
I just ran into this domain ten minutes ago. He's weak against gun attacks and not hugely accurate, so if you know what you're doing and can void or repel Ice you might be able to beat him with some strong gun-users.
PartTimeWarrior
Banned
Early game question
any terminals when you get to Tokyo?
Thats the way to go.
PlanetSmasher
Banned
It just seems that Phys isn't that effective in this game overall, sadly. I keep my mage demons way past their prime, but fuse demons with only phys attacks asap.
Yep. Each major area/town has one so far.
Hm, I'll have to do some demon fusion and/or hunting. Only downside is my MC's gear makes him weak to ice. Thanks for the tip!
As far as character builds go, I probably screwed mine up but he's been fun. From the very beginning I've been putting 3 points into MAG and 1 each into AGI and LCK, and then I use every stat boosting incense I get on him. His magic skills hit like a truck even if enemies aren't weak against them.
mullet2000
Member
So, I'm about to start this game and after reading the last few pages of the thread I just want to reiterate on something:
Having a Phys MC is generally a bad thing? I've seen a lot of comments about Phys not being very useful in this game. Should I just go magic focused?
Having a Phys MC is generally a bad thing? I've seen a lot of comments about Phys not being very useful in this game. Should I just go magic focused?
Urban Scholar
Member
Out of context this sounds not very right. Within context this is awesome.
SpaceBridge
Member
PartTimeWarrior
Banned
So I'm level 11, have 3 characters with Bufu, and I can't beat
I get to the 3rd dialogue bit where there are no actual choices and it looks like I'm about to win but he just won't die. It's about that time he starts breaking out that uber move that instant kills a lot of my characters.
Is there anything I can do here besides just grinding? I'd prefer not to do that.
The Minotaur
I get to the 3rd dialogue bit where there are no actual choices and it looks like I'm about to win but he just won't die. It's about that time he starts breaking out that uber move that instant kills a lot of my characters.
Is there anything I can do here besides just grinding? I'd prefer not to do that.
PlanetSmasher
Banned
Be wary, his physical strikes will still hurt like HELL, and he has a lot of HP. But if you blast him with enough gun moves, he should fold eventually. I made the same mistake of wearing the White Samurai armor into the fight, switched it out for one that isn't weak against ice and I was able to tank him a lot more effectively.
Unfortunately, I forgot that Tam Lin is weak to Ice, and once the boss exploited that I was done for.
Ueno Station, one of the first doors once you go into the Underground.
aliencowz7
Member
Phys based demons are perfect for any time you need to do anything where the monsters are a couple levels or more below you be it farming old demons for fusion or doing quests or whatever. You can hit R for auto battle and clear all of the random battles before the enemy even gets a turn. Auto battle is actually considerably quicker then even just spam hitting the button to do physical attacks.
I suppose you could eventually put app points into the skill that allows auto battle to target weaknesses but it seems like kind of a waste considering you don't get enough app points to get everything even at max level.
I have a Phys based MC and still keep at least 3 other decent STR demons in my stock for when i need to do random crap that isn't progressing the story.
I suppose you could eventually put app points into the skill that allows auto battle to target weaknesses but it seems like kind of a waste considering you don't get enough app points to get everything even at max level.
I have a Phys based MC and still keep at least 3 other decent STR demons in my stock for when i need to do random crap that isn't progressing the story.
WrenchNinja
Member
Are you using stat buffs and debuffs?
I'm not too worried about physical hits now, thanks to Tetrakarn (I think that's it.) It repels Physical and Gun attacks for one turn. I love seeing enemies kill themselves with it, always makes me smile.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
I just arrived on Tokyo but I assume it's behind that
Tengu
(Anyways...I think I am just gonna restart over from the very beginning, only this time I will forego STR entirely in favor to DEX/AGI/LCK build.
I have a demon that is my dedicated healer that is casting a defense buff. I forget the name but it starts with an R. Is there something else I should be casting? Also, does the buff last the whole battle or just the next round? I don't see any indicators that the characters have been buffed.
PlanetSmasher
Banned
That would definitely make it a lot easier. Glacial Blast hurts if you're not prepared for it, but most of his kills on my demons came from his physical hits.
If you have it, cast Sukukaja or Sukunda. Defense buffs are nice, but you really want to make sure he just doesn't hit you at all.
For me,
Sitting at 130ish luck and just got death bullets : D
Using a machine gun on three or more enemies is like guaranteed to instant kill or crit at least one of them. Also literally never missed a mamudo on something weak to dark, when any demons I've had try to use basic instant kill spells miss quite a bit even on weaknesses.
Before the death bullets mamudo was a reasonable but not great option for groups of three or four without easily exploitable weaknesses.
If I could actually manage to learn mamudoon or mahamaon I would just be instant deathing so many random things.
PartTimeWarrior
Banned
I just arrived on Tokyo but I assume it's behind thatfight, is this correct? Bring anti-Zan demons/armor to make your life easier. My team got wiped out very fast, hahaha....Tengu
Anyways...I think I am just gonna restart over from the very beginning, only this time I will forego STR entirely in favor to DEX/AGI/LCK build.
Just beat him, thanks!
I suspected that was the terminal room but I wasn't too sure
What level were you when you did that?
Edit : nvm. Got him after 5 tries. Nozomi did one extra bufu which was just enough to get me the win
Still very early in the game, just hit level 4 and did my first demo fusion. Is it me or is the game actively trying to kill your right from the jump with how much damage enemies are doing to do you? Does the game need you to die or something and I've just been staying alive when I shouldn't? It's somewhat hard to even keep demons alive as they can be taken out in a single round or even one hit killed.
I just arrived on Tokyo but I assume it's behind thatfight, is this correct? Bring anti-Zan demons/armor to make your life easier. My team got wiped out very fast, hahaha....Tengu
Anyways...I think I am just gonna restart over from the very beginning, only this time I will forego STR entirely in favor to DEX/AGI/LCK build.
You get enough incense that those early investments into STR won't matter at all a few hours down the line. Keep going!
Nah its just SMT
GeekyDad
Member
Just paid Charon about 5k macca to revive, and it was totally worth it. I made the mistake of never paying him early on when I'd die and had to sit through that long-ass-mountain-scaling animation every time. Now, I can breeze right past him and reload. Totally worth the price. Shitty to have to learn the hard way, but I couldn't take those Game Over deals anymore.
QuiteWhittle
Member
ForteanMan
Member
Boy oh boy the big demon fight in the, um, third? town of Tokyo,
, is destroying my team. I know that she's weak to
, but whenever I really start to do some serious damage to her she retaliates with a combination of
. And a move that deals damage to me and restores her health. Any tips or recommendations?
Xi Wangmu
force
megaton press
FrontRelinquish
Neo Member
Boosting your defense and evasion can help a lot, and I'd have at the very least three party members that can use
force
this is your opportunity to buff up, since all your attacks do 1 damage, anyway.
ForteanMan
Member
Cool, I'll have to give that a try. Didn't even occur to me to buff during turn 1.
Spend the first few turns buffing your defense and hit/evade as you can't do any damage to start. Use dekunda after her big buff and start debugging her attack.
You can press X to skip the animation and dialogue to get it done even faster.
ForteanMan
Member
Yeah, it seems to be that buff/debuffs are going to play a big part in the fight. I've gotten away with just exploiting weaknesses up to this point, oh well.
Fidelis Hodie
Infidelis Cras
Like 5 or 6 hours in. Addicted to grinding and fusing so much.
Just beat the
got to the
, dude bullshitted me with some onu-giniri whatever like 4 times in a row. Balls that. Instant wipeout.
When I get home, brah. When I get home.
Just beat the
forest,
minataur
When I get home, brah. When I get home.
FrontRelinquish
Neo Member
Having a pure support demon is a good idea by all means. You can always swap it out mid-battle if it's not being useful, and the heals are a great way to sustain your party when battles end, since you can use those healing skills in the overworld. The stock space is for more than carrying fusion fodder!
I just beat this.
I was buffing defense and attack to their max and debuffing hit/evasion. I did that to the max. The first few turns you can't do anything anyway, so buff/debuff. Then exploit the weakness while finishing off buffing/debuffing to the max.
I had a bunch of
repel elec
Resist Elec
force
plot armor
ForteanMan
Member
Thanks for the response, this is likely going to be my strategy when I get home from work tonight. I'm going to take her down, dammit!
This is one of the reasons I'm loving this game so much, the boss demons don't feel "cheap" so much as they just show me that I've got to come up with a better strategy for taking them on. Loving this game, definite candidate for my personal GOTY.
EDIT: Ahhh! I'm overwhelmed by all your help folks. Thanks so much for the replies, one way or the other I'm getting past this section tonight after work.
Apis [cow demon] level 18 is the earliest I've seen I think ^^; Much later on you can buy Tetraja stones from shops too
Get a dekaja demon and fuse it, since that'll stop her from overwhelming you with her buffs. When I searched for one w/ the cathedral app I only had access to a single, low ish level demon, but it definitely helped out. Debuff/Buff spells like Tarunda / Rakakaja also made a massive difference.
InsaneElite
Member
The Skill Mutation app is a must, in my opinion. There's no downsides, and getting a great result is satisfying. I just changed Ice Breath to Mediarama and Megido to Bufudyne.
Okay so my plan to fuse a low level demon with abilities I wanted to level up on my MC and repeatedly resummon/level him up to get whispers didn't go quite as planned, because a level 6 demon with just tianomachia/dekunda on it costs around 7k to summon.
However, you can just re-fuse them to another low level demon over and over. Which is almost as convenient and still very cheap.
However, you can just re-fuse them to another low level demon over and over. Which is almost as convenient and still very cheap.
60 points is a lot, though, and its random nature of only mutating demons' skills caused me to go with MP Recovery 2 instead.