Snowden's Secret
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I'm level 16, is that good enough to be swamp thing in the pond? He's the first boss that has felt out of reach during my first encounter.
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Shin Megami Tensei IV |OT| The Dark Souls of Persona
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Urban Scholar
Member
Item shop jam plays *dies*
There are a few quests that you can get if you have it.
I cant find any Gremlins
Odd. Just step outside the Sky Terminal and they're around. Well, let's do this through fusion then. Centaur and Bilwis can both be found in earlier floors of Naraku; Centaur on the very first and Bilwis around 3 or 4.
Like others have said, yeah it happens a lot.
Unwillingly/unknowingly? Raidou 1 and 2, with Red Cape.
well, shit. I walked all the way to the flame barrier on the far south side of the world map.
Hecatonchires Custom
Member
Like people said, Chaos Hero in SMT1, Demi Fiend, everyone in DDS duology, a few characters in If.. Happens all the time it seems.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
It's good, so long as you prepare fire spells for it.
Oh, and you want to carry poison-dispelling spells/items too.
See, this game has many great tunes. Then why the hell does the CD music contained in the box sucks so much
cj_iwakura
Member
I'm getting overwhelmed by Tokyo, sort of in a good way.
So much to do.
Post-Corpse quest in Shinjuku:
I might have to say it: I'm confident this game will top Nocturne. Story remains to be seen, but atmosphere and gameplay? The king has been dethroned.
So much to do.
Post-Corpse quest in Shinjuku:
Wow, Dullahan was CREEPY.
I might have to say it: I'm confident this game will top Nocturne. Story remains to be seen, but atmosphere and gameplay? The king has been dethroned.
Incendiary
Banned
So a random question: is there any sort of skill or app later on in the game that lets you switch out bullets in battle? Because if there is, I may head headlong into Dex build, otherwise I'll probably stick with my Dex/Magic split.
At level 24, my stats and skills are:
St: 18
Dx: 40
Ma: 45
Ag: 31
Lu: 31
I'm starting to have trouble deciding how to fuse demons because I'm losing too many good abilities/bonuses. Sigh.
At level 24, my stats and skills are:
St: 18
Dx: 40
Ma: 45
Ag: 31
Lu: 31
Energy Drain
Bufula +2
Zanma +1
Dia +8
Agilao +2
Bad Company +3
Concentrate
Bufula +2
Zanma +1
Dia +8
Agilao +2
Bad Company +3
Concentrate
I'm starting to have trouble deciding how to fuse demons because I'm losing too many good abilities/bonuses. Sigh.
toadsworth
Banned
Does anyone have a link to the github tool? I seem to have misplaced it and don't know how to google it...
toadsworth
Banned
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
You raise both Ma and Dex? Huh.........
So I gather it is gonna be difficult for you to choose skills, huh, since you have to pick and choose between Magical and Physical skills, unlike those who specialize and thus can pick one line of skills only.
How's that build carry you so far? Any notable difficulties?
As for Bullet-changing app, no, I believe there isn't any as far as I know.
Urban Scholar
Member
See, this game has many great tunes. Then why the hell does the CD music contained in the box sucks so much
A brilliant ploy to get more $$ out of us when the release the OST? I feel bad for hitting the buy button but it'll only be for a second though!
Darth_Caedus
No longer canonical
Stopping for the day. Got 4 hours in today. I just past
so far I like Isabeau, Jonathan, and Walter. It's going to be sad to see them get corrupted by their ideals. I like the relationships of the characters that they lightly touch upon. The story is nothing so far but I know that changes.
The music is great easily one of the best soundtracks in the series. The battles are fun and the horde battles are interesting.
The fusing process and the whole UI in general is easy to work and sleek. I also enjoy the new art style after hating it when the game was announced. I hope this art style is here to say. The character designs are great (especially Isabeau's) and the updated looks to the demons make them feel more modern. Amazing game so far.
the forest and met the black samurai
The music is great easily one of the best soundtracks in the series. The battles are fun and the horde battles are interesting.
The fusing process and the whole UI in general is easy to work and sleek. I also enjoy the new art style after hating it when the game was announced. I hope this art style is here to say. The character designs are great (especially Isabeau's) and the updated looks to the demons make them feel more modern. Amazing game so far.
cj_iwakura
Member
I imagine this will easily be a two disc OST. Maybe even three-four.
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
I mean, they don't even include the battle music for fuck's sake, unlike Etrian Odyssey IV's CD.
And the battle music here is so catchy too.
Snowden's Secret
Banned
Thanks, worked great.
It's really amazing how far a little preparation will take you here.
Incendiary
Banned
Dang. I was hoping there was because it would help with my ability decisions. Right now I'm basically keeping regular and electric bullets handy depending on the area/what I need. I thought if there was a bullet-switching app or something I could free up a few slots of elemental magic and put some other things in. Ah well.
So far I haven't had any difficulty, Bad Company has really been saving my ass in the more notable boss battles. My style is slightly different though, in that I don't really assign demons one particular style, instead each of my demons has a mix of attacks, healing, buffs, and bonuses, instead of having a buff demon, a magic demon, etc.
Another question: are the Knowhow skills ever useful? I've been trashing them in favor of what I perceive to be more useful skills.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Yeah, preparing is crucial, but luck also plays a HUGE part in many nail-biting encounters, especially bosses
I mean, please miss, please don't use those skills two in a row, please get smirks when I hit weaknesses, etc etc etc etc.
I meant skill selection for your MC. If you go physical then you can stick to guns/physical skills and maybe support like War Cry. If you go magical then you can stick to elemental spells, spirit drain, etc etc. Since you go both physical/magical, then you basically need to split the available skill pool into two "sides" for the MC.
Well, not that kind of setup has no value, I guess...
Anyways, personally I find only healing knowhow is useful, since with this your demons can cure debilitating statuses on their own, which saves the MC a turn.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Healing has save me more than once (I give them to my healers/support) ... but Attack seems hollow to me
mugurumakensei
Member
Sidequest
Where are the four devas located?
Splash Wave
Member
I'm very early in the game, but I'm already a little disappointed by its presentation. EO4 spoiled me.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
You are way early... wait until you get to Tokyo.
Yeah, preparing is crucial, but luck also plays a HUGE part in many nail-biting encounters, especially bosses
I know that this is an SMT thing so I'm supposed to love bullshit deaths but they could stand to be a little less ruthless. I've been in scripted fights in which the enemy gets the first move and proceeds to Blight me two times in a row. Unless you've read a strategy guide, there is literally no way of knowing it might happen and there's no reasonable defense short of hoping the RNG god lets you live.
Rudimentary skill selection AI should account for this sort of thing but I guess Atlus thinks that Save Anywhere fixes everything.
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
Wow, this definitely more significant Than I thought. As someone who's going the DEX and gun route, how do you compensate for this?
CornBurrito
Member
Eh. As far as exploration went, I think EO4 did it better.
I don't think it matters much once you get into the higher level physical skills/dyne+ of magic. You're doing so much damage that +24 bonus isn't going to matter.
GeekyDad
Member
I feel the opposite. I feel like EOIV's overworld especially is quite rough around the edges, and the dungeons are plain Jane. Fine game, but hardly much to look at.
decoyplatypus
Member
See, this game has many great tunes. Then why the hell does the CD music contained in the box sucks so much
Oh, it's not all bad. sdds IV is glorious, especially after 2:00.
The Nocturne remix is also nice, even if it's a tease at 1:32.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Even that is a roll of the dice considering you can at times have the first move, or the boss/scripted enemies have their first move.
In case of boss fights, it can be incredibly devastating if they have the first move; so much so to the point of unfairness.
So yeah, luck. Also hoping your added human support doesn't do stupid stuff, like casting Bufu on Ice nullifying/absorbing boss, which will make them smirk :\\\\ Happened quite a bit of times, shit like this.
I really miss the ability to fuse whatever demon I want with whatever demon I want.
Since in here you can only do so with demons produced by Search.
CornBurrito
Member
Whoever said Gremlin evolves in 1-2 levels was extremely mistaken.
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
Wait, so when you say "+24" you literally mean a mere fixed 24 hitpoint bonus on the spell? Yeah, that's... Nothing. For some reason I thought it was some stat that scales up.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Eh... you can use your Compedium saved demons in the search options. You don't even need to summon to your party, just pay macca.
I finally reached the interesting part story wise. LATE GAME SPOILERS after the Roppongi Hills dungeon.
The angels new designs are so ugly. Michael is the worst, a bunch of arms holding an head, really? Now to decide to go with Jonathan or Walter. Like usual in SMT both sides are assholes in their own way.
Lucent
Member
Yeah. I really want Persona 5 to be on at least current gen consoles though. I mean, they went through the trouble to make the style for Catherine and all that, might as well. Just with the art style that Persona and SMT have, I'd just like to see those more realized.
No, he wants a way to fuse a specific demon with another specific demon without having to dig through results lists to see which two demons are used. Unless I'm going for a specific demon, I'll generally just test fusions between all demons which have no more skills to learn and SMT4 makes this a lot harder than it was in earlier Megaten games.
Other than that, I really love all of the filters and search options in the new fusion system.
You could never fuse any demon with any other demon, in any game. There are always families of demons that simply will not fuse together. The old style of fusion can be replicated exactly by going into search, choosing a demon under the "include" option and initiating the search.
CornBurrito
Member
I love when enemies don't have any logic to their weaknesses or resistances. -_-
Nothing like that. There are many optional events that affect your alignment, though, so if you reach the end and you aren't where you want to be, if you put those events off, you can use them to your advantage. But that's about it.
Splash Wave
Member
The fact that I've already chosen to reset a few times in the first dungeon is worrisome! I've been stingy with relinquishing items to demons for the first quest, but I probably shouldn't be.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
I tought that it was harder to do in previous games, I spent hours in Soul Hackers and Strange Journey to fuse a demon that I didn't have use for or I didn't want to delete but all of its fusions were demons that I already have or didn't want. Not even low level demons that I didn't have for X reason but I still wanted them.