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Shin Megami Tensei IV |OT| The Dark Souls of Persona
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hosannainexcelsis
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I don't see how that's the case. The principal belief of the Cult of Gaia is that power trumps everything - the strong rule while the weak are discarded. Early Christians were known for supporting those who were weak in Roman society - women, slaves, the poor - which is part of the reason it was able to find such a following.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
More in the sense of fighting against overwhelming law abiding empire (until they were assimilated into the empire).
But yeah, their believes are totally different regarding the weak, to the point where the Cult becomes pretty hypocrital when you realize that the Ginza subquest
You are accomulating money to buy more stuff. Tyler Durden will cry
That admits that is here because she is hot
I do not think that Christianity itself, or any major religion which exists in society today, can ever be represented as the Law foundations in a Megaten game. It simply doesn't make sense. The foundation of the divine and demonic powers in Megaten has always been primal. Powers which have existed before the dawn of man, filled with the desire to undo the state of human society and remake it in a form which they feel is "right" for the world.
Any religion we are familiar with in the world today are built on human understanding and integrated with human society. The objective is to coexist, not to dictate existence. As such, it already fails the test of a true Law alignment - full obedience to God and carrying out His will without compromise.
Any religion we are familiar with in the world today are built on human understanding and integrated with human society. The objective is to coexist, not to dictate existence. As such, it already fails the test of a true Law alignment - full obedience to God and carrying out His will without compromise.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Pretty much.
There's a skill that can just make them disappear (assuming you are sufficiently higher level than the mob). Can't remember what its called, it's 25mp. Estoma Sword?
"Hey guys, remember me? I'm the girl that appears in Shinjuku and a couple of other places, why aren't more people talking about me
"Does anyone else love how out of place Hikaru is? Her design makes it seem like she's from a Persona game. Food for thought, Flynn and Hikaru go to the same school.
"Hey guys, remember me? I'm the girl that appears in Shinjuku and a couple of other places, why aren't more people talking about me
She's more significant in one of the endings.
GeekyDad
Member
Oh I know. It's just that i've barely seen any speculation or discussion on her character, which is strange considering how she sticks out like a sore thumb.
"Hey guys, remember me? I'm the girl that appears in Shinjuku and a couple of other places, why aren't more people talking about me
Does anyone else love how out of place Hikaru is? Her design makes it seem like she's from a Persona game. Food for thought, Flynn and Hikaru go to the same school.
Eh, something about her face seems off. It unnerves me.
QuiteWhittle
Member
"Hey guys, remember me? I'm the girl that appears in Shinjuku and a couple of other places, why aren't more people talking about me
Does anyone else love how out of place Hikaru is? Her design makes it seem like she's from a Persona game. Food for thought, Flynn and Hikaru go to the same school.
Hikaru cameo in P5?
It's easy to stick out in a situation where Tokyo is overrun by demons just by smiling.
CornBurrito
Member
Nice
My MC is gun-based so I don't get him an Energy Drain, but practically all of my spell users be that healing or offensive get an Energy Drain in their skill repertoire. I find it useful in prolonged battles like bosses and such.
It's nice to see that there are many who can find value in Energy Drain
I can see value in Energy Drain sort of, but I mostly prefer a coverage move. I'm serious when I say I haven't run out of MP once this game except on the final
Law boss.
And when that happens I have 5 unused great chakras.
It helps that every normal battle for me now ends in 3 seconds by a single use of Judgement Light. My demons can conserve all of their MP for boss battles.
But YHWH is literally the final boss in many older SMT games. It seems that the Japanese do not seethe Judeo-Christian deity as being about coexistence. They look at the Old Testament god and see a murderous, vile, psychopathic, egotistical dictator. And in the OT it really was "follow my law or I have no qualms about ordering the Jews to commit genocide."
Also the Angels in certain games (Devil Survivor) struck me as basically extreme caricature of the Christian Crusaders.
NeonZ
Member
I'm Brazilian, and Brazil is a pretty Christian country too though. Anyway, God is specifically called Yehowah in Devil Survivor (+Overclocked) and that had an American release. Besides, the mythological references in the various games generally make it clear that it's the Jewish/Christian God, not just a generic divine or creator entity, besides a few exceptions (like the "Great Will" in Nocturne).
There's a difference between reshaping the law faction into something else and merely adding some figures that have been avoided so far though. In this case, those figures are big enough and related enough to the content they're already covering that they're referenced sometimes, making their absence even more odd.
There is no modern mainstream religion which specifically worships and views Yahweh as he is presented in the Old Testament. That's my entire point.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Game is sooooo good.
..and I just picked up Persona 4 the other day and have that $30 E-Shop credit for either PX or that new Mario RPG.
My poor wife, she's going to hate me.
..and I just picked up Persona 4 the other day and have that $30 E-Shop credit for either PX or that new Mario RPG.
My poor wife, she's going to hate me.
SpaceBridge
Member
Post alignment lock, neutral path, late spoilers:
so I have to go to Ginza and unsheath Skins katana to waken Tokyoz guardian deity. I've been doing side quests instead just for fun, but I'm not actually enjoying many of them. Do they amount to much beyond kill this demon, take a photo of this place?
The main ones that are required have neat story involved. The photo quests just lead up to Nozomi's last one.
SpaceBridge
Member
How can you tell which side quests are main ones?
(late game spoiler) Nice detail I noticed:
with the portal to the Expanse open there are less NPC's out in the open, including the underground shelters. Also all the NPC dialogue was changed to reflect recent events, creating a sense of urgency and bleakness.
The story really seemed to pick up once I got to (early to mid spoiler)
I'm hoping to still hit the Chaos ending first, but it seems like my normal tendency is getting in the way and I'm sitting on the Law side at the moment. At this point, I think I'm about 50% done.
The one big issue I keep running into is knowing where I need to go, but not remembering where it is on the map/how to get there. It seems like I can get to places I don't need to go to easily, but whenever I need to get to a place to progress the story, I get hung up and walk all over just to find it.
Shinjuku with a lot of the story focused around the Ring of Gaea and the Ashura-kai. Made it all the way through my first meeting with Tayama after rescuing what I believe to be our samurai counterparts.
The one big issue I keep running into is knowing where I need to go, but not remembering where it is on the map/how to get there. It seems like I can get to places I don't need to go to easily, but whenever I need to get to a place to progress the story, I get hung up and walk all over just to find it.
There are a big fountain in Hibiya Park near Ginza. But I don't know if it's that one. It's been years since I came back from Tokyo.
In the beginning I was regretting going Law route, but when I got locked into my route and saw this mentality full-blown it was very interesting seeing everything unfold.
Young Magus
Junior Member
Well considering how most folks haven't gotten into a certain route and how quick she appears it makes sense that she isn't brought up as much.
Also, I really really hope the OST drops soon, gonna buy that in a heartbeat.
You monster!
Also cynical man is saying I'm neutral now but given that I haven't followed a guide I'll probably go Bad>Law>Chaos>Neutral, might as well keep the ideology I identify with the most as last eh? Also Hikaru, best female design in anything ever.
hosannainexcelsis
Member
The early Christians didn't take up arms against the Roman Empire, unlike, say, the Jewish Zealots of the first century. They were generally law-abiding folk, except for their refusal to worship the Emperor.
"Hey guys, remember me? I'm the girl that appears in Shinjuku and a couple of other places, why aren't more people talking about me
Does anyone else love how out of place Hikaru is? Her design makes it seem like she's from a Persona game. Food for thought, Flynn and Hikaru go to the same school.
She's a really weird character in this setting, and I can't say I trust her. Not only her cheerfulness and school uniform (
why would she have something like that; she would have been born after schools disappeared
mugurumakensei
Member
Hopefully Wolverine appears in the remixed edition.
buddha0991
Member
So the first Boss Battle dlc is out
The thing is that one of the routes makes it quite clear, which leaves very little to speculate about.
buddha0991
Member
mugurumakensei
Member
I would kill for a remake of SMT 1 and 2 in the style of IV with the gameplay advancements.
mugurumakensei
Member
Her sheer sexiness would have sidelined Isabeau.
So I, uh, got bored this weekend and made a piano arrangement for the Toyko Map theme. It's a probably my favorite music so far from the game.
Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2jiIG_90Go
Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2jiIG_90Go
buddha0991
Member
SpeedySwaf
Member
My guess is that since Nozomi's a sidequest character, there was no guarantee players would see her, so they saw no reason to create a portrait. Which is a shame, because she has been pretty cool so far.
On Hikaru,
I have expect her to be Lucifer who's actually trying to disguise himself this time around. She's providing just enough hints to move you to your next destination, and her name is related to the Japanese word for 'light'.
Nozomi also had more personality than Isabeau.
reggieandTFE
Member
I just beat one of the early bosses,
and I honestly felt proud of myself for the first time playing a game in a while. I was under-leveled and he took me down in one turn the first couple times I tried, but then I went to the Cathedral of Souls, fused two new demons to support my team and I won the battle easily. Instead of mindlessly grinding in a JRPG I used some strategy and was successful!
the Minotaur,
buddha0991
Member
Kaga has a portrait to be a
, same with
red herring
Navarre.
Trojita
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So this guy did Concept art for SMT4? I remember seeing art similar to this when the game was first being teased. I want this as a next gen console release.
http://takeuchitosh777.wix.com/sketchbox
http://takeuchitosh777.wix.com/sketchbox
