SHOCKING NEWS: 3DS games look way better than DS games?!
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Relaxed Muscle
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Nope but going for the images:
Is hard to believe.
I know this is going to sound like bullshit, but it definitely looks better in motion than it does in screens.
Also that screenshot isn't exactly fair because it isn't in the 3DS' native res.
The textures in Resident Evil: Revelations are definitely Xbox-level. Also, even if a 3DS game uses the same textures as a PS2/Xbox game, they won't look as good at a distance due to 240p vs 480p. A texture is a 2D image and the amount of detail you can display out of it will always be limited to the display resolution.
BTW, the PS2 had only 32MBs of RAM and the Xbox had 64MBs. The 3DS uses the same texture compression as the Xbox (the PS2 could only do 4-bit and 8-bit color textures).
Relaxed Muscle
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When I said PS2 textures I was thinking of this:
I don't know about texture compression and all, but seeing things like that is like PS2 is live and kicking on the 3DS...
Cute Dragon Here
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One thing about New Leaf is that a lot of things are not visible without looking at it in motion and/or at sunset. That's where a lot of things start to bring themselves into view - you might have not noticed it yet, but a lot of things have some kind of normal mapping applied on them. I know the cliff faces are like that.
metalslimer
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The resolution really does hold back 3DS games a lot. I can't wait til next gen when they drop the 3D screen and have a nice res screen with a better battery life. Although to be fair, I wouldn't have minded playing DS games for a few more years. On a portable it really doesn't matter to me as much as home console wise. I've also yet to see anything even approach the best of the gamecube.
xxbrothawizxx63
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I was scrolling through the post when I saw the pics and thought "that looks like the pics I posted on 3DSforums" lol.
Thanks for the credit.
It is. All the daily shots and 3DS media released so far.
When I said PS2 textures I was thinking of this:
I don't know about texture compression and all, but seeing things like that is like PS2 is live and kicking on the 3DS...
You're being pretty generous calling that ground texture PS2 level. It doesn't even properly blend in places, yikes. It looks like N64 textures with some shading effects applied.
Nope but going for the images:
Is hard to believe.
Yeah, a non-native screen in static motion gives you the exact experience, right?
Edit: Lol at screenshot of an early E3 build..
COP: The Recruit for DS looks better than any N64 game that I've ever seen. It runs at 60fps too.
peanutbutterlatte
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Nope but going for the images:
Is hard to believe.
Try playing it in the rain where the ground has a wet sheen to it. Looks lovely. Also, the animals have a lovely fur texture to them. You really have to play it on the 3DS screen, blowing it up out of scale isn't doing anybody any favors.
No one has mentioned what is arguably the most beautiful 3DS game and one that seems to make great, unique use of the hardware.
Bravely Default:
It's definitely an interesting game to discuss if you're discussing textures because isn't it pretty much using megatextures?(I'm probably wrong to be honest)
Bravely Default:
It's definitely an interesting game to discuss if you're discussing textures because isn't it pretty much using megatextures?(I'm probably wrong to be honest)
PS my Torte avatar totally makes me biased.
When I said PS2 textures I was thinking of this:
I don't know about texture compression and all, but seeing things like that is like PS2 is live and kicking on the 3DS...
Hideous.
It's an imperfect comparison because the 3DS and Gamecube have very different weakness and strengths. The Gamecube can push a better resolution, as well as far more vertices. On the other hand the 3DS can do more with shader effects like normal-mapping than the GC. The result is games focused on limited environments, like Mario Golf, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, and Resident Evil can look better on the 3DS, while games with expansive, open worlds will nearly always look better on the Gamecube.
I know little about what kind of textures we should be expecting of a system with 128MB of RAM, what's the ballpark we're talking about quality-wise? Would the 3DS be limited by the fact that everyone except Capcom with Revelations makes their games to fit on a 2GB cartridge? Because I think Revelations has the best textures, but the size of the cart I imagine is more because of all the cut-scenes.
In any event, I think the textures in Castlevania were rather nice overall:
Immaculate
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No, is not.
evilromero
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I agree. That particular shot looks worse than a lot of N64 games. 3DS seems more like a cross between N64 and Dreamcast for me.
GhostTrick
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Lol. You should replay N64 games. BTW, After seeing games like Dead or Alive Dimensions, Kid Icarus Uprising, Resident Evil Revelations, EX Troopers, Castlevania or Smash Brothers, how can people seriously use N64 as a way of comparison for 3DS ?
Immaculate
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PS2 or Dreamcast is a better comparison
I'm surprised at how good Arkham Origins Blackgate looks on 3DS.
It's stunning.
Also, Smash Bros. 3DS looks super clean.
Mmm, that difference.
Honestly, they should be implementing cell shading a lot more often than they do.
QuiteWhittle
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3DS games don't look that bad, Jesus.
And remember - with mobile CPUs/GPUs exploding in performance recently ( looking to continue) in a few years when the next true successor to the 3ds and ps vita come out they'll be at least at wiiU level.
You can quote this for me in the future
but only after both come out!
They'll also probably be the last portable gaming consoles until mobile phones completely take over...
Or we're all hooked up to some occulus rift 2s and in a sword Arts online world or something...
#believe
You can quote this for me in the future
but only after both come out! They'll also probably be the last portable gaming consoles until mobile phones completely take over...
Or we're all hooked up to some occulus rift 2s and in a sword Arts online world or something...
#believe
mjontrix is right in the beginning of its post: next Nintendo & Sony handheld will feature pretty good graphics due to how mobile development exploded: by picking off-the-shelves components (something that Sony already largely did with Vita, and Nintendo did in part for 3DS), it's possible to have good graphics without costing that much to the final customer. Mobile GPU/CPU/RAM development has exploded, with improvements every year; so, costs going down much faster than before.
Just to say, it's not implausible to expect next Nintendo handheld to be stronger than Wii U, by a good amount (especially on the RAM front).
Just to say, it's not implausible to expect next Nintendo handheld to be stronger than Wii U, by a good amount (especially on the RAM front).
Wowfunhappy
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That would get super annoying every time I started the game, IMO. However, I think it would make for a good option in the settings menu.
Ehh, that's a bit too optimistic IMO. I think the 3DS' poor early sales numbers will deter Nintendo from launching a handheld anywhere near, let alone over $200 for the foreseeable future. They'll probably try to put out a system that's still profitable at $150-170, and that would translate to something around the 360's power in 2017. For reference, the iPhone 5S' GPU pushes roughly 75 Gflops, still a far cry from Wii U's 350.
What I'm really curious about is if they'll completely ditch the dual screens to cut costs next time around.
MH3G, MH4.
A Dreamcast with HD console shaders is a fair assessment I think based from the graphics I've seen in most 3DS games. It's not GCN level, but far beyond N64.
sixteen-bit
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and that castlevana game too
efyu_lemonardo
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xxbrothawizxx63
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It's gorgeous. They have that running at 60fps with AA? Crazy!Have you seen IronFall?
Have you seen IronFall?
Very impressive. Lets see if 2014 has more impressive games.
In terns of texture, the tron part in KH3DS impressed me a lot when I play:
sixteen-bit
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Have you seen IronFall?
Are there any direct feed screens of this?
Have you seen IronFall?
My reaction:
I guess I'll have to wait for direct-feed screenshots and gameplay footage before praising the visuals too much, but I love it when I get more ammo for 3DS graphics arguments.
eshop
The compromise isn't because the home console exists; the compromise is because they set a conservative spec target which they can produce profitably.
The place where the home console *is* affecting the 3DS isn't in the hardware, it's in the software; we've seen that with the difficulty Nintendo has been having in producing timely releases lately. That is something that could be alleviated if they were to - hypothetically - abandon the home console... but it wouldn't give you a bigger resolution.
My reaction:
I guess I'll have to wait for direct-feed screenshots and gameplay footage before praising the visuals too much, but I love it when I get more ammo for 3DS graphics arguments.
VD-dev said that on October 28th they will release technical info and a trailer.
I would be *very* surprised if it wasn't the same gameplay engine powering both titles; both systems sharing the same core, just with differing graphical engines placed over the top.
between n64 and dc?
it's really easy to spot people who don't have a 3ds or simply don't have the right games in this kind of threads.
We're not even close to having seen everything the wizard at shinen could pull off and we've already got people shitting on it from great height....
it's really easy to spot people who don't have a 3ds or simply don't have the right games in this kind of threads.
We're not even close to having seen everything the wizard at shinen could pull off and we've already got people shitting on it from great height....
sixteen-bit
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VD-dev said that on October 28th they will release technical info and a trailer.
what about direct-feed screens?
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