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[memoryman3]

...and instead allow releases on each other's platforms, Epic Games and Nintendo? I feel like Steam is going to become a full monopoly as consoles become more expensive and people head towards PC for high end gaming. If that's inevitable, then perhaps it wouldn't hurt for Sony to start focusing on Xbox/Nintendo ports over Steam ports?

Microsoft no longer really need Steam if they are doing PS5/Switch 2 releases now - their own store has massively improved since 2017. And perhaps Nintendo could open their own storefront if they decide to release games on PC.

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[wvnative]

No

 

[Kacho]

No

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

I'd like Steam to become the default location for all games, if not at first, eventually.
Even if it's a generation behind. Could you imagine all xbox, ps, and nintendo games on Steam up until 2020?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[memoryman3]

I'd like Steam to become the default location for all games, if not at first, eventually.
Even if it's a generation behind. Could you imagine all xbox, ps, and nintendo games on Steam up until 2020?

And allow Valve to apply a 30% tariff on all gaming to fund a fleet of yachts?

 

[K' Dash]

 

[Ar¢tos]

 

[kaizenkko]

I feel like Steam is going to become a full monopoly as consoles become more expensive and people head towards PC for high end gaming.

Somehow OP thought this made sense.

 

[AREYOUOKAY?]

No I like free online multiplayer.

 

[GHG]

I've rarely read an OP where the entirety of it is wrong/incorrect. But this is one of those moments.

 

[memoryman3]

Somehow OP thought this made sense.

People are willing to pay thousands for computers. Not so much consoles.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

And allow Valve to apply a 30% tariff on all gaming to fund a fleet of yachts?

why not? Fruits of their labor. At this point, bitchin about Steam's power is like bitching about Windows. It is what it is at this point.

 

[PlayStaytion]

No, you can't trust who're grateful behind the scenes cause they usually start making noise when something bad happens.

 

[memoryman3]

No I like free online multiplayer.

You have that on Epic. Plus, Epic actually provide online services that allow for seamless cross play across different consoles.

 

[Gonzito]

...and instead allow releases on each other's platforms, Epic Games and Nintendo? I feel like Steam is going to become a full monopoly as consoles become more expensive and people head towards PC for high end gaming. If that's inevitable, then perhaps it wouldn't hurt for Sony to start focusing on Xbox/Nintendo ports over Steam ports?

Microsoft no longer really need Steam if they are doing PS5/Switch 2 releases now - their own store has massively improved since 2017. And perhaps Nintendo could open their own storefront if they decide to release games on PC.

 

[Punished Miku]

If we get a great UI that unifies all stores and all libraries installed and uninstalled, then there really is no reason MS or Sony should ever lose 30%. As long as its on all platforms, that's really all that should matter. PC gamers can still play it, and the people actually making games get more of their own money. Sony should have their own store.

Up to them though. I don't care which stores they put it on, but Steam in general really offers nothing to any publisher that is capable of creating their own store.

Ideally, we get a super UI in the future that lets you shop and just shows all the prices from all stores and then loads it in a super UI. The only argument against this is just people digitally captured on Steam that want the monopoly because they are bought into Steam and refuse to think of anything beyond themselves.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Sony yes, Microsoft lol.

Edit wait, what did I just read in the OP

Edit 2:

 

[lastmessiah]

I've noticed there are a lot of...um, "special needs" posters here who don't understand what a monopoly is.

 

[winjer]

 

[AREYOUOKAY?]

Epic.

 

[Plague Doctor]

 

[memoryman3]

I've noticed there a lot of...um, "special needs" posters here who don't understand what a monopoly is.

In the US it's defined by market power.

Courts do not require a literal monopoly before applying rules for single firm conduct; that term is used as shorthand for a firm with significant and durable market power — that is, the long term ability to raise price or exclude competitors. That is how that term is used here: a "monopolist" is a firm with significant and durable market power.

The FTC defines it as a firm having more than 50% of the share. This would make Sony a monopoly in the console market, and Valve a monopoly in the PC market.

 

[daninthemix]

Thank goodness every random forum numbskull has zero effect on the actual state of the games industry.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Consoles concept needs to die. The sooner the better. People being trapped in a walled garden is causing anxiety.

 

[Solarstrike]

How dare you

 

[BennyBlanco]

 

[StueyDuck]

Steam is not a monopoly nor will it be...

Its just the best service provider in a free market and companies see money to be made on that service.

Steam are not doing anything to prevent competition

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

If MS does this their studios simply close lol.

(ironically i can see that happening over the next 10 years as well)

 

[Ar¢tos]

In the US it's defined by market power.



The FTC defines it as a firm having more than 50% of the share. This would make Sony a monopoly in the console market, and Valve a monopoly in the PC market.

You realise that a monopoly created by customer preference is perfectly legal?

It's not the same as becoming a monopoly by buying competition or undermining competition.

 

[Punished Miku]

If MS does this their studios simply close lol.

Sounds healthy for the industry. Or Valve bans your game and you simply close. Pretty cool.

Remember to donate to GoG so they don't simply close. #ChristmasCharity

 

[Mayar]

Who Killed memoryman3

P.S - The end consumer only benefits from the fact that games reach a larger market.

 

[memoryman3]

Steam is not a monopoly nor will it be...

Its just the best service provider in a free market and companies see money to be made on that service.

Steam are not doing anything to prevent competition

Steam's library management features being tied to the storefront basically prevents any meaningful competition from ever forming unless they pursue aggressive tactics like storefront exclusivity and giving away free games. And even that might not be enough. The Microsoft Store is poised to best Steam on flexibility thanks to integrated cloud gaming and a lack of launcher dependency, but people still want Steam for the decades of games built only for their store.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Who Killed memoryman3

P.S - The end consumer only benefits from the fact that games reach a larger market.

Why would Gaben do this!

 

[Mister Wolf]

No. They should stagger their releases to Steam. At least a year.

 

[Topher]

I've rarely read an OP where the entirety of it is wrong/incorrect. But this is one of those moments.

The Thread

 

[Mayar]

Why would Gaben do this!

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[Cakeboxer]

 

[RCX]

Microsoft no longer really need Steam if they are doing PS5/Switch 2 releases now - their own store has massively improved since 2017.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

I'd like Steam to become the default location for all games, if not at first, eventually.
Even if it's a generation behind. Could you imagine all xbox, ps, and nintendo games on Steam up until 2020?

All of this is a terrible idea...imagine one storefront and that's it. No competition, no nothing lol.

We all know how that works.

 

[Durin]

I will forever be puzzled why I hear so much about Steam being a monopoly, when they're the only one operating a store on an open platform, and the consoles are a generation or two away from killing off physical games...so they will truly be the digital store monopolies on their closed boxes.

Well except Microsoft, because they're retreating to Windows where they'll have to compete with Steam directly.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

All of this is a terrible idea...imagine one storefront and that's it. No competition, no nothing lol.

We all know how that works.

That's why I said a generation behind. More of a single store to keep games alive long after console systems die. PS3s are not gonna last forever. The alternative is paying a subscription to the cloud.

 

[Sakura]

And allow Valve to apply a 30% tariff on all gaming to fund a fleet of yachts?

You realise Sony MS and Nintendo take 30% as well right?

 

[AREYOUOKAY?]

Steam is not a monopoly nor will it be...

Its just the best service provider in a free market and companies see money to be made on that service.

Steam are not doing anything to prevent competition

The competition can't compete with them no matter how hard they try. It's the PC equivalent of the Nintendo Gameboy vs. other handhelds like the Game Gear, Wonderswan, Neo Geo Pocket, ect.

 

[Punished Miku]

Publishing: Does nothing
Game development: Does nothing
Discounts / Free Games / Rewards points: Does nothing
Investing in Game preservation: Does nothing
Lowering payments required for developers like Epic and MS Store: Does nothing
Using their vast wealth to open new studios, hire more developers, expand: Does nothing, barely employs a few hundred people
Game Engine Development: Does nothing

 

[adamsapple]

If they don't like money, sure.

 

[StueyDuck]

Steam's library management features being tied to the storefront basically prevents any meaningful competition from ever forming unless they pursue aggressive tactics like storefront exclusivity and giving away free games. And even that might not be enough. The Microsoft Store is poised to best Steam on flexibility thanks to integrated cloud gaming and a lack of launcher dependency, but people still want Steam for the decades of games built only for their store.

Steam isn't doing anything to prevent competition, they arent buying up any of their competitors, they arent forcing devs to stay on their platform they arent doing anything besides saying

You can sell your game here if you want.

 

[StueyDuck]

The competition can't compete with them no matter how hard they try. It's the PC equivalent of the Nintendo Gameboy vs. other handhelds like the Game Gear, Wonderswan, Neo Geo Pocket, ect.

It still isn't a monopoly...