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[RM8]

wheres the xperia

nerds tell me its the best and i should dump my iphone 5s for it

They're good phones, don't let the fanbase make you think otherwise

 

[markot]

Nokia sold it. They didn't do that cause they thought it would be profitable soon.

 

[SRG01]

wow, I didn't realize Samsung was so thoroughly slaughtering the other Android competition.

It's because they offer a decent experience at many price points. They're also a behemoth when it comes to manufacturing.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Sounds awfully confusing and time consuming.. as long as you like it though.

Typed on a Windows Phone, stock rom. Easy.

Don't forget to eat sleep and shit.

there's an app for that now too.

 

[kharma45]

It's because they offer a decent experience at many price points. They're also a behemoth when it comes to manufacturing.

And they market their devices well.

 

[Ryck]

Waiting on that 525. So sick of Android.

I am as well... but I am sick of ios lol.

Any idea when the 525 comes out?

 

[kharma45]

I am as well... but I am sick of ios lol.

Any idea when the 525 comes out?

I saw early December being touted for it.

 

[Ryck]

Oh wow that is soon. Almost picked up a 520 recently, guess I'll wait a bit for the 525.

 

[kharma45]

It's only a rumour mind.

 

[Raistlin]

Well considering it's missing the features that define Android, like multiple homescreens, 3rd party keyboards and widgets, I don't know how you can say that with a straight face. In fact, WP8, on the whole, is pretty uncustomizable(like, you guessed it, iOS) whereas Android you can change pretty much every aspect of it.

If my opinion is "objectively" incorrect, I'd like you to back that claim up.

The home screen can be customized to have any of 3 tile size. These 'live tiles' act similar to Android widgets in that they can show live data.

Apps developers can offer multiple tiles for a given app. The can essentially link to any part of the app, and therefore show specific data.

WP offers 'hubs' for certain activities, etc. These integrate features, information, and the like across multiple services. In general, MS has been going for less button clicks, etc to get at things.

iOS has only recently started integrating things together. For example Twitter, Facebook, etc have all been fully integrated into the People Hub (and your own Me app) since WP7. iOS is by many seen as an app launcher, and is only now starting to do more integration of services. WP, from the start has tried to do that.


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[Bob Dobalina]

The home screen can be customized to have any of 3 tile size. These 'live tiles' act similar to Android widgets in that they can show live data.

Apps developers can offer multiple tiles for a given app. The can essentially link to any part of the app, and therefore show specific data.

WP offers 'hubs' for certain activities, etc. These integrate features, information, and the like across multiple services. In general, MS has been going for less button clicks, etc to get at things.

iOS has only recently started integrating things together. For example Twitter, Facebook, etc have all been fully integrated into the People Hub (and your own Me app) since WP7. iOS is by many seen as an app launcher, and is only now starting to do more integration of services. WP, from the start has tried to do that.


etc

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I personally feel than iOS and WP have more in common when you look at how closed down the platforms are-amusingly, Microsoft has gone even further than Apple in this space.

Widgets and live tiles do have a lot in common though, and as someone who doesn't use many widgets, if any, live tiles seem very useful in terms of size and orientation. Nearly anything I would need to use a widget for is accomplished by the notification shade in Android.

 

[BertramCooper]

HTC deserves better. The HTC One is a fantastic device, and I'm confused why it didn't cut into the Galaxy S line's share at all. Bad marketing? Maybe. But dang, the hardware is all kinds of great.

HTC has done an inexcusably poor job providing their users with timely software updates.

They deserve to fail, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[reaver18]

I was very close to buying a lot of Nokia stock last October..................

 

[Cipherr]

I personally feel than iOS and WP have more in common when you look at how closed down the platforms are-amusingly, Microsoft has gone even further than Apple in this space.

Widgets and live tiles do have a lot in common though, and as someone who doesn't use many widgets, if any, live tiles seem very useful in terms of size and orientation. Nearly anything I would need to use a widget for is accomplished by the notification shade in Android.

Its not even close really. WP is absolutely closer to iOS in terms of its platform design and everything. It over the years has always been more appealing to the people who like the intricacies of iOS more than it has the people that like the abilities of Android.

You can nitpick a feature here or there and find them in common, but the overall feel is very similar to iOS. These days it doesnt even have the OEM variety in common with Android anymore. If you are buying a WP8 phone, its extremely likely its made by Nokia (who is now Microsoft).

 

[SirMossyBloke]

HTC has done an inexcusably poor job providing their users with timely software updates.

They deserve to fail, as far as I'm concerned.

Yet who had 4.3 first?

Yeah.

 

[terrisus]

So, time to bring back the N-Gage?

 

[Cipherr]

Yet who had 4.3 first?

Yeah.

Yeah but...

That was a first.

When you want to build brand loyalty it takes a long stretch of time. They were awful in the years prior; it has taken them falling from grace to losses to finally finally wake up and do whats right.

They were reluctant to give a shit until forced to. That's nothing to brag about.

 

[SirMossyBloke]

Yeah but...

That was a first.

When you want to build brand loyalty it takes a long stretch of time. They were awful in the years prior; it has taken them falling from grace to losses to finally finally wake up and do whats right.

They were reluctant to give a shit until forced to. That's nothing to brag about.

So what you're saying is they've greatly improved that, but let's just ignore it.

You're only as good as you last game, as they say.

 

[GTP_Daverytimes]

Poor Sony doesn't even get it's own colour

They have Zero presence in the US, Europe and Asia however are a different story.

 

[BertramCooper]

So what you're saying is they've greatly improved that, but let's just ignore it.

You're only as good as you last game, as they say.

That maxim isn't very applicable when it comes to building brand loyalty.

It's a marathon, not a sprint.

 

[The Faceless Master]

So what you're saying is they've greatly improved that, but let's just ignore it.

You're only as good as you last game, as they say.

they greatly improved that in the past what... six weeks? well what about the six years prior?

 

[hadareud]

they greatly improved that in the past what... six weeks? well what about the six years prior?

I'm not sure what sort of a point that is.

"Yeah they've improved, but it doesn't count because before they've improved they didn't improve". How does that make sense.

Also, I think it's fair to say that the improvement didn't just start to happen six weeks ago. Since the release of WP8 they have grown their market share world wide considerably, just took a bit longer in the US.

 

[Cipherr]

So what you're saying is they've greatly improved that, but let's just ignore it.

You're only as good as you last game, as they say.

I'm not sure what sort of a point that is.

"Yeah they've improved, but it doesn't count because before they've improved they didn't improve". How does that make sense.

It makes sense because before someone buys a product from you, they consider your history before trying to project what to expect from you in the future.

Take note of the word 'history' and realize that it consists of more than just a single data point. It takes into consideration multiple points in time. When that entire timeline consists of absolute crap, with the exception being the most recent which shows promise, it still doesn't bode well overall for confidence. I have given HTC all the credit in the world. The One is the best designed phone of 2013 IMO by a mile, their displays are the best, and their latest update to 4.3 beat everyone. They are also promising 4.4 to a lot of their devices within 90 days. That's an amazing year and an amazing start. But at this point thats all it is, a start. Give people another year of that and you will start to change minds.

 

[w1ck3dn1nj4]

It's for development purposes(?). It's not limited to one phone(?).

I was referring to the limitations of the free element. Anyone can register for a “developer by name, sideloader by game” account. Doing so entitles you to two sideloads on one phone (this is perhaps what you misunderstood?) Of course, if you pony up, it’ll be a slightly more compassionate story, but nevertheless the underlying message from MS at the end of the day is still “Fuck You Pay Me” ;-)

 

[hadareud]

It makes sense because before someone buys a product from you, they consider your history before trying to project what to expect from you in the future.

Take note of the word 'history' and realize that it consists of more than just a single data point. It takes into consideration multiple points in time. When that entire timeline consists of absolute crap, with the exception being the most recent which shows promise, it still doesn't bode well overall for confidence. I have given HTC all the credit in the world. The One is the best designed phone of 2013 IMO by a mile, their displays are the best, and their latest update to 4.3 beat everyone. They are also promising 4.4 to a lot of their devices within 90 days. That's an amazing year and an amazing start. But at this point thats all it is, a start. Give people another year of that and you will start to change minds.

You know, it it might have been advantageous to actually read the posts I was replying to.

Apologies to you and Faceless, I was talking about something else entirely.

 

[kurtrussell]

Nokia became the fourth largest smartphone brand capturing a record high 4% market share

Poor Nokia. That could have been 5% if they'd gone with Android.

Regardless, it'll be back to around 1% or so in Q4 with the launch of the Nexus 5. If you only gain a couple of % when you launch a competitively priced flagship phone in a quarter where you're relatively unopposed, you got major problems.

 

[Krabardaf]

Sad for HTC, their phones are so immensely better than Samsung.
And I thought Sony was doing great, where are they?

Otherwise nice to see Nokia catching up.

 

[thesoapster]

Android has an A+ UI on phones

Pure, sure. Otherwise fuck no (saying this as a sad TouchWiz user who thanks to fucking Verizon cannot flash a clean ROM).

 

[Subitai]

Wonder how the 1520 coming out on next Friday w/ AT&T will help things.

Pure, sure. Otherwise fuck no (saying this as a sad TouchWiz user who thanks to fucking Verizon cannot flash a clean ROM).

Why hasn't google tightened things up a little with the OS in terms of keeping it more pure?

 

[maeh2k]

Wonder how the 1520 coming out on next Friday w/ AT&T will help things.

It won't. It'll have zero impact on sales and market share. High-end Windows Phones don't sell. This will be similar to the 1020.
It's the low-end phones that sell like the 520 and 521. Even the 525, while more important, won't change much, since it's not that different from the 520.
With Android 4.4 targeting low-end phones Windows Phone market share might even go down at some point.

 

[Bob Dobalina]

It won't. It'll have zero impact on sales and market share. High-end Windows Phones don't sell. This will be similar to the 1020.
It's the low-end phones that sell like the 520 and 521. Even the 525, while more important, won't change much, since it's not that different from the 520.
With Android 4.4 targeting low-end phones Windows Phone market share might even go down at some point.

you are such a debbie downer now

 

[RottenTanuki]

I like Nokia's Lumia line a lot. My gripe has always been with Microsoft themselves. It's understandable that third parties may see it as a bad return on investment to develop for Windows Phone because of the lower install base, but Microsoft themselves should have really stepped it up and filled in the gaps in apps.

 

[Penguins&PolarBears]

It won't. It'll have zero impact on sales and market share. High-end Windows Phones don't sell. This will be similar to the 1020.
It's the low-end phones that sell like the 520 and 521. Even the 525, while more important, won't change much, since it's not that different from the 520.
With Android 4.4 targeting low-end phones Windows Phone market share might even go down at some point.

They are selling the Lumia 1520 off-contract for $550. That is pretty damn cheap for a high end phone with 6" display and 1080p resolution. $200 on contract also makes the Lumia 1520 significantly cheaper than the alternative Samsung Galaxy Note at $300.

They may not sell as well as a $100 phone (Android doesn't either), but the 920 sold well. Nokia's high-end phones are often in the top 3 best selling on AT&T.

I don't think market share will go down for WP. The Asha family of phones are going to get transitioned into the WP ecosystem and bridge the gap for many countries from feature phone to smartphone. Microsoft will bundle all of it's software and services on Asha, get those customers in the ecosystem (Windows Store apps: Skydrive, Xbox, Office, Skype, Here, IE) and then move those customers to the low end Lumia's.

 

[kharma45]

I like Nokia's Lumia line a lot. My gripe has always been with Microsoft themselves. It's understandable that third parties may see it as a bad return on investment to develop for Windows Phone because of the lower install base, but Microsoft themselves should have really stepped it up and filled in the gaps in apps.

They've tried in places, like YouTube, but that didn't go too well.