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Silent Hill HD Collection |OT| Programmed in Smoke Signals
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kunonabi
Member
the hanging bodies change is ridiculous. How does this debacle keep getting worse?
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
They removed the hanging bodies? Why? Goddamn. No wonder Amazon US stopped selling this.
Now I'm actually really glad that neither SH nor SH4 were subjected to what basically amounts to artistic rape.
kunonabi
Member
Pretty much. I just find the whole situation hilarious now. The complete ineptitude in porting the game over, the useless patch, lackluster and unnecessary new voice work and direction, script changes, the insanity of redoing the score, removing objects from the environment, glitches galore, etc. is just amazing at this point.
I'd say that the ports looked like they were developed by a bunch of chimps but that would be insulting to the chimps.
I think that they did release a updated version on PSN.
Tylahedras
Banned
Man, I sold my PS2 copies when I heard about this collection and now I am gonna have to re-buy them, lame.
kunonabi
Member
I'm sure that collection will be fine since Kojima is involved. SH has nobody of merit to oversee the series anymore.
At this rate it's not even out of the question that it'll get recalled, and may become a collectors item! You could sell it on ebay for major $$$$$$$$.
TheJollyCorner
Member
lol... I've seen this gif for years and I still don't know what it's from.
At this rate it's not even out of the question that it'll get recalled, and may become a collectors item! You could sell it on ebay for major $$$$$$$$.
I am steamed.
I'll never fucking blindly buy another game for a good while.
Fucking hell
Fantastical
Death Prophet
I appreciate the effort and information, but why did they use the smallest screenshots ever?
Mr. Enigma
Member
Wow. WHY would you do that?
indigo-cyclops
Member
I think this whole bullshit debacle has a place; the originals were masterpieces, plain and simple. It furthers the argument that video games are an art-form. I would be devastated if I had a hand in these games and saw what happened to both of the games. Utter shame. I'm sure I'm not the first person to make this point, but it's worth mentioning again.
Won't even take these games for free.
Won't even take these games for free.
But wait, there's more!
http://alchemillahospital.net/differences-in-hd-collection-pt-1/
Why the fuck did the change the miles on the signs?
http://alchemillahospital.net/differences-in-hd-collection-pt-1/
Why the fuck did the change the miles on the signs?
Mr. Enigma
Member
Which is probably why Hulett isn't posting here anymore. He's probably drowning in tears knowing that he had a hand in fucking up SH2 and SH3 badly.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
It has not been fixed. I played it last week. Anytime Harry or any character would say a one word line the audio would cut out. Then my gunshots stopped making noise for a while and then at one point a very loud noise started playing and I had to restart the game but it never happened again. These all happened for me late in the game too. For a second I thought the no noise for the gunshot was a stylistic choice considering where I was in the game, but it wasn't.
Nothing huge, didn't ruin my experience but annoying.
I am steamed.
I'll never fucking blindly buy another game for a good while.
Fucking hell
There's the rub. This wasn't a blind buy for a great majority of the gaming public, and the two games are held in such high regard that even newcomers felt safe in purchasing this collection. At this point there's a general understanding between developer and player of what an "HD Collection" consists of: two or three beloved last gen titles, rendered at least in 720p, framerate locked in at least at 30fps, and maybe a few current gen tweaks to enhance the visuals (lighting, textures, 3D, etc). What Konami and Hijinx have done here is a gross breach of trust.
It was for me, the only thing I knew was the box art and the fact it was in "HD" I didn't see screens or anything, for all I knew I was getting a shitty port.
And low and behold, the cards failed me and my luck crapped out.
Palindromes (Todd Solondz, 2004)!
TheJollyCorner
Member
Hijinx...
what a perfect name for this shitty dev. @_@
oh, and thanks PolishQ.
what a perfect name for this shitty dev. @_@
oh, and thanks PolishQ.
kunonabi
Member
The random ass developer, new voice work+music and omission of SH and SH4 should have been pretty obvious indicators as to where this was going to go. I didn't think it would be this abysmal but I still didn't see anything going for it and the early vids didn't instill much trust either.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
What the.. Why change such a completely random thing?
kunonabi
Member
The people working on the series think they know Silent Hill better than the original teams. This was evident with Origins, SM, and Hulett's attitude towards the scripts, voices, and possibly the shuffled music if he had any hand in that.
I don't care who it is, or even if it's the same person, but the man/men/humans responsible for the HD Collection and Book of Memories have no right working with this property. Ill conceived, planned and executed on all fronts. I think Downpour is a great entry in the series, but it'll be overshadowed by all this other mess at once and probably set back the franchise for awhile unless sales of Downpour turn out well somehow. Just a shame.
kunonabi
Member
It is funny how a semi decent SH game finally comes out only to be buried by this hack job. Book of Memories could at least be a good game even if it is a terrible fit for the series.
Sad thing is considering how cheaply this collection was made I doubt Konami will lose any money which is they only thing they pay any attention to.
So;
for SH2:
for SH3
Seriously, they need to pull this immediately and fix all of this mess.
I wonder why Tomm Hullett or whoever in charge didn't strongly protest against this (e.g. threat of resignation), because no sensible person familiar with Silent Hill would have their name associated with this shit.
for SH2:
- Hanging bodies removed (WHAT THE FUCK?)
- Altered signs with different miles somehow
- road textures completely ruined
- Boatride obliterated
- Random lack of lip sync
- who knows what else?
for SH3
- no original voices
- changed script and lines (for no fucking reason)
- changed audio (for no fucking reason other than putting their mark on it)
- missing fog
- lack of lip sync
- atrocious framerate
- missing textures
- lack of dynamic shadows
Seriously, they need to pull this immediately and fix all of this mess.
I wonder why Tomm Hullett or whoever in charge didn't strongly protest against this (e.g. threat of resignation), because no sensible person familiar with Silent Hill would have their name associated with this shit.
kunonabi
Member
Hulett was all for the new voices and he changed the script himself. He is just as responsible for this mess as the rest of them. Hell, he might even be responsible for the music changes for all we know. Hulett has never really shown this appreciation and reverence for the series that people keep attributing to him.
Mr. Enigma
Member
There's also an audio error in the prison of SH2. If you go into the women's bathroom and knock on the bathroom stall, James walks back to the main door and you're supposed to hear a woman scream along with a crash.
In HD? Nope, nothing.
What's even worse about the changed script in SH3 is that the subtitles weren't changed and still have the old text. Purely amateur hour bullshit.
In HD? Nope, nothing.
What's even worse about the changed script in SH3 is that the subtitles weren't changed and still have the old text. Purely amateur hour bullshit.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
I appreciate the effort and information, but why did they use the smallest screenshots ever?
Click them.
Come on people. Changing that sign was one of the good changes.
10 miles? Sure. But Old Silent Hill is 40 miles from the edge of Paleville? Wat? And Brahms being 265 miles away? Holy crap.
Now, a real issue you can have is: while they were busy fixing this sign, why on earth did they make Old Silent Hill closer than Paleville? Old Silent Hill is IN Paleville!
10 miles? Sure. But Old Silent Hill is 40 miles from the edge of Paleville? Wat? And Brahms being 265 miles away? Holy crap.
Now, a real issue you can have is: while they were busy fixing this sign, why on earth did they make Old Silent Hill closer than Paleville? Old Silent Hill is IN Paleville!
Fuck him then. Changing the script for no reason other than to put his own mark on the thing simply indicates a guy wanting to free-ride other artists' work. Whether or not Jeremy Blaustein approved the changes, the original content (word for word) should be there, because I do not care about little change-ups that Tomm fucking Hullett considers to be superior to the original.
A pretty despicable and selfish act, imo. It has never been his call to make, yet he went on and did it.
TheJollyCorner
Member
Come on people. Changing that sign was one of the good changes.
10 miles? Sure. But Old Silent Hill is 40 miles from the edge of Paleville? Wat? And Brahams being 265 miles away? Holy crap.
Now, a real issue you can have is: while they were busy fixing this sign, why on earth did they make Old Silent Hill closer than Paleville? Old Silent Hill is IN Paleville!
Man... Cybil was on her motorcycle for a long ass time considering how far Brahms is
Melchiah
Member
When I played SH2 for the first time, I was waiting to see the Amusement Park that's mentioned in the map, and was truly disappointed when it wasn't featured in the game.
At least they made up for it in spades with SH3!
echoshifting
Banned
Still nothing on a patch? =/
I will still buy this if you bring it up to a reasonable standard, Konami. I can't be alone in waiting to see if they are going to rectify this.
I will still buy this if you bring it up to a reasonable standard, Konami. I can't be alone in waiting to see if they are going to rectify this.
Melchiah
Member
Thankfully!
The patch already came out! (didn't work, lol)
TheJollyCorner
Member
I'd love to see a map that emcompasses SH1-3, SH4 (South Ashfield), Homecoming (Shepherd's Glen), and Downpour (the...errr...east side of Toluca Lake?)
While I understand why Tomm wanted to change the "despoiled" part and "I'll kill you, bitch!" (though I don't agree with the changes), I have no idea why he thought changing "lousy taste" to "terrible taste" and "Shut your stinking mouth, bitch!" to "Shut your mouth, you stinking bitch!" was necessary. Especially the latter seems so random.
There is a map that incorporates Downpour's section, which highlights how stupid it is to keep tacking on new sections on different parts of the lake. You're never going to see one with Ashfield because Ashfield is a city half a day's drive from Silent Hill and it has no map.
TheJollyCorner
Member
Ahhhhhhhh. I thought South Ashfield was like right on the outskirts. That makes sense now.
Toluca Lake- the hidden 'great lake' of the USA?
Snapshot King
Member
So...where's the map? I wanna see it!