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Simon Kinberg in talks to direct X-Men Dark Phoenix saga movie
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This isn't going to happen, stop teasing his fan.
Parallax got to have some hope
DaytimeWhiskey
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This isn't going to happen, stop teasing his fan.
Yeah! Leave me alone!
X-Men: The Last Stand 2: The Dark Pheonix Saga Part 1 of 3
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You give me hope Justin Lin will end up directing this.I'm sure this will go as well as Robert Orci's directorial debut on Star Trek XIII, and Alex Kurtzman's directorial debut on Venom.
Discotheque
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I'm sure this will go as well as Robert Orci's directorial debut on Star Trek XIII, and Alex Kurtzman's directorial debut on Venom.
kurtzman moved on to something better in The Mummy anyways. looks like a supernatural mission impossible flick. hopefully it's not trash, i'm one of 4 people actually hoping the best for that universal monsters idea.
George Oscar Bluth II
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lol
They should give the right back to DC. ;p
Agreed, I keep forgetting that I watched Apocalypse but yet can remember watching Deadpool, Civil War, Doctor Strange and the DC movies.
Much better than Apocalypse.
Apocalypse would be laughable if it wasn't so boring.
Agreed, I keep forgetting that I watched Apocalypse but yet can remember watching Deadpool, Civil War, Doctor Strange and the DC movies.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Just set fire to a fucking trash can and film it for 2 hours with Jackman wandering by at the 1 hour 50 minute mark to say "Kinbergs script in there?" out loud.
kurtzman moved on to something better in The Mummy anyways. looks like a supernatural mission impossible flick. hopefully it's not trash, i'm one of 4 people actually hoping the best for that universal monsters idea.
Well, even if it does turn out to be trash, at least he's ruining a brand new cinematic universe (that no one asked for) rather than (further) damaging an existing franchise brand!
Freeza Under The Shower
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I'm sure this will go as well as Robert Orci's directorial debut on Star Trek XIII, and Alex Kurtzman's directorial debut on Venom.
these came to my mind as well.
Bobby Roberts
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Just set fire to a fucking trash can and film it for 2 hours with Jackman wandering by at the 1 hour 50 minute mark to say "Kinbergs script in there?" out loud.
This made me laugh. I heard Jackman in my head.
imagine an alternate universe summer where Venom, Gambit, and the Sinister Six actually came out
Is that the same universe where there was no Sony hack, Amy Pascal still runs Sony Pictures, and Hillary Clinton is president?
Don't forget that Aunt May film and the "untitled female superhero Spider-Man" movie either!imagine an alternate universe summer where Venom, Gambit, and the Sinister Six actually came out
SCULLIBUNDO
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Kinberg is the weak leak of the current crop of films. His script for Apocalypse was the problem. Not Singer.
Is that the same universe where there was no Sony hack, Amy Pascal still runs Sony Pictures, and Hillary Clinton is president?
are you saying there's a universe where Trump isn't president but Spider-Man isn't part of the MCU? I've never been so conflicted
How about Mister Sinister and the Nasty Boys?imagine an alternate universe summer where Venom, Gambit, and the Sinister Six actually came out
I could go for this. Could be done tight and cheap, with some strong dark overtones that are actually scary and not just edgelord.They could save a lot of money, make a much tighter film, and introduce a lot of new faces by doing the Mutant Massacre instead.
But who needs Sinister, Sabretooth, the Morlocks, Gambit, Wolverine, and X Factor when you can do another nerfed Phoenix story?
What makes the Phoenix saga such an iconic event for the X-men is the incredibly long build up and payoff that had cosmic consequences and affects each character differently, and fundamentally changes the direction of the team to come. It's not just about Jean being the host for some spectacular power. It's not an isolated event. You can't shove all that in one movie.
Last Stand fucked it up. Apocalypse fucked it up.
Last Stand fucked it up. Apocalypse fucked it up.
Kinberg is the weak leak of the current crop of films. His script for Apocalypse was the problem. Not Singer.
What I don't understand is how Kinberg got into the position he did. Singer directed 3 X-men films before that, has a proven track record, made the franchise what it is in films. Kinberg is.... who? How did he become such a powerful writer-producer in multiple franchises across multiple studios?
Having a scruffy convoluted mess of conflicting timelines, contradictions and retcons is one of the best things the films have done to honour the comics.At this point is it impossible to coherently make sense of the X-Men cinematic universe timeline?
It's like they keep trying to tie them together but the blocks don't match up.
It is perfectly possible to do the Dark Phoenix in one movie. They've already done the buildup to Jean getting the Phoenix's power in Apocalypse, so that's covered.What makes the Phoenix saga such an iconic event for the X-men is the incredibly long build up and payoff that had cosmic consequences and affects each character differently, and fundamentally changes the direction of the team to come. It's not just about Jean being the host for some spectacular power. It's not an isolated event. You can't shove all that in one movie.
The problem with The Last Stand was cramming the movie full of other stuff rather than focusing on one plot or the other.
I'm sure this will go as well as Robert Orci's directorial debut on Star Trek XIII, and Alex Kurtzman's directorial debut on Venom.
Wow, lots of writers getting to direct. That's pretty interesting.
At this point is it impossible to coherently make sense of the X-Men cinematic universe timeline?
It's like they keep trying to tie them together but the blocks don't match up.
First Class -> DOFP -> Apocalypse -> Supernova (?) -> Deadpool -> DOFP epilogue -> Logan
The older ones are erased. Though some version of those movies must have still happened in the new timeline.
Logan is basically an Elseworlds story, according to the creators, but otherwise that's correct.First Class -> DOFP -> Apocalypse -> Supernova (?) -> Deadpool -> DOFP epilogue -> Logan
The older ones are erased. Though some version of those movies must have still happened in the new timeline.
it can't be worse than Apocalypse right?
he wrote that one, and has never directed. take a guess
Freeza Under The Shower
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What I don't understand is how Kinberg got into the position he did. Singer directed 3 X-men films before that, has a proven track record, made the franchise what it is in films. Kinberg is.... who? How did he become such a powerful writer-producer in multiple franchises across multiple studios?
His father was a producer, apparently. Good old nepotism to the rescue (I suspect).
Also, money matters, not quality. So far, if we ignore the duds he script doctored, he has avoided being the unlucky fool and continues on being the lucky kind.
It's kind of weird how similar Hollywood is to investor cycles: a lot of really good directors were wiped out going from the 90s to the 00s, and the newer ones are only good at avoiding duds, not being good at the craft. The next shift will wipe them out too, most likely.
First Class -> DOFP -> Apocalypse -> Supernova (?) -> Deadpool -> DOFP epilogue -> Logan
The older ones are erased. Though some version of those movies must have still happened in the new timeline.
This is what I'm talking about. What did we keep, and what did we erase?
So where does The Wolverine fit into all this? Sometime before Deadpool?
What confuses me is In the epilogue old Prof X & Magneto confront him. Wolvie says "You're alive" referring to his death in "The Last Stand." It's an obvious tease for DOTFP.
illmatic22
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I was kinda hoping they'd go with a completely different creative group. Kinberg of all people?
Also, stop trying to make Dark Phoenix happen.
Also, stop trying to make Dark Phoenix happen.
AuthenticM
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I watched Apocalypse with my girl this past week-end.
It's fine. The hate is overblown. X-Men 3 The Last Stand was worse, so was Origins.
The Wolverine is in the old timeline. When Old Prof & Magneto greet him at the airport, it's setting up the events of Days of Future Past, which is the movie that retconned out the old timeline. As for why Old Prof X was alive at the end of The Wolverine and in DoFP, I have no idea. I think this was just Singer not giving a shit about the continuity of The Last Stand.
It's fine. The hate is overblown. X-Men 3 The Last Stand was worse, so was Origins.
This is what I'm talking about. What did we keep, and what did we erase?
So where does The Wolverine fit into all this? Sometime before Deadpool?
What confuses me is In the epilogue old Prof X & Magneto confront him. Wolvie says "You're alive" referring to his death in "The Last Stand." It's an obvious tease for DOTFP.
The Wolverine is in the old timeline. When Old Prof & Magneto greet him at the airport, it's setting up the events of Days of Future Past, which is the movie that retconned out the old timeline. As for why Old Prof X was alive at the end of The Wolverine and in DoFP, I have no idea. I think this was just Singer not giving a shit about the continuity of The Last Stand.
echoshifting
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Expecting a pretty spectacular train wreck at this point
This is what I'm talking about. What did we keep, and what did we erase?
So where does The Wolverine fit into all this? Sometime before Deadpool?
What confuses me is In the epilogue old Prof X & Magneto confront him. Wolvie says "You're alive" referring to his death in "The Last Stand." It's an obvious tease for DOTFP.
the beauty of what they did with DOFP is that whatever they want can be different and they don't have to explain shit
The Wolverine did occur before DOFP's future timeline, but it, along with all the other post-FC movies, were revised.This is what I'm talking about. What did we keep, and what did we erase?
So where does The Wolverine fit into all this? Sometime before Deadpool?
What confuses me is In the epilogue old Prof X & Magneto confront him. Wolvie says "You're alive" referring to his death in "The Last Stand." It's an obvious tease for DOTFP.
I don't know how events played out in the revised timeline, but it's not like it really matters, since we're never revisiting that period. It's basically a pre/post-Crisis situation.
Rastafarian42
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They could save a lot of money, make a much tighter film, and introduce a lot of new faces by doing the Mutant Massacre instead.
But who needs Sinister, Sabretooth, the Morlocks, Gambit, Wolverine, and X Factor when you can do another nerfed Phoenix story?
smh this makes so much sense not surprised they wouldn't do it. Tbh we need a reboot after Logan.
Why would that be a much tighter film? You just reeled off a bunch more characters they'd need to introduce, whereas the key players in the Phoenix Saga, other than whoever they'll have in the Mastermind role, are already in place.They could save a lot of money, make a much tighter film, and introduce a lot of new faces by doing the Mutant Massacre instead.
But who needs Sinister, Sabretooth, the Morlocks, Gambit, Wolverine, and X Factor when you can do another nerfed Phoenix story?
SilentSoldier
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I think they should just leave the Phoenix alone, they're never going to do it justice. I had such high hopes for it too considering how X-2 ended. Same goes with Spiderman and Venom
SCULLIBUNDO
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Dude already tackled the Phoenix when he wrote X3. Then he pulled that same Phoenix bullshit in Apocalypse.
thehypocrite
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