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Fixed2BeBroken said:
spike maybe you can answer this
what is the deal with Manute. i dont know if big fat kill comes before or after to hell and back but EITHER WAY.....Manute is alive and Dies in Both....WTF?!
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Really? I only got up to issue #3 or 4, and all I remember is
Wallace putting Manute through a window, just like Manute did to Dwight in A Dame to Kill For.
There's some confusion about when Hell and Back takes place, but I've always figured it stood between The Hard Goodbye and The Big Fat Kill.

1. That Yellow Bastard
2. A Dame to Kill For (overlaps with #3 at the end)
3. The Hard Goodbye (see above)
4. Hell and Back
5. The Big Fat Kill
6. Family Values
 
Zelda-Bitch said:
I bet you suck as a person. :)
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:lol Hey, I went in expecting nothing short of brilliant.

And my opinion isn't that uncommon, go read some of the yahoo movie reviews. Mine seems polite afterwards:p
 
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I'm sorry, but how the hell does a silent ninja prostitute fit into this movie? I was really into the movie up till she showed up, and it's just too much. Murphy on the other hand was an annoying loudmouth sack of tits. How could she be bad at that?

Actually now that I think about it, I wasn't loving Frodo or the yellow bastard either. Yellow Bastard ended up being pretty cool, but Frodo is way too fucking random. I couldn't tell if he was a vampire/werewolf/whatever the hell. I'm guessing from what I've read here he's just a nutjob, but that's really not what I was getting from the movie. All three of em, Miho, Frodo, and YB didn't really fit in with the rest of the movie to me. Everyone else is at pretty believable and blends in with sin city. They just really reminded me that this was a comic book movie.

I guess I'm just out on this, people I saw this with absolutely loved Frodo.
 
A ninja prostiute took you out of the movie, but oh 50,000 or so other bizarre things in the movie didn't?

Just go with it, man. Obviously this is a highly stylized world.
 
It's so bloody unique...

Damn, it's great.

Anyone know where I can find some frames from the comics portrayed? I want to see how close it is.
 
Simo said:
Another interesting bit of info from the book was that Rodriguez also shot some pre-vis test footage from A Dame To Kill For and Booze, Broads and Bullets. The test shot from ADTKF actually ended up in the finished film at the end of That Yellow Bastard where...
Hartigan shoots himself. It's actually footage of Mort shooting himself.

Definately a must have if you're a fan of the comics and movie.
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OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, that explains why that scene doesnt quite look right.


Imo, they should have done ADTKF instead of BFK (i think i mentioned that already), its probably the best story out of all the books.

I also heard that they screen tested Johnny Depp for Wallace (Hell and Back), is there anything on that in the book?
 
Can someone go into detail about the motivations behind the ending of the truce by the "police" side and also the motivation behind killing the hookers by Hartnett's character and by Frodo (to eat their souls?)?

I know it's a stylized world and all and its not supposed to represent reality too closely, but I think the movie would've been received even better by non-comic fans if the main characters survived less absolute deaths (Willis' character taking like 10 bullets and still surviving? 1 or 2 bullets and still surviving later would've been easier to swallow for most, imo. What is he, 50 cent??)
 
sol5377 said:
Can someone go into detail about the motivations behind the ending of the truce by the "police" side...
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It wasn't the police that wanted to end the truce, it was the mafia so that they could regain control of Old Town. Manute is really just a big fucking asshole who wants a piece of the pie for himself.

... and also the motivation behind killing the hookers by Hartnett's character
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Josh Hartnett's character is a hitman. He is paid to knock off people.

... and by Frodo (to eat their souls?)?
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Kevin is just a sick fucking psycho. No more motivation than that.

I know it's a stylized world and all and its not supposed to represent reality too closely, but I think the movie would've been received even better by non-comic fans if the main characters survived less absolute deaths (Willis' character taking like 10 bullets and still surviving? 1 or 2 bullets and still surviving later would've been easier to swallow for most, imo. What is he, 50 cent??)
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Except that wouldn't have been Sin City. The movie is so damn faithful and I think everyone thanks Rodriguez and Miller for it.

I bought the soundtrack and Making Of book this morning.
 
LakeEarth said:
Holy CRAP did they really emulate the comic in the movie. Even the words are the same.
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yea man....its like geek heaven for the comic fans honestly....

a movie like this would never exist.....NEVER....but thanks to RR it does.

had he not did all he had did, this movie would have never been made, and this KIND of movie where they Actually go from comic to screen almost page to page would probably not exist as well.

spike,
eh yea he was thrown out the window, i guess it was just me assuming he died in that comic more than anything...so i guess it should be before big fatty kill

here is a Link to a Interview with Robert R. and Frank M. done by the one and only....Kevin smith..

its a really good interview too.

Click on the "Extended audio" part and listen to that since its just about Most of the whole interview

peace
 
Son of Godzilla said:
I'm sorry, but how the hell does a silent ninja prostitute fit into this movie? I was really into the movie up till she showed up, and it's just too much. Murphy on the other hand was an annoying loudmouth sack of tits. How could she be bad at that?

Actually now that I think about it, I wasn't loving Frodo or the yellow bastard either. Yellow Bastard ended up being pretty cool, but Frodo is way too fucking random. I couldn't tell if he was a vampire/werewolf/whatever the hell. I'm guessing from what I've read here he's just a nutjob, but that's really not what I was getting from the movie. All three of em, Miho, Frodo, and YB didn't really fit in with the rest of the movie to me. Everyone else is at pretty believable and blends in with sin city. They just really reminded me that this was a comic book movie.

I guess I'm just out on this, people I saw this with absolutely loved Frodo.
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You answered it yourself. It's called being based from a comic book. Comic books don't tend to be extremely realistic.
 
Red Scarlet said:
You answered it yourself. It's called being based from a comic book. Comic books don't tend to be extremely realistic.
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It's not the tone set up by the first few stories. Even Marv's story is believable compared to a japanese ninja hooker of doom.

I'm sorry, but something in my brain just clicks over into totally fucking stupid when shurikans get involved. Miho isn't that bad in her other scenes, but that first rooftop crap... bleh. It's easily the most awkward scene in the movie.
 
WATCH AS THE DEADLY MIHO WALKS ACROSS A ROOFTOP HOLDING A FUCKING SHURIKAN LIKE A CHEETOH

/TENSION

It would have been awesome if Dwight or whoever the hell just went down and busted Del Toro's ass. REWRITE AROUND MIHO PLS
 
Fuck no! Not only is it faithful, but Miho kicks ass. I'm sorry she's not 12, so you don't think she's awesome!
 
Frank Miller's Nauseatingly Erotic Assassins. They should have cast Murphy for that part too.

OMG THATS REALLY THE BEST IDEA EVER. And none of you can complain about it because artistic license!@!
 
The whole freaking movie rocks. The only scene I don't like is when the guy gets the arrow through the head, and is still living. But it's not like it ruins the entire movie or anything. Easily one of my favorite movies of all time.
 
Son of Godzilla said:
It's not the tone set up by the first few stories. Even Marv's story is believable compared to a japanese ninja hooker of doom.

I'm sorry, but something in my brain just clicks over into totally fucking stupid when shurikans get involved. Miho isn't that bad in her other scenes, but that first rooftop crap... bleh. It's easily the most awkward scene in the movie.
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"you fool...you Damn Fool!"





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miho >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> britney's acting
 
ToyMachine228 said:
The only scene I don't like is when the guy gets the arrow through the head, and is still living. But it's not like it ruins the entire movie or anything.
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Are you kidding? That was great!
 
He didn't live. It went through his head, he said something real quick and died.

That shit was hilarious.
 
Just saw this movie. I didn't know what to expect and it was great! I loved the way they put it all together, the mood of the film, the black&white "good and evil" to it all. Even the wife liked it!
 
That's a surprise. Any female that you can take to Sin City is definitely a keeper.

I plan on going again on Sunday. Support good cinema, yo!

I'm all bummed that I've got to wait until Monday until my soundtrack and Making Of book ship.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
1. That Yellow Bastard
2. A Dame to Kill For (overlaps with #3 at the end)
3. The Hard Goodbye (see above)
4. Hell and Back
5. The Big Fat Kill
6. Family Values
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Are you sure that's the order? I just started reading the comics today and in the letters column, it refers to other issues. Also, at the end of TYB#1,
Hartigan is shot and I assume he dies.
. Did Miller just not release them chronologically or what? Sorry if it's mentioned in the thread already, but I'm trying to avoid spoilers.
 
I just saw it and I wanted to let you guys know it's one of my favorite movies. In case you care.
 
Dujour said:
Are you sure that's the order? I just started reading the comics today and in the letters column, it refers to other issues. Also, at the end of TYB#1,
Hartigan is shot and I assume he dies.
. Did Miller just not release them chronologically or what? Sorry if it's mentioned in the thread already, but I'm trying to avoid spoilers.
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Yes, they were created/published in a different order and not chronologically. In fact, when it was first released, The Hard Goodbye wasn't even called that -- it was just Sin City. The new editions Dark Horse released still numbers them in the publishing order (I think...), so it's:

Publishing Order
1. The Hard Goodbye
2. A Dame to Kill For
3. The Big Fat Kill
4. That Yellow Bastard
5. Family Values
6. Booze Broads and Bullets (short story collection)
7. Hell and Back

Chronological Order
1. That Yellow Bastard
2. A Dame to Kill For (overlaps with #3 at the end)
3. The Hard Goodbye (see above)
4. Hell and Back
5. The Big Fat Kill
6. Family Values

X. Booze Broads and Bullets (short story collection)
 
"The post-modern nihilistic/existential themes are there"

Just saw the movie (long story on why I hadnt before) and was reading through the thread and found this. To which I say, please dont throw around big words you dont understand.

Nihlism has a defeatist attitude, post modernism allows for positive change and progress but on a grand scale with little regard for the individual, and existintialism is somewhat defeatist, but ultimitely is very individual and puts alot into personal responsibility. Outside of misreading Will to Power I dont know how you could think something would manage to make all three points.

Its like saying "I really like this whiteish black/red color of your room".

Oh, and the movie rocked.
 
I saw it with two friends tonight. Man, that was a fucking cool and unique movie. The noir setting and dialogue made it all seem very familiar though, at least on the surface. I found this to help the viewer find a comfort amid all the chaos and terror on the screen. I thought the noir effect and color scheme worked perfectly to really add to the movie. The effects were subtly cartoonish but very gritty as well. The effects came off as subtle in the end, and didn't stick out from the overall style of the film. It had the rewards of a "special effects" flick but came off as something much greater. The lighting was all very well done, although I'll have to see it again to catch some of the nuances I'm sure I missed. I also didn't notice the music, which means once again each piece fit to make the movie. This movie had a lot going for it, especially for someone who hasn't read the books like myself.

I can't wait to see it again :)
 
Azih said:
Sin City is existential then?
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yeah, I would say if anything it falls in that category. There is sorta this feeling of hopelessness that the city is ruined, yet the charachters seem to think that the good they are doing will make some difference. It bears alot of similarities to Camus' The Plauge actually.
 
I've seen it twice now, and it didn't strike me the first time, but Marv going all out with the hatchet is how Dwight described him earlier...
 
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