Bearillusion
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alr1ghtstart said:
FF7 doesn't work on my PS3.
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Slim PS3 ...good fake or...
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FF7 doesn't work on my PS3.
pseudocaesar
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Bearillusion said:
Unlucky.
JeFfRey said:
Its not that easy. A PS2 "module" may not work. For one it may be more expensive than paying 100 bucks for a brand new PS2. Or 30-50 for a used one. Also, I am not sure if a Sata or USB 2 interface would even have enough bandwidth or be fast enough.
A memory stick adapter? You mean a memory stick? You plug them straight into USB ports, there is no adapter.
USB hub, here is a SOny one for 8 bucks.
http://www.cellularfactory.com/laptop/SONY/4/33682/95425/
Just because its not branded Playstation it does not mean Sony doesn't sell it.
On the other hand, the point is that the console is pretty much all inclusive. Otherwise, its very universal, which is the way it should be. Any USB stick works, any USB drive, any hub, bluetooth or US headset, steering wheel.... you get the point. I would hate to be locked into proprietary crap.
Liabe Brave
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Look at it this way: the Slim costs less to make (that would be the whole point of the redesign), so it could be priced lower than the current models. But from the pictures it seems to have all the features they do--wifi, same video/audio jacks--and a larger HDD. So the PS3 fat has to be cheaper at all times. Due to manufacturing costs, $100 is probably the biggest cut they can do. This leaves them with two basic options:Oni Jazar said:
1. Drop the price of the fat $100 and the Slim by $50. This achieves your "never $399 again" ideal, but loses money pretty badly. Each fat sold costs them $140 and each Slim would probably about break even.
2. Drop the price of the fat $100 and introduce the Slim as a bundle at the current price. Those bundled items justify the price, but would cost Sony little. So then they lose $140 on each fat sold, but make about $50 on each Slim, which helps defray the costs. Then when the fats are gone you unbundle the Slim and drop it $50 or $100 to continue sales impetus.
ShinoguTakeruKoeru
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AndyD said:
Memory stick= the proprietary flash memory format for Sony's portable hardware like the PSP, their version of SD cards basically. You're talking about a USB flash drive.
TTP said:If anything, Sony might be forced to drop price and announce PS3 slim sooner than initially planned.
I wonder how many people will hold on buying a PS3 now that they know a slim is in the making.
The mass market isn't going to know anything about this. The only people that know are hardcore gamers hanging out in forums like these, and they have either already bought a PS3, or have already made a decision at what price-point they plan to buy in.
ShinoguTakeruKoeru said:
You are right. Then again there are Sony memory stick adapters. And Sony flash drives. My point was that not everything needs to be Playstation branded to sell.
That is the point of universality of open formats. And if they brand stuff Playstation and overprice it and product place it next to the PS3 on the game isle, people will bitch they are getting misled into purchasing that stuff when non branded stuff works the same.
They can. If they almost break even on today's PS3 and the slim is a 50-75 price reduction. Then they can pass than 50-75 directly to the consumer.
Their goal is millions of sales in the short run, because it results in tons of profit later on games and accessories and PSN sales.
Liabe Brave
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This would absolutely minimize Sony's financial hit, but without a price cut it could take several months before the fat would be gone and Sony could start selling the Slim at a lower price. That would put them rather far through their fiscal year to get a sufficient sales ramp to match the 13m target they've set.spwolf said:
Also, it's just plain hard as hell to empty shelves evenly across regions, much less across stores. If there's no continuous transition to the Slim, Sony could incur high shipping charges keeping stock balanced, which cuts into the money-saving aspect that might make this third option desirable.
Hcoregamer00
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duk said:
The PS3 Slim should be profitable since smaller means less stuff to produce. I could see them dropping the current models down $50 to clear up stock, then release this slim model (which is profit) in October for $350.
When FF13 or GT5 comes out, just price drop it again.
Psychotext
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Technically they had to massage previous years shipping figures to hit their forecast last year. Take a look at the Sony financial results thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15849102&postcount=141JoJo13 said:
cmonmanreally
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PS3 photos result in Cease and Desist ORders from Taiwanese Manufacturing Company:
"Late last week, we posted what appeared to be the first pictures of the PLAYSTATION 3 "Slim". Taiwan-based attorney Li Mo & Associates contacted us, potentially giving credence to the validity of the pictures.
In their email, the firm stated that these "trade secrets" had been posted online and demanded that the images be taken down "immediately" in a cease-and-desist. However, this legal notice did not come from Sony, who still has yet to comment on the images."
EDIT: nvm. beaten.
"Late last week, we posted what appeared to be the first pictures of the PLAYSTATION 3 "Slim". Taiwan-based attorney Li Mo & Associates contacted us, potentially giving credence to the validity of the pictures.
In their email, the firm stated that these "trade secrets" had been posted online and demanded that the images be taken down "immediately" in a cease-and-desist. However, this legal notice did not come from Sony, who still has yet to comment on the images."
EDIT: nvm. beaten.
Billy Fookchops
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Wasn't it last week that SCEI said that the current loss was 10% of the unit price? Unless you're being taken dry & sideways by your local GameStop (you *didn't* pay $1400 for your PS3, did you?!), this would seem to be around $40 to me.Liabe Brave said:
Gives them lots of opportunity to reduce the price a bit ($50->$75), and either break even or continue to make a small loss in order to increase sales
I just don't understand GAF sometimes. Well-known PS3 trollers jump into this thread and instead of applauding Sony for trying to cut the price, throw the "I just don't see how Sony can afford to do this," curveball. Do people really hate the console that much? :lol
As for sales-age Sony fans, this is the move they have been waiting for. Obviously Microsoft will cut price / bundle up to counter this, but lets be realistic, $299 is pretty close to a 2009 mainstream price, and even my most diehard Xbox 360 friends have said they would bite at this price.
The only thing I worry about is if Sony will fix the firmware in time. To me, that has been the biggest hindrance of all. The clock, the lack of voice messaging / cross game chat, and the super buggy in-game XMB is what has led me to play my multiplat games on the Xbox 360.
As for sales-age Sony fans, this is the move they have been waiting for. Obviously Microsoft will cut price / bundle up to counter this, but lets be realistic, $299 is pretty close to a 2009 mainstream price, and even my most diehard Xbox 360 friends have said they would bite at this price.
The only thing I worry about is if Sony will fix the firmware in time. To me, that has been the biggest hindrance of all. The clock, the lack of voice messaging / cross game chat, and the super buggy in-game XMB is what has led me to play my multiplat games on the Xbox 360.
JeFfRey said:
I doubt hardware BC will ever come back. More likely if it does re-appear it will be software only and I wouldn't put it past Sony to either:
a) Make it available on a game by game basis so they can sell PS2 titles through PSN
b) Charge $20 to non-BC PS3 owners for the privilege of enabling emulation
c) Both
They already have the firmware / CPU emulation nailed for a long time. The software assisted BC is generally excellent. I expect the major challenge is emulating the GS. It almost certainly requires profiling games to see how they hit the hardware and then producing various rendering strategies to cope.
At best it means emulation is going to be spotty. At worst it may mean only PSN games are supported with emulation bundled into the game much like PS1 titles on the PSP were done. I recall a God of War 3 poll asking if people would like 1 & 2 as bonus content in the collectors edition so maybe Sony are pretty close to a solution.
As for other peripherals, yes I don't understand it either. Personally I'm happy that the console uses USB and other standards meaning I can pick and choose within reason.
pseudocaesar
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thuway said:
Are your in game XMB and mine the same?
pseudocaesar
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Dizzan said:
Deal breaker. Gettin rid of it now.
1-D_FTW said:
Late reply but here u go:
The point is there are people out there (and here on GAF) that have been reached by this PS3 slim news. And some of them might hold on on the purchase of the system because of this. Even if it's just 1 guy every 1000, this is still a problem for Sony.
dreamcastmaster
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dreamcastmaster said:
Yup, this is why Sony want to silence it.
dreamcastmaster said:
Besides if it were a fake, its gained so much traction that Sony would immediately come out and deny it strongly, loudly and categorically. Even if they were making their own slim model they'd still come out with a strong statement on the matter. After all, phony rumours of a slim still have the potential to hurt their sales.
C&Ds or not, the fact that they're not denying it more or less says everything you need to know. What would be interesting is to know when they're going to be announced and when they'll actually turn up in stores.
pseudocaesar
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Two weeks time. All will be revealed. Or concealed. Whichever.
Bearillusion
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jett said:
It wasn't listed as a working title on the list of BC titles at the SCEE website. Not sure if that page still exists since they dropped PS2 BC.
infinityBCRT
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I think people are looking at the pic of the top half of the casing and think its fake based on the fact it looks ridiculous. However, the pic on the box looks pretty sharp.
Anyone else notice it says 120GB/GO? So are they going to market this as the PS3 GO?
As for PS2 BC through emulation... usually the rule of thumb is you need 10x more processing power to do accurate emulation. And looking at the hardware the PS3 CPU/SPEs are about 10x more powerful, but it would still be difficult to do unless you have great emulation authors.
On the other hand, Microsoft did hire one of the best emulation authors out there (MAME, Connectix VGS) in Aaron Giles and they were able to get a 733 MHz CPU emulated pretty well on a 3.2 GHz CPU which is insane. People don't realize what a technical feat the 360 backwards compatibility is.
Anyone else notice it says 120GB/GO? So are they going to market this as the PS3 GO?
As for PS2 BC through emulation... usually the rule of thumb is you need 10x more processing power to do accurate emulation. And looking at the hardware the PS3 CPU/SPEs are about 10x more powerful, but it would still be difficult to do unless you have great emulation authors.
On the other hand, Microsoft did hire one of the best emulation authors out there (MAME, Connectix VGS) in Aaron Giles and they were able to get a 733 MHz CPU emulated pretty well on a 3.2 GHz CPU which is insane. People don't realize what a technical feat the 360 backwards compatibility is.
infinityBCRT
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damn frenchiesgofreak said:
I live in Canada, never ever saw that notation on packaging of anything I've bought. Go figure.
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