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Slim PS3 ...good fake or...
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Andronicus
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thisjett said:
Me_Marcadet
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jett said:
FF games doesn't work on my ps3 (PAL60Go) neither.
Me_Marcadet
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From wih region is your ps3 and the games ?
I think it's a problem with the PAL games.
EDIT: And I can't find the pal retrocompatibility list anymore.
I think it's a problem with the PAL games.
EDIT: And I can't find the pal retrocompatibility list anymore.
Me_Marcadet
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My laser is not diyng. I think it's a problem with the version of the games. (I got mine day one)
There's several versions of the games and some don't work with the ps3 and pstwo.
There's several versions of the games and some don't work with the ps3 and pstwo.
infinityBCRT
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Size of BD drive slotbcn-ron said:
Bearillusion
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bcn-ron said:
There is a DS3 next to it on the box.
I was banned during the Slim PS3 reveal period but I read through the source thread and here are some things that weren't necessarily noted here:
- The OP was the one who snuck out those pictures, "at great risk" as he/she put it.
- OP thought that it [the chassis or the actual PS3, I'm not sure] weighed a third lighter and that nothing changed outside of the motherboard - I believe he/she was responding to queries on that thread about whether it had an internal or external power supply. This means it's still internal.
- By the way he spoke about it, he clearly didn't think it was a prototype. It was being manufactured in quantities enough such that he though it would surely be launching later this year 2009.
He didn't say anything else about the size or anything so we can't get exact measurements.
- The OP was the one who snuck out those pictures, "at great risk" as he/she put it.
- OP thought that it [the chassis or the actual PS3, I'm not sure] weighed a third lighter and that nothing changed outside of the motherboard - I believe he/she was responding to queries on that thread about whether it had an internal or external power supply. This means it's still internal.
- By the way he spoke about it, he clearly didn't think it was a prototype. It was being manufactured in quantities enough such that he though it would surely be launching later this year 2009.
He didn't say anything else about the size or anything so we can't get exact measurements.
fizzelopeguss
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I wonder if sony intends tp break even, maybe even make a profit on each one of these sold.
Panajev2001a said:It reminds me of one sure way to piss a Math professor off to no end... if he asks you to find the integral of some complex function you just do a Taylor/Maclaurin series approximation of it and solve the simpler separate integrals and add them up... do not blame me if he pulls you out of class and pummels your face with some large books though.
In fact, draw all your rotational matrices sideways. Your professors will love it! And then they'll go home and shrink.
haha nice xkcd reference. I'm not in school anymore but when I was learning linear algebra back in high school I often tilted my paper orthogonally to transpose.
As opposed to EEs, physicists like to add in functions to converge integrals (to give a realistic interpretation of that function, which can be as simple as bounding or something more abstract like a Hamiltonian), which also piss off mathematicians.
If you're an EE and you're planning to pick up a PS3, be sure to get Littlebigplanet. You'll have a blast with create tools.
Also Sony better confirm this at E3 for an early release w/ multiple colors. Otherwise, sad face.
fizzelopeguss said:
We've talked about this and it's too bad there's no way for knowledge on various GAF posts to be crystallized into long-term banks and vaults.
It's incredibly hard to push down the price of a PS3 especially when the harddrives are built-in. That means that there's a minimum price that comes because of the HDD, and that's not going to keep going down because Sony are going to choose the model that makes the most sense in terms of dollar per gigabyte for their purposes. The 360 Arcade has a much cheaper price tag because it rids itself of Wireless, HDD and they are all expensive optional buys.
I hate to say it, but I think Sony can consider making the PS3 Slim iteration adopt the same micro-transaction strategy as Microsoft. Have it come with an SSD of a few gigs to support the OS and possibly pre-install Playstation Home. But sell the HDD separately, and markup its price horribly like Microsoft does.
People can bitch ALL they want about the micro-transaction strategy but Microsoft is CLEARLY not getting punished by it and they also have the advantage in having a lower price tag to market; although there is a serious difference in value in what you get when purchasing a 199 Arcade and a 399 PS3. And hey, the hardcore here keep praising Microsoft for the optional full install onto the harddrive function that they enabled, and these are the very same players who will require larger harddrives to install more games at once. They will purchase those overpriced proprietary HDDs that the 360 uses and Microsoft gains alot more dollars and keeps their retailers happy too.
Sony, do what you need to do.
It's a tough spot, but there's a lot more PS3 games that require the HDD than 360 titles, probably a bit too late to do anything about the HDD now.
From the looks of the box it comes with a 120GB which is pretty much the cheapest model now for laptop drives. Perhaps a third revision will have a 32GB or so SSD to bring it down cheap enough in a couple years.
From the looks of the box it comes with a 120GB which is pretty much the cheapest model now for laptop drives. Perhaps a third revision will have a 32GB or so SSD to bring it down cheap enough in a couple years.
gantz85 said:
Nearly impossible at this point. There are many obstacles to achieving this because:
1) They've already created a hardware spec for developers.
2) Following the MS model with external HDDs and minimal built-in memory would make many PS3 games that use HDD caching unplayable.
3) The HDD is pretty much essential to many, if not most, titles at this point, including those downloaded off PSN and optional apps, such as eyetoy or photo organization software. There's no telling how much Home would eat up with the large number of Spaces announced or planned for the future.
It would work for a product that differentiates itself from the PS3, with an entirely different or repackaged software library, something akin to Nintendo's upgraded Gamecube, Wii.
SIP YEK NOD
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kittel said:
we're talking 8 gigs of flash. surely enough for the PS3 system information and 1 mandatory install at a time.
I don't think the HDD is close to being a bound on price reduction, yet. I'm sure other components are a much greater concern.
Besides which, saying the peripheral-rape strategy of MS hasn't hurt them, and thus Sony shouldn't be afraid to revert to that strategy too, is a difficult thing to actually confirm. More consumer friendly policies such as that wrt proprietary peripherals may yet work in Sony's favour when the price is right. They certainly can't hurt market reception.
It's a moot point anyway, this system is clearly coming with a HDD.
Besides which, saying the peripheral-rape strategy of MS hasn't hurt them, and thus Sony shouldn't be afraid to revert to that strategy too, is a difficult thing to actually confirm. More consumer friendly policies such as that wrt proprietary peripherals may yet work in Sony's favour when the price is right. They certainly can't hurt market reception.
It's a moot point anyway, this system is clearly coming with a HDD.
Chittagong
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SIP YEK NOD said:
Even 32GB flash USBs are dirt cheap these days. It'd be most feasible to thrown in 32GB of flash and let it cost reduce. Much, much cheaper than a HDD, smaller, more durable and with a clear cost reduction pattern. 32GB should be good for most beginners. I have a 60GB launch unit, am pretty active gamer and I haven't used half of it.
gofreak said:
Most probably, but not definitely.
Oh well, let's just see what happens.. I definitely think that Microsoft has shown that micro-transaction is the way to go. I will be VERY surprised if there's not more of that in the following generation. At the same time I also think that there will be a counterwave with more in-built peripherals; for example possibly detachable webcams and whatnot.
Next generation will be an interesting balance.
Chittagong said:
There are a few issues though. How long do these 32 gigs last for, and how quick do they transfer data compared to HDDs? How do their costs of manufacturing scale and waver across time i.e. how much would it cost for the same 32Gigs in 3 years from now?
What you're talking about can work, but it all depends on Sony. It may actually help to bring the price down even more viciously while introducing a micro-transaction option with latch-on purchaseable harddrives that can be priced to high heaven (like Microsoft does with the 360).
Chittagong
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gantz85 said:
Taking 4GB flash (i.e. iPhone 2007) as an measuring stick, I'd guess 32GBs are around for 2-3 years from now, so until 2011-2012, at which point they'll cost a few bucks, and once they run out 64GB is the new low end. Durability should be fine as they're used in iPods and cellphones (e.g. N97). No idea about transfer speed though. Somehow logic would say that anything working without moving parts would be faster, but I'm not an expert.
gantz85 said:
It was a carbon-copy, if not more aggressive, version of what Sony did in previous generations. Everything was proprietary, and expensive.
I sincerely hope Sony does not revert to that going forward, and that the other manufacturers embrace a more open attitude too. Nintendo has to a certain extent with SD card support for example.
Brofist
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SIP YEK NOD said:
Listen to what you are saying, PS3 games + mandatory install + 8 GB space do not compute. Even the most casual of gamers plays more than one game at a time, which mean installing the game every single time you play. This would never fly, not in a million years.
At this point anything other than sticking with replaceable HDDs would be a major mistake. 10x the scale of taking out BC.
gofreak said:
That's like saying Sony was doing a carbon copy strategy of Nintendo selling controllers separately as a micro-transaction strategy... :lol Microsoft broke things up into unprecedented levels and it's a smart pricing strategy.
In my opinion going open is not necessarily going to work for HDDs and whatnot. Reason being it's not as if it's a direct slot-in system or something that's as widely used as camera memory cards. You actually need some minimal technical ability to install a new HDD in the PS3 and that's after you identify and go purchase a 2.5" HDD. Having Sony PS3 branded HDDs that just snap into the system makes it easier to identify and install, although I do think it's a logistical nightmare and may be a risk.
There are still ways out of that mess by going the Flash memory route and making the 2.5" HDD optional. Just let the gamer install it by himself or purchase another SKU with the HDD. There must be ways out of this that is Win-Win for Sony if they can go the Flash route.
kittel said:
No one knows though, if you're technically informed do tell us.
kpop100 said:
Eh, no. You can have a set amount of Flash memory that is pre-installed and leave the boxed system at retail without a HDD inside which the buyer must THEN purchase additionally. Buyer gets "choice" (Microsoft's tagline) and Sony gets lower pricepoint on print.
Mojo said:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000XUMR6C/?tag=neogaf0e-20
It's priced for $72 here, I'm sure it'll be lower if you're a manufacturer. Although I'm still not sure about the viability of using Flash as memory, I've read Slashdot and I've come across articles talking about Flash having a limited read/write cycle and so forth but I am not fully technically informed.
gantz85 said:
Not claiming to be technically informed (despite my Master's degree in EE, I am not in the field of flash memory design) but as an enthusiast I can tell you that a 32GB SSD with equivalent transfer rates would be too cost prohibitive. It would be much cheaper for Sony to bundle PS3s with traditional drives.
gantz85 said:
A 120GB 2.5" HDD can be found for $35.
http://www.directron.com/stm9120817as.html
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001U8E2QE/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Bearillusion
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bcn-ron said:
I have 7,8 and 9. 8 and 9 work but 7 doesn't.
gantz85 said:
Wireless is only expensive because MS charges so much for it; there's a reason Sony left it in and removed their own PS2 chips from earlier models. I've seen $3 - $4 mentioned for the price of integrating it into the PS3 motherboard. Besides, it doesn't help the Arcade to not have wireless since the premium models don't have it either.
The hard drive is a fixed cost, yes, but don't fool yourself into thinking the 360 Arcade unit is $100 cheaper because it's missing one. I think it's pretty clear to everyone that the lower initial cost is subsidized by the crazy prices MS charges for the hard drives; I'm not sure adding "obvious consumer screwage" as a feature of a lower priced unit would improve sales that much, especially since the PS3 is much more dependent on having a hard drive.
You're advocating desperation tactics when they haven't even introduced the Slim yet. I think it's okay to assume Sony will sell those for a slight profit, given what pretty much everyone from Sony has been saying for the last year or so. Price isn't everything anyway, if it was the 360 Arcade would be outselling the Wii. Let's see how the Slim does.
Some of you really think Sony just up and switching to MS' style would work? They would get dragged across the coals worse than they are by anyone looking to get in a cheap potshot. Customers would be turned off because all they want is the PS3 as it is to be CHEAPER to begin with. Not to strip it and sell the components separately making it cost more. Not to mention who pissed off devs would be.
Sony has established what will be in every PS3. Wireless, HDD, BR. Now they have to roll with it. The only thing they can take out which won't hurt them is wireless. Even that is dicey because you cost more than a Wii which would have wireless. So...yeah. Wireless, HDD, BR. Roll with it.
My main concern is...could we get a faster BR drive now? Please?
Sony has established what will be in every PS3. Wireless, HDD, BR. Now they have to roll with it. The only thing they can take out which won't hurt them is wireless. Even that is dicey because you cost more than a Wii which would have wireless. So...yeah. Wireless, HDD, BR. Roll with it.
My main concern is...could we get a faster BR drive now? Please?
Andronicus
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i still think that shit is fakeZen said:
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