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SNES Game Collecting (Tips, discussion, and info for like minded collectors)
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IrishNinja
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like Bahamut Lagoon, it's one of the ones we didn't get from Square's golden era; i think that alone would pique my interest! definitely post back with ongoing impressions, Shining
IrishNinja
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^it's an analog cable so yeah, i believe it is. even with a crappy s-vid cable though, you're bound to see a marked improvement! assuming you were on composhit before
Seven Force
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Wolfgunblood Garopa
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I prefer composite in most cases, especially for 8bit consoles. The way they designed the graphics (dithering) is intended for composite. Colors and detail are reproduced correctly. Even then, I like it better for anything I hook up to a CRT. It just hits that nostalgic button, which is a big reason I go back.
IrishNinja
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ehh i know this is all highly subjective & to each their own, but washed out colors, dot crawl & such weren't features for me, they were the best i could do at the time. there's also an argument to be made for art styles & colors that were intended for RGB display, such as color palettes used for front & back box art on numerous NES boxes, ad pictures, etc.
i get wanting to see as you did in the day, but i just want the game to play & sound as it did (on original hardware), if the system could put out a better signal natively i don't feel i'm betraying the creator's intentions by passing on muddy colors for dithering in between bleed, color banding etc. then again, this is coming from a dude who's moved past CRT's.
TL;DR never going back
the SNES one i used prior was a simple gamestop multi-system plug, it had composite + S-vid and supported SNES amongst a few others...i'm sure it's not too terribly hard to find on ebay now? i was pretty content with it prior though!
i get wanting to see as you did in the day, but i just want the game to play & sound as it did (on original hardware), if the system could put out a better signal natively i don't feel i'm betraying the creator's intentions by passing on muddy colors for dithering in between bleed, color banding etc. then again, this is coming from a dude who's moved past CRT's.
TL;DR never going back
the SNES one i used prior was a simple gamestop multi-system plug, it had composite + S-vid and supported SNES amongst a few others...i'm sure it's not too terribly hard to find on ebay now? i was pretty content with it prior though!
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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I had an XRGB-2, made cables for it, etc. The whole deal. I had fun with it. I now use composite almost every time. I know that's a personal preference thing, but there's something appealing about dot crawl and color bleed after years of pristine RGB IQ from the XRGB-2 and emulation on the PC.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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^only in the 8bit era. Not all games, but a lot did use tricks with the composite video.
IrishNinja
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yeah, there's some excellent examples of what Garopa is talking about here, check Hard Drivin' (i think that's it?), the 4th screen down. Socket below it is another one, and the Chemical Plant Zone tubes in Sonic 2 is yet another. it's a valid thing & he's right to say some games designed elements around it, i first learned of dithering here with Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure as an example. i think some of the ones on that page are more dramatic though; the effect is absolutely broken in RGB, for a few of em.
of course, the tradeoff brings stuff like the muddied text in Midnight Resistance there as well, but that's why this stuff is all whatever works best for you. some prefer the clean look of certain emulators, but i think a lot is lost in translation & don't care for it myself.
of course, the tradeoff brings stuff like the muddied text in Midnight Resistance there as well, but that's why this stuff is all whatever works best for you. some prefer the clean look of certain emulators, but i think a lot is lost in translation & don't care for it myself.
sixteen-bit
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McBradders
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IrishNinja
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i'm right there with you, bradders
mischief makers was the first N64 game i booted up when i got my stuff setup after all these years, thanks again man!
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Great link. My favorite examples are the Mega Man ones on the first page:
http://www.chrismcovell.com/gotRGB/rgb_compare.html
Mega Man via RGB... gross. Not that I have an RGB NES, it's just a great example of how games just don't look right to me all pristine with the color palette almost totally different. This is less of an issue with the SNES, which looks amazing with RGB, especially if you have one of the 1CHIP models.
Composite just feels right, though heh.
IrishNinja
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speaking of, do any of you guys have a good example of 1Chip vs non? last one i saw around here, the effect just looked minimal & not worth pursuing to me, but i'd give it another look if there's something more in depth
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
The color palette was an issue because old RGB mods used the PlayChoice 10 PPU which had a shifted color palette.
But apparently, the new NESRGB kit includes a color palette identical to the original NES.
McBradders
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Will do! A couple of years ago i played through Treasure of the Rudras and while the story and dialogue are all over the place, the music and gameplay is awesome. dem animated battle sprites. dat FFVI engine come to use again. Hnnnggh!
I've been looking at playing Bahamut Lagoon for a long time now but the strategic parts puts me off a bit.
Well, the SNES puts out a decent composite and a great s-video image. So does the PC Engine. RGB isn't as impressive at that point.
Seeing the difference between the horrible composite output of an SMS or Genesis compared to RGB is like a religious experience.
I'm converting RGB to component and playing it back on a CRT, so it's not as clinically perfect as a broadcast monitor would be but it is a massive, massive upgrade for those systems.
Seeing the difference between the horrible composite output of an SMS or Genesis compared to RGB is like a religious experience.
I'm converting RGB to component and playing it back on a CRT, so it's not as clinically perfect as a broadcast monitor would be but it is a massive, massive upgrade for those systems.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Can an NES be modded for Component out? The Master System I bought is coming pre-modded with RCA/Svideo and I dropped my SNES off at a fellow Gaffers house last night for some component goodness. Now I feel like I should get all my systems done. That would leave my Geneis/CD, NES, and N64.
I really like Bahamut Lagoon. Managing the dragons is a little goofy and fucking up in a battle can be rage inducing, but the story is pretty interesting and different.
I did not care for Treasure of the Rudras. Actually never finished it and it's a rare thing for me to quit a game once I jump in.
I really like Bahamut Lagoon. Managing the dragons is a little goofy and fucking up in a battle can be rage inducing, but the story is pretty interesting and different.
I did not care for Treasure of the Rudras. Actually never finished it and it's a rare thing for me to quit a game once I jump in.
crimzonflame
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Should I buy Super Metroid from an Amazon seller?
Hero_of_the_Day
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Not for $46, which is the cheapest one I see. Also, sellers can put pictures up now on Amazon. There is no reason for anyone selling games like this not to post pictures of the actual cart.
EDIT: Damn, I guess that's about what they go for these days online. I paid $26 for mine last year. Fucking SNES prices...
sixteen-bit
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That game has exploded in value, probably because of the speedrun stuff in the age of livestreaming.
Rygar 8 Bit
Jaguar 64-bit
yeah all core games prices have exploded
Dang, I got mine locally (NTSC) for $20 NZD just a few months ago. Not long after got brand new condition CIB JP version off eBay for $30 USD (I prefer the JP art).
I'm in a bad position financially from now pretty much for an entire year so maybe that's a good thing. Not gonna be able to afford luxuries like SNES games, particularly if they're exploding this hard!
I'm in a bad position financially from now pretty much for an entire year so maybe that's a good thing. Not gonna be able to afford luxuries like SNES games, particularly if they're exploding this hard!
Oh man, SMW is sooooooo goooooooood. Why can't they make 2D Mario like this anymore? The new game's physics are all over the place, and imo, this is the Mario with the tightest controls.
I am putting alttp on hold until those s-video cables arrive. In the meantime, I am in love with the CRT TV that I own. Barely has color bleeding compared to most TVs that I saw screen shots of.
@sixteen-bit:
Could be that the start is boring and it may become better. This is the second time I heard link's awakening is better though.
I am putting alttp on hold until those s-video cables arrive. In the meantime, I am in love with the CRT TV that I own. Barely has color bleeding compared to most TVs that I saw screen shots of.
@sixteen-bit:
Could be that the start is boring and it may become better. This is the second time I heard link's awakening is better though.
Seven Force
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Yeah, Super Metroid's been around $38-50 on Amazon & eBay for the last year or so. Sht's crazy.
Hero_of_the_Day
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It's mail time!
After this, Mega Man 7, and my Master System I am pretty spent for a while. I don't have a SNES at the moment since it's being component modded, but I opened it up and it is real, unlike that last one I got from eBay.
Yeah. I must have been lucky. I got mine off of someone on the Nintendo Age forums (same with the score above). I got Super Metroid and Castlevania 4 for $55 last year.
After this, Mega Man 7, and my Master System I am pretty spent for a while. I don't have a SNES at the moment since it's being component modded, but I opened it up and it is real, unlike that last one I got from eBay.
Yeah. I must have been lucky. I got mine off of someone on the Nintendo Age forums (same with the score above). I got Super Metroid and Castlevania 4 for $55 last year.
Rygar 8 Bit
Jaguar 64-bit
you beautiful son of a bitch thats hot i still got to take the dive on the snes version of dracula x
Hero_of_the_Day
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The whole family:
It's beautiful. Still need Legends and Belmont's Revenge for Game Boy for it to actually feel complete to me. But, console portion is done now at least.
It's beautiful. Still need Legends and Belmont's Revenge for Game Boy for it to actually feel complete to me. But, console portion is done now at least.
Dude, that is beautiful <3, all you need now is RoB.
Wait, isn't CVXX on the SNES considered bad though? I have a feeling I asked this here before.
CV is one of my all time favorite series, I guess the avatar gives it away lol. Something about those games just feel awesome. Whether they are the older classics, or the newer ones, they simply rock.
Plus, those cases look really good. Time to search for them on ebay. What was their name again?
KDash31987
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That, and the lack of 8-way whip control after Super Castlevania IV led to people back in the day giving it undeserved hate. It's actually a fine game.
The PC Engine and SNES versions are basically completely different games, by the way.
Rygar 8 Bit
Jaguar 64-bit
gathered my castlevania stuffs looks like im missing a few im kicking myself for not picking up the complete kid dracula game for $25 they had on estar
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Hero_of_the_Day
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Universal Game Cases.
DX is pretty good. Not amazing like Rondo or Four, but not bad either.
The first video game I ever remember getting was Simon's Quest, been in love with the series ever since. I can still vividly picture my birthday and seeing that cover art. I still love the game despite the hate it gets. I played it for hours and hours as a kid, never getting far, but back then it didn't matter.
This dude's collection on NA is fucking awe inspiring:
Thread with more pics here.
Wow, I just realized that from this pic, the only two games I did not complete are C VII and the 64 one.gathered my castlevania stuffs looks like im missing a few im kicking myself for not picking up the complete kid dracula game for $25 they had on estar
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I recommend getting the first ps2 game, as it is quite fun. Really short too, almost 5 hours long. Ignore the second, it is REALLY boring.
As long as it is good, I may play it. Added more money to my Internet card, so it's time to buy stuff via ebay!
Also, hearing first time experiences with games is always awesome. My gateway to CV was SotN in 2005. Oddly enough, I never bought the game in the PSX days. Even though I loved the Gothic atmosphere, I did not enjoy it as much as I'd hoped, and to this day find the praise a bit over rated. I then bought HoD and AoS. I enjoyed HoD, but AoS, I fell in love with that game. That same year I also played RoB on PCE, and it became my favorite old school CV game after also going through the other older classics.
Not saying SotN is bad, I actually rank it my third favorite in the metroidvania list of games, its just that I felt the stage design was a bit lacking, and the inverted castle always makes me want to stop playing. Saying all this makes me want to go through the old CV games again, lol.
entremet
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People were thirsty for a traditional Zelda after Zelda II, LTTP scratched that itch. It's a decent game, but it's overrated a lot here.
Rygar 8 Bit
Jaguar 64-bit
blarg that guy has 2 gb kid dracs the loose cart alone goes for over $50
Hey dude, you will hate me now, but SM3DW is my favorite 3D Mario as of this moment. SMW feels like a 2D version of 3DW as in it brings me the same amount of joy. I feel that the love 3DW gets is well deserved. I was one of the people that got the game 2 days early too, the reaction in the OT was hilarious /brag\
wow........ this is really amazing.......
Brock_Landers
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Those are fighting words!
One game that really seems to be climbing in price recently is the first Pocky and Rocky. I've gotten sniped on every auction I've tried to win it.
3DW is great, but there's only one Super Mario World.
I was randomly thinking about this today, and yes, Super Mario World is still my #1 favorite SNES game of all time, with Super Metroid a close second and probably Chrono Trigger at #3. What a fucking timeless classic.
DracoBlade
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Holy shit Super metroid is 50$ loose now! I literally posted in here a few months ago with my purchase of a complete boxed copy for that price wtf is up with the nostalgia inflation!
EDIT: OMFG YOUR GUYS CASTLEVANIA COLLECTIONS ARE GODLY! I'm so jealous! lol thats my favorite series and I'm making progress completing it but damn I cant even find Dracula X nor Rondo for a decent price to bite. Other than that I only need Bloodlines, the Gameboy (original GB) games, then I'm complete myself
nabe_shogun
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Completely agree (on both points, lttp is excellent)
But yeah, I had been putting off buying Pocky and Rocky for a while and now I regret it. I passed up a complete in box on ebay for $50 a while ago, which now seems like a really good deal. I actually just bought the Japanese version which I found for $35, which seemed reasonable enough.
On a side note, I finally got my copy of Nightmare Busters in the mail the same day.
