So with the success of Assassin's Creed Shadows has the culture war foolishness ran its course ?
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TheAmazingSpiderMan
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What success? It's only been out for a few days lol.
Liopleurodon
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Ubisoft isn't going anywhere.
ChorizoPicozo
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Let's be generics. 5M at full price to break even.
rm082e
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As a centerist normie, I don't care to bitch about woke vs anti-woke or follow these threads. But the obeseeion with tokenism over the last few years has pushed me away from a lot of media in general. As soon as I feel it, I just ignore movies/shows/games that have it. Characters and storylines that don't feel genuine really annoy me.
I didn't bitch about Veilguard, and I didn't buy it. I'm not bitching about Shadows, and I'm not buying it. I'm not going to bitch about Intergalactic either. They're just making it easy for me to spot the games I can ignore.
I didn't bitch about Veilguard, and I didn't buy it. I'm not bitching about Shadows, and I'm not buying it. I'm not going to bitch about Intergalactic either. They're just making it easy for me to spot the games I can ignore.
I would imagine 5 million at full price yeah. The total cost to make the game is probably probably around $300 million including marketing.
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You think I'm talking about the 2 million players? Lol the game will be one of the biggest games of the year until GTAVI & the next Call Of Duty comes out.
Barakov
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Doubt it. AC doesn't have the pull it once did. They should have sold at least 3 million by now, instead they're quoting "2 million players", lol.
i knew it would be modest success,its stil a asscreed rpg which have sold well and its japanese setting whcih is also a good seller. but i think this game did some damage to ubisoft as it was suppose to be a massive hit and it might only be modest success which is not what ubisoft needs tight now
TropicanaTwista
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I guess I don't truly understand the "success" part. It has good, not great reviews (seem to fall in line with a majority of AC games) and we don't have much on the sales. The 2 million "played" doesn't strike me as a huge success in any way. Not that it's a failure but only seems fine or average for a game of its scope.
As for the culture war stuff, I don't think that's the main reason for the games success or failures. It may play a part and I'm only speaking for myself, but the game doesn't really strike me as interesting. It's a long standing IP, people pretty much know ahead of time if they're gonna like it or not. For me, I haven't really enjoyed an AC since black flag, and while the setting is cool in practice, it almost feels late. GoT released nearly 5 years ago and I feel like was better than anything AC related and there is a sequel expected later this year. Hell, even something like rise of the ronin looked better to play off of trailers (and knowing the type of gameplay team ninja has).
As for the culture war stuff, I don't think that's the main reason for the games success or failures. It may play a part and I'm only speaking for myself, but the game doesn't really strike me as interesting. It's a long standing IP, people pretty much know ahead of time if they're gonna like it or not. For me, I haven't really enjoyed an AC since black flag, and while the setting is cool in practice, it almost feels late. GoT released nearly 5 years ago and I feel like was better than anything AC related and there is a sequel expected later this year. Hell, even something like rise of the ronin looked better to play off of trailers (and knowing the type of gameplay team ninja has).
CLW
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Using meaningless subjective terms like "success" is pointless. I mean if you define "success" as it will last on the market longer than Concord sure.
The ONLY questions that matter are (1) did the game make a positive ROI (2) did it make more/less $ for the "controversial"/"woke" decisions made
Time will tell on (1) hundreds of million dollar budget (I'll assume $300,000,000) means Ubi needs to sell roughly 6 MILLION units at full $70 to BREAK EVEN (gotta take off Sony/Ms 30%.
For all the risks involved in making a game one would hope as a stock holder the ROI would need to be MUCH HIGHER otherwise i can invest In virtually 0 costs etf funds and historically make 10%
So nearly 7 MILLION FULL PRICE units would need to be sold for AC to be "successful" by any logical standard. UBI is NOWHERE CLOSE to that number right now.
semiconscious
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as long as people continue to make threads about it, the culture war foolishness will remain with us...
ToneyJ
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Really wonder what the metrics for success are here for Ubisoft.
This is what AC2 did 16 years ago.
"According to pre-official sales estimates, Ubisoft announced that Assassin's Creed II sold 1.6 million copies worldwide during its first week of sale, representing a 32 percent increase over the first week retail performance of the original Assassin's Creed. As of May 2010, the game has sold 9 million copies."
9 million copies in 6 months
On probably a budget 1/3rd what AC Shadows has.
This is what AC2 did 16 years ago.
"According to pre-official sales estimates, Ubisoft announced that Assassin's Creed II sold 1.6 million copies worldwide during its first week of sale, representing a 32 percent increase over the first week retail performance of the original Assassin's Creed. As of May 2010, the game has sold 9 million copies."
9 million copies in 6 months
On probably a budget 1/3rd what AC Shadows has.
See you next year in the ubislop bankruptcy thread lol
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calico
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I think you are actually somewhat right for top tier quality games. I think that resistance to woke damage rapidly decreases however as the quality of the game comes down.
The likes of Veilguard, Avowed, Shadows etc. can be -and are being- significantly damaged by it imo.
calico
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3.5m sales in the first week for AC3.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
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That's encouraging to hear.
I personally won't buy AC Shadows. Not my type of game. I hate unnecessarily long games.
I would only like to "try it" purely for the graphics, if you catch my drift.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
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Well said.
Connificent
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What will that have to do with this game?
Nickolaidas
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'Success'.
Lol.
Lmao, even.
AC is like FIFA and CoD. It's currently too mainstream and too big to outright bomb. But it will underperform. Just enough to hurt Ubisoft.
Lol.
Lmao, even.
AC is like FIFA and CoD. It's currently too mainstream and too big to outright bomb. But it will underperform. Just enough to hurt Ubisoft.
Durin
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It will probably get dumber for a bit from the anti-woke side as the tides shift in their favor, the term "woke" gets eroded more in meaning like any big term used regularly on the internet, and more people join it with different thresholds of what they consider bad content is.
Over time though, the smart devs will realize that pandering with overt messaging and attacking your potential audience is stupid, except for the handful of devs that can deliver enough gameplay quality to offset people being annoyed by it.
Game productions take years, so the course correction will take years. More companies will seppuku themselves before then though.
Over time though, the smart devs will realize that pandering with overt messaging and attacking your potential audience is stupid, except for the handful of devs that can deliver enough gameplay quality to offset people being annoyed by it.
Game productions take years, so the course correction will take years. More companies will seppuku themselves before then though.
Nickolaidas
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Agreed, even though I consider myself anti-woke. I've already spotted a few bad actors who will call a game woke for having a gay character in it, no matter the context, narrative, writing, and campaign setting.
Or the attempt to go the other way and christianopuritinize sexy content via Goonergate.
Both extremes suck. Don't preach, have good-looking characters and don't attack traditional human values. And you're good.
nemiroff
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In that case you should get AC Shadows, it's pretty good.
Durin
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Yeah, it's inevitability going to happen, but the bright side is it's still less crap than woke was in the late 2010s when they got their way.
The most lucrative thing is to not preach, just entertain. Maybe some companies will have to exert some strong employee social media behavior policies.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
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They made the samurai gay and black and you think people who noticed are the ones pushing the culture war.
dDoc
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Woke had a bull run for years. Time for someone to apply some breaks to it, or we will never hear the end of it.
seething left
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It would be more successful if it was sticking to the setting and put a proper main character inside that game. So factually, while an AC IP is going to sell okay no matter what, it would have sold better by not pandering to the vocal minority. That is something a game dev will consider in the future. Opportunity costs.
Did you miss that the Japanese government condemned the game for being disrespectful?
dDoc
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I have not played AC:S and currently playing Ronin.
From gameplay videos I have seen, Shadow's game play looks like it's in slow motion or under water compared to team Ninja's game.
I have not played a Ubi game in ages, and it's not just for the DEI stuff they have injected in their games. Gameplay has been subpar for a long time in their offerings.
FewRope
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You cannot change the mind of people like this guy, theres no winning engaging in a conversation at all even if you try to make sense
Black_Stride
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South of Midnight is round the corner.
More ragebaiters are gonna start drama that will have people up in arms or whatever.
More ragebaiters are gonna start drama that will have people up in arms or whatever.
Majormaxxx
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dude, this game successfully managed to insult a whole country - where it actually takes place...
SJRB
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The game is good despite the culture war bullshit.
Almost all of it is surrounding Yasuke, a character who you can pretty much ignore for 99% of your playtime.
I've played this game for 22 hours now and the game forced me to play as him for all but 20 minutes, tops.
Let's not forget the overwhelming attempt at gaslighting from Ubi before they were forced to backpedal. It was them who created this mess. They insisted on the historical accuracy, the flagrant lying about this character's historical significance. They were trying to school actual Japanese people on their history and culture.
You can't push a narrative like this, tell anyone who questions it they're racist and when the backlash becomes too big to control and the facts that you base your entire premise on turn out to be fictional fabrications from a narcissist writer just go "hey you know he was maybe not that real but what if he was? Who's the idiot now huh?".
This whole thing was a marketing disaster.
Almost all of it is surrounding Yasuke, a character who you can pretty much ignore for 99% of your playtime.
I've played this game for 22 hours now and the game forced me to play as him for all but 20 minutes, tops.
Let's not forget the overwhelming attempt at gaslighting from Ubi before they were forced to backpedal. It was them who created this mess. They insisted on the historical accuracy, the flagrant lying about this character's historical significance. They were trying to school actual Japanese people on their history and culture.
You can't push a narrative like this, tell anyone who questions it they're racist and when the backlash becomes too big to control and the facts that you base your entire premise on turn out to be fictional fabrications from a narcissist writer just go "hey you know he was maybe not that real but what if he was? Who's the idiot now huh?".
This whole thing was a marketing disaster.
Lethal01
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They made the samurai gay and black and you think people who noticed are the ones pushing the culture war.
But Yasuke was black, and Samurai were know for being super gay.
PeteBull
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Woke means game isnt good, for many of us who dont live in feminist bubble the more woke game is, the more artroucious it gets, actually, literally fun playing that game is reduced by substantial margins coz of woke elements/pushiing agenda.
There is a reason DA:V didnt have denuvo on pc from the very launch, official info is 25k usd/month as payment to keep it up, and pc players were so disgusted with that game we didnt even wanna pirate it- and publisher knew it, hence no need for 25k usd/month waste-denuvo service.
Yes, woke agenda in tlou2 makes game much worse, just compare reveal trailer from 2016 when we all thought its gonna be proper sequel:
10m views, 331k likes and only 5k dislikes, players really wanted good tlou2.
Then gameplay trailer from e3 2018(back then we didnt know it was scripted animations aka trailer was bullshot)
20m views, 548k likes, 39k dislikes- ppl still loved it...
Release day trailer from 2019
10m views, 461k likes, 15k dislikes
But look what happened when we learned about stupid takes and agenda cuckman pushed:
Official story trailer from may 2020, just few months before game's launch:
Only 3,6m views, big downgrade vs all previous ones, we can like it but cant see number of likes, and dislikes/comments are turned off- there is a valid reason for that- players got pissed off cuckman killed our beloved character- joel in terrible way and made game's story terrible...
Angry Joe summed it neatly in 1minute vid:
BTW- thats how u kill beloved protagonist/main character- Person of Interest tv series did it right
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