So with the success of Assassin's Creed Shadows has the culture war foolishness ran its course ?

I dont want devs be afraid to make what they want just because backlash of people on internet.
This is what got us here in the first place. A very vocal group constantly raging on about oversexualised women, too many male leads and not enough gay representation. They've been afraid and this is the result of their virtue signalling.
 
This is what got us here in the first place. A very vocal group constantly raging on about oversexualised women, too many male leads and not enough gay representation. They've been afraid and this is the result of their virtue signalling.
Thats my point, both side gone so fucking paranoid that either game is "problematic" because the female character too good looking or the game is "woke" because you play as female or black character.

In my eyes both are same fucking shit.
 
You think the statistics showing people playing older games and watching older TV shows and films is because their mind is corrupt and gaming is the best it's ever been?
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Brother gaming was better when you was member on PSU.
People watching older shows & playing older games has always been a thing it has nothing to do with the current state of shows & games . The older stuff is just more accessible now than it used to be.
 
LoL .. you can make a FIFA/EA FC with only trans players and still sell a lot probably... taking one popular franchise and injecting with this shit dosent win you anything outside less sales that it should have ... this fabricated "success" that is being pushed daily by the woke media as some form of "win" is laughable...

The game is selling ? Sure .. you can bet your house that would have selled more if the woke shit and pandering wasn't there.

Whats next ? "GTA6 selling millions with a lot of DEI content prooves that the culture war is over" ? Lol.
It genuinely feels like this when they brag about DEI shit finally selling something!

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Thats my point, both side gone so fucking paranoid that either game is "problematic" because the female character too good looking or the game is "woke" because you play as female or black character.

In my eyes both are same fucking shit.
I think if Yasuke character was an Assassin that introduced Naoe to the Creed instead of a historical character that has his history altered, it wouldn't have blown up.
Also taking another historical person that was honourable and respected and making them cheat on her husband with Yasuke is "problematic" and "disrespectful"
Sure it's only a game.....but come on.
Who thought that would be a good idea.
 
Selling 1m copies and "reaching" 2m players is definitely not a success when you expect to sell 10m copies of your AAA game. Metaphor sold 1m copies in a single day and it was a niche game compared to this.

And keep in mind that AC, despite being a soulless and boring series, has a lot of fanboys just like COD and FIFA. So a certain number of people will always buy it no matter what.

Having said that, I finished the game for a review and it was one of my most tedious gaming experiences in recent memories. Wokeness is the least of its problems.
 
The game is great. I truly don't understand why the cancel culture hates on this game (or on any game for that matter). I firmly believe those that hate on this game and others are sad people who have nothing in their lives other than hatred.
Ubisoft has been a pioneer in exploiting consumers, i dont care if this is the best game ever, i hope it fails and i'm doing my part. Sorry, not sorry.
 
I think if Yasuke character was an Assassin that introduced Naoe to the Creed instead of a historical character that has his history altered, it wouldn't have blown up.
Also taking another historical person that was honourable and respected and making them cheat on her husband with Yasuke is "problematic" and "disrespectful"
Sure it's only a game.....but come on.
Who thought that would be a good idea.
It is just a game and as far as I'm concerned they can do whatever they want with it, thats their game and people are more than free not to like and not buy the game.

I dont like Ubisoft or AC games so I chose not buy it because I'm not their target audience, simple as that.

Instead I bought Xenoblade X because thats my type of game.

These days we have so much choice in games, not everything needs to appeal to everybody.
 
Honestly if the games are good they will sell.

The main problems with Dragon Age, etc were never only about "forced inclusion" and games like those were always going to flop because of it.

Spider-Man 2 didn't flop, GOW Ragnarok didn't flop, etc...

Y'all think if GTAVI has a gay character somewhere or a trans on, or pronouns that it will stop the game from the biggest videogame release of all time?
 
People watching older shows & playing older games has always been a thing it has nothing to do with the current state of shows & games . The older stuff is just more accessible now than it used to be.
Really because when asked the answer is because they are better, vetter atmospher, Story, Characters, gameplay even music
And long running TV shows, most say they are fantastic until it reaches modern day and the quality drops off and they see the woke shit infest it's self.
And it's got nothing to do with minority characters and LGBT stuff because it was there before, it's just those characters were likable and had good stories attached to them, they was their character and the importance to the story first.
Their sexual preferences or skin colour was just a visual clue on screen.
Because they was more than that.
That is the difference.
 
Selling 1m copies and "reaching" 2m players is definitely not a success when you expect to sell 10m copies of your AAA game. Metaphor sold 1m copies in a single day and it was a niche game compared to this.

And keep in mind that AC, despite being a soulless and boring series, has a lot of fanboys just like COD and FIFA. So a certain number of people will always buy it no matter what.

Having said that, I finished the game for a review and it was one of my most tedious gaming experiences in recent memories. Wokeness is the least of its problems.
Many woke games are like that, aka devs/heads of the studio focus so much on agenda pushing they forget that game has to be of the highest possible quality in the first place, no gaming companies are non profit organisations, their sole purpose is profit, and that obviously suffers when game's quality is put on a backburner.
 
Honestly if the games are good they will sell.

The main problems with Dragon Age, etc were never only about "forced inclusion" and games like those were always going to flop because of it.

Spider-Man 2 didn't flop, GOW Ragnarok didn't flop, etc...

Y'all think if GTAVI has a gay character somewhere or a trans on, or pronouns that it will stop the game from the biggest videogame release of all time?
To be honest there was quite a lot of internet backlash over Dragon Age. The game might have seen a different outcome if it had a better artstyle and less agenda driven writing.

Spider-Man, God of War, Assassin's Creed - these are big IPs that will always sell well. I don't remember seeing any 'woke messaging' in Ragnarok mind you - but the writing is awful, Atreus sucks, and the game is extremely poorly paced.

GTA already has gay characters - there is a whole DLC on it.
 
It is just a game and as far as I'm concerned they can do whatever they want with it, thats their game and people are more than free not to like and not buy the game.

I dont like Ubisoft or AC games so I chose not buy it because I'm not their target audience, simple as that.

Instead I bought Xenoblade X because thats my type of game.

These days we have so much choice in games, not everything needs to appeal to everybody.
That's the weird part about all this , how come the people that hate these games know every strange detail about the games to go to the Internet & complain about it? Why not put that energy into the games you do like.
 
That's the weird part about all this , how come the people that hate these games know every strange detail about the games to go to the Internet & complain about it? Why not put that energy into the games you do like.
Ignore the game you used to like and focus on the ones you still do..
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They did that but it's like a cancer, it spreads
 
Or will we still have to deal with all the non gameplay related drama for years to come whenever new games are released?
It's an Assassin's Creed title. What did you expect from a series which has sold gangbusters since inception (200+ million worldwide)? Odyssey sold 10 million. Valhalla sold 20 million.
 
Practices like this need to be destroyed

And Im not even talking about all the microtransactions in a single player game. Disgusting
 
When will people learn that the clowns on the internet doesn't represent the majority nor influence jackshit??
Companies have been learning that for the last two years. That's why they are rolling back on all the social politics and DEI stuff after flops like Concord, Veilguard, MCU, Bud light, etc etc
 
Sadly, this thread proves people will just move whatever goalposts they need to to claim victory. Someone was actually claiming The Last of Us Part II was in a different era 😂 😂 😂

Also the shit people consider "woke" varies wildly from person to person. Some people just think any game with a non-white main character is woke. Some are more selective.
 
I dont want devs be afraid to make what they want just because backlash of people on internet.

To me that worse than SJW, Woke, DEI or whatever the fuck next word gonna be.

We get the best games when devs are free to make what they want.


By "free" you mean devs who fear to be fired for posting the "wrong opinions" on social media?

It's a bad joke to pass off the current "positive criticism only" policy in video game studios as "being free".
 
As for this game's success, I'd chalk it up to popular franchise + ninjas. Ninjas are in again like they haven't been since at least the 90s. Shoutout to The Last Ronin being the top selling graphic novel for the last two years.

Look, having woke social politics heavily injected into your game isn't an automatic recipe for failure, as we can see. It's just not a selling factor either. If anything the pattern seems to show that it's detrimental.

But again, ninjas + popular franchise. I had all but sworn off open-world Ubisoft games due to boredom but I bought the game just today bc I love ninjas. Pretty boring so far though ngl.
 
Really because when asked the answer is because they are better, vetter atmospher, Story, Characters, gameplay even music
And long running TV shows, most say they are fantastic until it reaches modern day and the quality drops off and they see the woke shit infest it's self.
And it's got nothing to do with minority characters and LGBT stuff because it was there before, it's just those characters were likable and had good stories attached to them, they was their character and the importance to the story first.
Their sexual preferences or skin colour was just a visual clue on screen.
Because they was more than that.
That is the difference.
Im pretty sure you're able to pick & choose who you have conversations with
It's an Assassin's Creed title. What did you expect from a series which has sold gangbusters since inception (200+ million worldwide)? Odyssey sold 10 million. Valhalla sold 20 million.
The goal of the smear campaign was to change that .
 
I get it, you are fatigued. You see us pushing games like this around that don't really have that much wrong with them and think we are as bad as the wokies. You think it is two sides of the same coin.

That is just the wokies pretending to be us. We are all reasonable people who don't diss on games like AC Shadows for no reason. The wokies are just pretending to be us, dissing on the games arbitrarily, you see it and get mad, thinking it is us. We are being maligned.

You should work on being able to identify undercover wokies who have malevolent agendas. Otherwise they will continue to trick your genius brains and make a mockery of our whole movement. Learn and think in life. This will show you who the true villains are. Don't go thru life with no true understanding or reasoning, with your head in the sand.
 
Yes, OP.

Truly, what we are seeing in real time is an epic, expansive, immersive return to form for an enthusiast forum that's finally catching its stride. We at the GAF community are so excited about the changing climate that we've incorporated these insane new mechanics:

- Bluesky is the mascot social media site for GAF.
- BLM support in incremental updates.
- Players can now go prone using X.

These new features, along with haptic feedback and stolen milk memes, will ensure the player base moving forward will never guffaw at blatant idpol ever again.
 
Ultimately the "smear campaign" is from a tiny minority of youtubers.

Most people do not pay attention to this.
Thank you. Would you mind telling that to Jaffe? I think he really needs to hear that.

It's such a revelation.

So many people hate our inquisitorious on youtube. Trying to silence them. Why? They have no effect! When Asmon and Vara Dark and really anybody else disses on a game and says it is shit that is just their opinion. What does it hurt? Games are completely immune, so why even complain?

They've been called grifters but where is the grift if no game is affected? I mean damn. What happened to free speech?
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I mean you're not having the conversation with the people who don't care about this stuff & just enjoying new TV shows & games & there is a reason the conversation started you didn't do a random survey on people from all walks of life lol.
 
Disney would hardly disagree... and double down

I mean sure but how long did it take for it to actually start affecting them ?
It's not an immediate thing, Disney doubled and tripled down on this stuff in basically all their products, and it took years for people to get so tired of it that even attaching a popular IP to it wasn't working anymore.
 
Or will we still have to deal with all the non gameplay related drama for years to come whenever new games are released?
The culture war isn't a thing for people that actually play video games.

"Woke" and "DEI" stuff has always been in gaming it's not new. It's just extremely stupid to bash a game because a main character is gay, women or a minority…. It's all silly because you simply don't have to buy or support the game.

Watching the year long bash campaign for AC Shadows is just a very sad moment in gaming because based on most reviews from real gamers it's a solid game and didn't deserve the hate it's getting.
 
Also taking another historical person that was honourable and respected and making them cheat on her husband with Yasuke is "problematic" and "disrespectful"

Is she actually married during the time she bangs Yasuke?
I think she's single at the tiem.
 
I get it, you are fatigued. You see us pushing games like this around that don't really have that much wrong with them and think we are as bad as the wokies. You think it is two sides of the same coin.

That is just the wokies pretending to be us. We are all reasonable people who don't diss on games like AC Shadows for no reason. The wokies are just pretending to be us, dissing on the games arbitrarily, you see it and get mad, thinking it is us. We are being maligned.

You should work on being able to identify undercover wokies who have malevolent agendas. Otherwise they will continue to trick your genius brains and make a mockery of our whole movement. Learn and think in life. This will show you who the true villains are. Don't go thru life with no true understanding or reasoning, with your head in the sand.

I know this is probably a joke but it's gross to think that someone could actually be dumb enough to believe this.
 
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Is she actually married during the time she bangs Yasuke?
I think she's single at the tiem.
I believe you are correct, being 1579 it's set in the little window between her two marriages, hence why her daughters are in the game who belong to Nagamasa, who died in 1573
She never married Shibata Katsuie until 1582 in which she chose to died with him on the battlefield.
I think her being loyal to Nagamasa despite his death until she married Shibata Katsuie in 1582 is probably what's people are referring.
To me and you it's completely understandable if she found love in another man during that period.
But because she was held up as THAT honourable and loyal, to some Japanese folk it leaves a bitter taste.
It is silly, but I kinda understand historians of Japan throwing a hissy fit over it, especially if they hold that kidna respect for the people they study.
I imagine it mostly older Japanese men going red in the face 😂
 
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Ubisoft? Not the official Twitter account, probably run by a "talentless freak"? Ok. This is how PC Gamer is going to frame the story uh.

This is not only foolishness but escalation. I haven't seen this "fight" get this heated since The Last of Us 2.

...nawh dawg. This Culture War is a hot as ever. South of Midnight is next to the grill, and whatever the outcome of Ubisoft´s future is, ain't gonna be a "success".

...But what it will take for media/publishers-devs to finally crash out? Disney is having a meltdown over Snow White's flop and its backlash, and Hollywood is in panic mode over the state of the industry.

Are more layoffs and studio closures on the horizon? and after South of Midnight (which will be irrelevant as a video game) the next "batteflied" will be intergalatic in 2027? yeah, this shit aint over.
 
woke Ubi shills are shilling hard for this game :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: to create narrative how 'successful' this game is

why still no 3 million players update it's been over a week 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

They can lie all they want, until they can't lie anymore, ER is coming next month.
 
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Ubisoft? Not the official Twitter account, probably run by a "talentless freak"? Ok. This is how PC Gamer is going to frame the story uh.

This is not only foolishness but escalation. I haven't seen this "fight" get this heated since The Last of Us 2.

...nawh dawg. This Culture War is a hot as ever. South of Midnight is next to the grill, and whatever the outcome of Ubisoft´s future is, ain't gonna be a "success".

...But what it will take for media/publishers-devs to finally crash out? Disney is having a meltdown over Snow White's flop and its backlash, and Hollywood is in panic mode over the state of the industry.

Are more layoffs and studio closures on the horizon? and after South of Midnight (which will be irrelevant as a video game) the next "batteflied" will be intergalatic in 2027? yeah, this shit aint over.


Good summary here

Ubisoft has a Zoomer who's good at talking shit on Twitter but I'm more interested in their quarterly financial results coming in a few weeks
 
Yes AC Shadows has single handedly killed the culture wars. Yasuke and Taash are going to be mandatory additions in every game going forward.
 
I think if Yasuke character was an Assassin that introduced Naoe to the Creed instead of a historical character that has his history altered, it wouldn't have blown up.
Also taking another historical person that was honourable and respected and making them cheat on her husband with Yasuke is "problematic" and "disrespectful"
Sure it's only a game.....but come on.
Who thought that would be a good idea.
I try to stay out of these discussions, seems it is the same arguments, but this is some nasty writing by those that write the story. Have Ubisoft commented on this? I should think it would have come up in discussions at Ubisoft around the game.
 
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Just a lesson that sometimes what's under the hood is good enough to overcome any additional bullshit. The game franchise name and setting I am sure had something to do with it too. Combat etc. The real question Ubisoft should be asking thsemvles how much better could the game have been, or do theyt consider it a win that they stayed true to their agendas. Will see how it preforms and if share holders are happy with it. Is it enough to keep them alive? probably. But it could have been a 9/10.

As people have poined out Dragon Age wasn't a solid game to begin with, there was nothing ro elevate it. Assassins Creed found a way so it seems.
 
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