Solo: A Star Wars Story: An Unbridled Rage (spoilers)
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lifa-cobex
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This film made me sad.
Gary Stu is a good take away though.
Gary Stu is a good take away though.
Can't do this review. All the anger and frustration seems misplaced here and it's treading into Cinema Sins territory. It's...Solo. It's a light, unpretentious cash-in muddled by studio interference and two sets of directors. Despite that, and *Emilia fucking Clarke* (who is fine in this, somehow), it manages to bring an emotional core and largely succeed with what it sets out to do.
RLM has a better take:
RLM has a better take:
Grinchy
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I do seem to be getting the impression that this is one of the better Disney Star Wars movies just from reading opinions online (I haven't seen it yet). It's a shame if that's true, since it is taking the financial hit for all the horrible decisions from all the movies that came before it.
infinitys_7th
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It astounded me that Rich liked it. Makes me feel like it could actually be a decent movie.
Typhares
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Oh yes I've watched that one too and I enjoyed listening to them. Sometimes I just want to get the angry reactions too.
I'm not angry about solo (eye rolling things at times) cause I didn't have any expectations but I was about TLJ.
In my opinion that's not a high bar to pass unfortunately. I don't even care that I thought TLJ was garbage what annoyed me the most was that criticism was not seen as such thus completely alienating a big part of the fanbase.
CampbellzSoup
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Solo and TLJ were garbage.
Solo was kinda fun but for you to buy him as a younger Harisson Ford kills it.
Solo was kinda fun but for you to buy him as a younger Harisson Ford kills it.
OH-MyCar
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I honestly don't have a lot against Solo (again, I loved the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles and Ron Howard is a good fit for a director). For me, TLJ just blew up the entire foundation for the franchise to the extent that I truly am deciding to not see Solo because of TLJ. People will call that "petty", but isn't that presupposing that I owe Disney my money? It's not like I wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat, desperately wanting to see the film while hating myself. I'm just no longer excited over the franchise, and there's video out there of me camping out for Episode 1 tickets in an airbrushed Yoda shirt (hey, we've all fucked up in one way or another). Right now saving a few bucks is just a lot more appealing than what was once my favorite fictional universe of all-time.
If I'm happy "Solo is failing", it just comes from not having any catharsis with TLJ. The film made a ton of money off of the brand alone and then all of us who hated it were branded misogynists, Russian bots and manchild pissbabies. We had Kennedy gloating. We had Johnson snarkily tweeting that we're all too dumb and don't deserve his opus. We had Abrams say it was just because we couldn't handle strong women. Why would I, ostensibly a Russian, misogynist, pissbaby bot want to help bankroll summer homes for anyone who has anything to do with this franchise only 5 months later?
Mark Hamill was the only person involved who has been completely understanding and diplomatic towards both viewpoints of the fans without misrepresenting or denigrating anyone. I'll Paypal him $10 every time I think about seeing a new Star Wars.
If I'm happy "Solo is failing", it just comes from not having any catharsis with TLJ. The film made a ton of money off of the brand alone and then all of us who hated it were branded misogynists, Russian bots and manchild pissbabies. We had Kennedy gloating. We had Johnson snarkily tweeting that we're all too dumb and don't deserve his opus. We had Abrams say it was just because we couldn't handle strong women. Why would I, ostensibly a Russian, misogynist, pissbaby bot want to help bankroll summer homes for anyone who has anything to do with this franchise only 5 months later?
Mark Hamill was the only person involved who has been completely understanding and diplomatic towards both viewpoints of the fans without misrepresenting or denigrating anyone. I'll Paypal him $10 every time I think about seeing a new Star Wars.
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Grinchy
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lol yeah it's an extremely low bar to set. I watched the whole video from the OP. I kinda wish I hadn't since it'll be on my mind when I finally get around to watching Solo. I feel like I'll agree with a lot of the points in that video but I won't know if it's because I watched it first or not.
I felt the same way as he did for most of his points in his TLJ video, though. And I saw that movie without watching any trailers or reading impressions or anything. I went into that one with an enjoyment of TFA, ready for more of the storyline.
5secondrulesucks
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OH-MyCar
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The last time I seen it was years ago; it was in the online archives of a local news channel of select things they digitized. If I ever get drunk and feel like killing myself, I'll track down the link again and post it.
Sakura Doritos
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I think my biggest problem with Solo was how it was forcing a ton of connective tissue with the established lore of Solo and Chewie.
It wasn't a terrible movie but it's 6/7 territory. The SJW bot felt hamfisted as fuck and while I actually liked the destination that character went and felt that did add to the Solo Mythos the character was introduced in a grating manor.
In places the movie felt like a live action Rebels episode and that actually helps the SJW bot be more endearing in the end. I did like the droid revolt. I actually feel upon further reflection that Donald Glover didn't really do anything for me as Lando.
Chewie and Woody and the world happening around the characters are THE best things of this film to me.
It wasn't a terrible movie but it's 6/7 territory. The SJW bot felt hamfisted as fuck and while I actually liked the destination that character went and felt that did add to the Solo Mythos the character was introduced in a grating manor.
In places the movie felt like a live action Rebels episode and that actually helps the SJW bot be more endearing in the end. I did like the droid revolt. I actually feel upon further reflection that Donald Glover didn't really do anything for me as Lando.
Chewie and Woody and the world happening around the characters are THE best things of this film to me.
infinitys_7th
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The SJW bot does not even make sense in context.
The whole film she is portrayed as seeking independence. You get that goofy scene where she dies.
Then her soul is more or less enslaved on the Millenium Falcon to be used as a tool, which the film treats as a positive.
Not sure what they were trying to get across.
CampbellzSoup
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Maybe they wanted to give fans a celebratory moment when that annoying droid dies? It had to be it was just some hamfisted and awful.
andythinkpad
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Yeah that subplot (l3/Lando feelings) makes no sense from beginning to end. I guess the only explanation is LucasFilm's urge to connect everything back to the OT is stronger than the SJW pandering.
Also the Lando displays no affection to the droid in the movie, which makes L3 a self indulged moron. And somehow the script writer say Lando is a "pansexual" in an interview in order to make L3 look better. Why don't you write it in the story in the first place?
manfestival
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That was pretty good. Is there a video like this for The Last Jedi? I am curious, I wasn't in the states when I watched it and nobody really cared about anything where I was cause... hippies
Typhares
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BANGS
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While I have tons of complaints, I overall enjoyed Solo. I think Star Wars fans in general have this strange delusion that Star Wars pre-prequels was always this super serious and perfect series with no faults or something, like they gotta pick on every little detail that isn't perfect in the newer films. I could pick on a ton of shit in Solo, but reality is this is just a Star Wars movie, it's not meant to be taken seriously. Shut your brain off, enjoy the lazers and cool characters, and have fun...
Atanascovich
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Its a fun space adventure movie. The less star wars in it the better. And it's not about young Harrison Ford. It's young Han Solo, wich was fine.
Bolivar687
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It's kinda weird but even though it didn't blow me away or give me everything I'm looking for in a Star Wars film, this is probably the Disney one I can most unreservedly say I liked.
SonicSleuth
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I can't believe how many people liked this movie. I thought it was f'ing garbage, with some good performances nonetheless. So dumb. So very, very dumb. It felt like a College Humor sketch about Han Solo. I imagine if you liked the new dumb Trek movie you liked this one.
Catphish
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I just saw it. I loved it, except I don't quite understand what
was doing in it. I'll have to research that a bit.
Aside from that, I loved it. It's my favorite since Rogue One.
Edit: I guess the answer to my question lies in the animated stuff, which I never watched. Ok, so it's on the level canon-wise. That's good. I hope to see more of him, perhaps in a Solo sequel.
Darth Fucking Maul
Aside from that, I loved it. It's my favorite since Rogue One.
Edit: I guess the answer to my question lies in the animated stuff, which I never watched. Ok, so it's on the level canon-wise. That's good. I hope to see more of him, perhaps in a Solo sequel.
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I just saw it. I loved it, except I don't quite understand whatwas doing in it. I'll have to research that a bit.Darth Fucking Maul
Aside from that, I loved it. It's my favorite since Rogue One.
Not personally verified, but a friend mentioned that the screenplay (at least the initial draft) doesn't name the Big Bad who shows up in the scene, and Lawrence Kasdan didn't know who Darth Maul was.
Catphish
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Wat.Not personally verified, but a friend mentioned that the screenplay (at least the initial draft) doesn't name the Big Bad who shows up in the scene, and Lawrence Kasdan didn't know who Darth Maul was.
How could you not know one of the coolest characters in the entire franchise?
Nikana
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I expected Solo to be a train wreck but I walked out liking it the most of the new movies.
Episode 7 feels like a movie trying too hard to be star wars.
Epsiode 8.... Jeezus. Just... Faceplam
Rogue One was decent but I had issues with this need to make the death star venerable lore "fix." But I really enjoyed the look and feel. It felt serious and not like a marvel movie like epsiode 8.
Solo was a lot of freaking fun and was epic. It's not perfect by any means, but I went on an adventure and had some cool shit happen along the way. I learnt a bit more about some characters and while I didn't love every aspect, it felt like a star wars movie.
I am in the minority in that I think the prequels are better than the OG but that's a debate for another time.
But my point is that Star Wars was NEVER a masterpiece. Its a movie about space wizards who do cool shit and do it with friends. Sometimes things go bad, sometimes they go right, but in the end you go on an adventure and everyone on screen and yourself are in it together.
Episode 7 feels like a movie trying too hard to be star wars.
Epsiode 8.... Jeezus. Just... Faceplam
Rogue One was decent but I had issues with this need to make the death star venerable lore "fix." But I really enjoyed the look and feel. It felt serious and not like a marvel movie like epsiode 8.
Solo was a lot of freaking fun and was epic. It's not perfect by any means, but I went on an adventure and had some cool shit happen along the way. I learnt a bit more about some characters and while I didn't love every aspect, it felt like a star wars movie.
I am in the minority in that I think the prequels are better than the OG but that's a debate for another time.
But my point is that Star Wars was NEVER a masterpiece. Its a movie about space wizards who do cool shit and do it with friends. Sometimes things go bad, sometimes they go right, but in the end you go on an adventure and everyone on screen and yourself are in it together.
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Dr. Claus
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Couldn't get through that video. Just not my style of review and honestly I disagreed with a lot of their points.
Solo is a harmless summer Star Wars flick on par with Rogue One or The Phantom Menace. Not fantastic, but not absolutely horrible. I thought the actor did well as a young Han Solo, I enjoyed Glover's and Clarke's performances and it had enough interesting to keep me invested throughout the story. The only issue I had was the really poor "comedic relief" that was L3. That character could have been removed and the story would have been better for it.
Solo is a harmless summer Star Wars flick on par with Rogue One or The Phantom Menace. Not fantastic, but not absolutely horrible. I thought the actor did well as a young Han Solo, I enjoyed Glover's and Clarke's performances and it had enough interesting to keep me invested throughout the story. The only issue I had was the really poor "comedic relief" that was L3. That character could have been removed and the story would have been better for it.
OH-MyCar
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That's gotta be rough. I like the OT and the PT and I always feel alone. I've always felt the PT, when watched with The Clone Wars, fleshes out the world in ways that OT zealots never acknowledge. It frustrates me to no end that they'll argue that Disney's iteration is as shallow as a puddle (which it is), complain about "world-building" and then just throw out the PT entirely. There's a lot of great stuff there, even if the execution was off.
I always say: Track down the storyboards for Episode 1 and approach it as if you were reading a comic book. Those storyboards are amazing. Everything that went "wrong" with TPM was between that and making it to film, because it's one of the best Star Wars films on paper.
But back on topic: I think I'll give Solo a shot once it hits home. I've seen enough people with opinions that mirror my own argue that it's much better than TLJ.
Nikana
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The world of Star wars is what I love and that's why I love the prequels. It looks a little strange now due to advancements in tech but some of the stuff in the prequels are just so effing epic.
Phantom menace lightsaber fight is still so effing epic. Maul is such a bad ass and the exchange between Obi Wan and Mail is legit 20 seconds of pure adrenaline.
Attack of the Clones took us to a lot of cool places like Kamino and really showed off the world. When all the Jedi show up in the final act i still get chills.
Revenge of the Sith is probably my favorite. The opening is fantastic. The first 20 minutes is just awesome. Anakin vs Obi Wan is still awesome to witness and Sidious Vs Yoda felt like the galaxy was at stake.
There's a lot of dumb stuff and if even say idiotic stuff in all of the star wars movies but I'll never understand why the OG gets a pass for some stuff but everything the PT does is scrutinized for days.
I like the OG too but I feel like Empire and the final act of Return of the Jedi are the only real stand out moments. And I liked the pacing of the PT more.
But if you like the PT I think you'll like solo. It's definitely more action than story and it gets a bit silly but it's a fun adventure.
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Not personally verified, but a friend mentioned that the screenplay (at least the initial draft) doesn't name the Big Bad who shows up in the scene, and Lawrence Kasdan didn't know who Darth Maul was.
Ron Howard confirmed that there was a short list of characters considered for a cameo, he chose *that character* specifically because his kids grew up with the prequels AND that character was a perfect choice considering their arc in the animated series and known crime syndicate affiliations before Solo takes place.
Surprisingly, Aldren Ehrenreich was terrific. I was expecting the worst from the trailer, but he captured the spirit of the character without descending into caricature. Otherwise, it was bang average. Nothing terrible aside from Emilia Clarke, who was gratingly chipper considering her character was supposed to have lived a life of hardship and pseudo-slavery, and the complete waste of a good Thandie Newton. Donald Glover was fun, even if he slightly overplayed the smarm. Paul Bettany was obviously fun, because he's Paul Bettany. The film looked good. The action was competently mounted, but not especially well edited. Everything else elicited no greater feeling than 'oh, right'. The plot, what little there actually was, felt like had been written solely to 'explain' events referenced in previous movies which didn't need explaining (was there really a need for Han to be 'called' Solo?) and were better left to the imagination. There were parts where the cuts/reshoots were really obvious, particularly the reveal that one of the space pirates was... some woman (I'm guessing she was originally Woody + Thandie's daughter considering what a big deal the camera made of her). The droid felt like she might've had a bigger part originally, but instead felt like a half-baked 'overzealous reactionary activist' joke which wasn't fully committed to (possibly for fear of drawing Twitter fury). It went on a good half an hour too long. The definition of 'inessential', but better than it could have been - which admittedly isn't saying much.
Darth Maul is not cool. He is cool looking, but that is not the same thing. He's like Boba Fett, a character built up by the fans for some reason.
In the "canon" Darth Maul got cut in half, survived somehow, became a spider, and got killed by Obi-Wan a second time. His fate is more or less as embarrassing as Fett's who, let's be honest, was dispatched by a blind guy with a stick.
The guy is equal parts joke and cautionary tale. There's nothing cool about that.
Catphish
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I'm just talking about his character in TPM. I've never seen the TV shows.
He was poorly developed, tragically underused, and 100% awesome.
llien
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Didn't he kill Qui-Gon Jinn in "canon"?
If you're counting, Qui-Gon only died once.
Alfadawg
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My take is...it's the best Starwars movie since Rogue One, which IMO is the best Starwars film.
Both have plenty of new worlds and new characters but some fans just want to see the world burn.
Solo is suffering from 3 issues:
1. Too soon since the last starwars movie, people have come to expect them during christmas
2. Busy period, we've just had Infinity War and Deadpool is hanging around.
3. Last Jedi backlash cos let's face it...it's fucking shit. Even Luke Skywalker said so.
Both have plenty of new worlds and new characters but some fans just want to see the world burn.
Solo is suffering from 3 issues:
1. Too soon since the last starwars movie, people have come to expect them during christmas
2. Busy period, we've just had Infinity War and Deadpool is hanging around.
3. Last Jedi backlash cos let's face it...it's fucking shit. Even Luke Skywalker said so.
BANGS
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I wish people would stop putting stock into this stuff. Mark isn't even a Star Wars fan...
BANGS
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To be fair, none of the returning cast are anything like their original characters. Even Chewy is a cartoon version of himself. The only character who even seemed believable to some extent was Leia, but then she went SSJ Jedi in space...
Best to embrace these changes and love the new total package, than to just cry that Luke wasn't Luke... If you're a fan you gotta take the highs with the lows. We survived the prequels, we can survive anything...
This is another thing I wish people would stop crying about. Nothing about the original movies and the way you enjoyed them changed because a new movie came out that you didn't like. If you wanted the new movies to just be some lame fanfiction where every character is exactly as you'd expect and does exactly what you'd expect, then just read a fanfiction. There's a reason those stories have a stigma...
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manfestival
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Catphish
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I actually just finished rewatching TLJ literally 5 min ago. I got the DVD as a gift, so I figured what the hell.
Seriously, man. That shit sucks.
Everything good about it has a negating force. For every smile, there's a wince, for every Wow! there's a facepalm.
I'm disgusted.
Again.
Seriously, man. That shit sucks.
Everything good about it has a negating force. For every smile, there's a wince, for every Wow! there's a facepalm.
I'm disgusted.
Again.
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MoFuzz
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So, by that logic, we just need to blindly accept whatever is being shoved down our throats, regardless of how it tastes? There's no need to stay internally consistent, or demand any standard of quality? Don't you feel as though that line of thinking will inevitably lead to mediocrity and sub-par content? I don't feel compelled to like anything just because it's stamped with the logo on the packaging. Products and content earn their place by demonstrating that they have something of value to offer, not based on brand loyalty alone.
You mentioned lame fanfiction, and yet that is exactly the type of criticism that many fans have leveled at Star Wars under Disney. You have all of the hallmarks on full display:
- a self-insert character in Rey, who endures no hardship, never fails, excels at everything and is generally well liked by all. She is meant to appeal to everyone, yet ironically, no one relates to her, because she never loses and is given everything for free
- meaningless or disregarded plot lines (Rey's parentage, Snoke, Knights of Ren)
- complete disregard for internal consistency by breaking rules of its own universe
- ambiguous and inconsistent motivations for its characters, which betray how they were previously depicted (especially main characters)
- unbearably contrived and cringe inducing love interests in both Finn/Rose and of course ReyLo that make anti-sense and were shoehorned into the movie with zero shame to pander to fans who wish to "ship" everyone and everything
- monumentally challenging situations which are resolved either by jarringly obvious conveniences, (master code breaker in a cell) Deus Ex Machina (Carrie Poppins), idiot plots (countless) or worse
Is it really so hard to believe that some people don't like the direction of a franchise because it simply isn't any good?
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strange headache
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Normally I would agree, but in this case it did take away from my enjoyment of the original trilogy.
When the prequels introduced the notion of Midi-Chlorians it meant that the force was simply given, not earned. This was already bad enough, but at least Anakin had to go through rigorous training an develop his force talents over time. The new movies made it so much worse because they got completely rid of that aspect, taking away not only from Rey's accomplishments but also Luke's. It completely changes your perception of the old movies and diminishes the meaningful relation established between Obi-Wan, Yoda and Luke.
I wasn't a big fan of the prequels, but at least they showed a modicum of respect for the legacy of their characters. Seeing Luke become a disillusioned hermit that has not only betrayed but completely given up on his Jedi principles really changed the way how I watch the original movies. Knowing how Luke will end up, kinda ruined the hopeful and principled meaning behind his struggles and challenges in the original trilogy.
More than lightsabers, I always found the philosophy of Jediism so much more enjoyable, culminating in the wisdom of Yoda. Yeah, I may be weird like that, but there are some strong messages to be found in Yoda's words and actions. The prequels at least carried that spirit forward, even though they changed Yoda into some weird little lightsaber tornado. Unfortunately that same spirit that carried the original movies for me is nowhere to be found in the new movies. Where's the wisdom, the philosophy of Jediism, the insightful messages? It's all lame jokes and explosions now.
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