ickythingz
Banned
This is gold.
The movie was terrible. The SJW robot had the entire theater (half empty btw) groaning every time it was on screen. I was happy about that actually. Maybe people are starting to see through the BS.
Solo: A Star Wars Story: An Unbridled Rage (spoilers)
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This is gold.
The movie was terrible. The SJW robot had the entire theater (half empty btw) groaning every time it was on screen. I was happy about that actually. Maybe people are starting to see through the BS.
TheShadowLord
Member
I wonder if Phil Lord and Christopher Miller had not been fired before Ron Howard over, would Solo have been a better movie. But it seems like this guy playing as Solo was not right for the role
Greedings
Member
Wait...there are people who actually liked Rogue One? Jesus, that film was the one that made me stop watching Nu-Star Wars.
Catphish
Member
I loved Rogue One. I think it's the best Star Wars movie outside of the original trilogy.
Hissing Sid
Member
Anything else I need to embrace that I literally cannot stand?
Teresa May?
Jamie Oliver?
My Mother-in-law?
I should just put up with shit and lap it up because 'Star Wars'?
Lol bless you no.
BANGS
Banned
If you consider yourself a Star Wars fan, absolutely... You can't expect it to be great all the time, only a fanboy would do that...
Save for Emilia Clark's acting still consisting mostly of her just contorting her caterpillar eyebrows in new impossible ways, the movie wasn't that bad. Still, I'm glad it didn't do good at the BO for two reasons. One, it was a cash grab nobody asked for, and two, I still feel spurned by TLJ completely tossing out or defusing every interesting plot point they had setup in TFA.
IpsoFacto
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RLM makes a really strong case. That Star Wars shouldn't be a franchise that produces a movie every year because franchise fatigue is a thing. And nothing is immune to it.
As a whole, if you watched Solo as pure escapism / mindless sci-fi fun it's OK. It's not a masterpiece, nor it's so bad, it's unwatchable. For the more hardcore SW fan it commits the weird sin of being painfully average.
And when you have people praising Rouge One and The Force Awakens, releasing a so-so movie is almost insulting.
As a whole, if you watched Solo as pure escapism / mindless sci-fi fun it's OK. It's not a masterpiece, nor it's so bad, it's unwatchable. For the more hardcore SW fan it commits the weird sin of being painfully average.
And when you have people praising Rouge One and The Force Awakens, releasing a so-so movie is almost insulting.
It's like it's in her contract that she can't do it on GoT for some reason. That eyebrow stuff mesmerizes me. She's as mediocre an actress as she is extraordinarily charming anywhere else...
Come to think of it, I guess she gets to play herself more than usual in Solo, so that's why I don't mind her performance. Even though it makes less and less sense as the story progresses and her character is supposed to change etc. She's so ill-suited for roles like Sarah Connor or Daenerys.
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DoctorEkkoUK
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The only thing I didnt like in Solo was the whole surname bullshit. So unnecessary
thequestion
Member
The movie was okay. This isn't a movie a lot (if any) people were asking for, but they made it, and it turned out okay. I mildly enjoyed it....
..Disney needs to take a look at Kathleen Kennedy and move her away from Star Wars. They have endless resources at Disney and the 'new' star wars film's creative output have given us: Death Star that's a planet. Luke Skywalker is an idiot-hermit-insane-person, and two prequel movies, when it felt like audiences, had had they're fill of prequel star wars movies. They also shoehorn SJW propaganda into these newer films, which is a polarizing topic - Star Wars should be for everybody and should leave our earth politics out of it. And even if everyone really felt SJW topics needed to be included in Star Wars films, a good writer and director could still include SJW stuff in there, without hitting you over the head with it.
There has got to be someone out there who was a huge star wars fan, who works in the film industry, and knows how a film is constructed. Right? No? No, one in hollywood is a huge fan of star wars and has had lots of idea's germinating in their brain for that last couple of decades? Perhaps Star Wars is actually creatively bankrupt. George was right. Selling at the right time at that price.... He's on his ranch laughing, if that's true.
..Disney needs to take a look at Kathleen Kennedy and move her away from Star Wars. They have endless resources at Disney and the 'new' star wars film's creative output have given us: Death Star that's a planet. Luke Skywalker is an idiot-hermit-insane-person, and two prequel movies, when it felt like audiences, had had they're fill of prequel star wars movies. They also shoehorn SJW propaganda into these newer films, which is a polarizing topic - Star Wars should be for everybody and should leave our earth politics out of it. And even if everyone really felt SJW topics needed to be included in Star Wars films, a good writer and director could still include SJW stuff in there, without hitting you over the head with it.
There has got to be someone out there who was a huge star wars fan, who works in the film industry, and knows how a film is constructed. Right? No? No, one in hollywood is a huge fan of star wars and has had lots of idea's germinating in their brain for that last couple of decades? Perhaps Star Wars is actually creatively bankrupt. George was right. Selling at the right time at that price.... He's on his ranch laughing, if that's true.
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OH-MyCar
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Probably a controversial opinion these days, but: Lately I've seen people make the argument that Kathleen Kennedy isn't the one who's sinking the ship, but it's the head of the story group (Hidalgo) and I think there's some merit there. Yes she's said & done some things that've thrown gasoline on the fire, but a lot of what's going wrong is the story group's responsibility. She's not a fan. She's a businesswoman and that's a perfectly fine set-up provided the story group isn't green lighting a lot of these bad choices. When she looked at TLJ, she seen a Marvel-esque blockbuster which she had in all probability assumed met all of the criteria for what the fans wanted. Hell, she produced Indiana Jones, Back to the Future, Jurassic Park, The Goonies, (my personal favorite) An American goddamned Tail... Let's give a iota of credit there for letting the creatives do what they need to do.
Of course she's the "boss" and it's all ultimately her responsibility, but I'd still argue that a lot of what's poisoning the franchise is coming from the story group. People have said Filoni needs to take her place, which is patently absurd and about as naive as it gets. However, Filoni ahead of the Story Group? That could turn some things around for the better.
Of course she's the "boss" and it's all ultimately her responsibility, but I'd still argue that a lot of what's poisoning the franchise is coming from the story group. People have said Filoni needs to take her place, which is patently absurd and about as naive as it gets. However, Filoni ahead of the Story Group? That could turn some things around for the better.
Sakura Doritos
Member
I think the idea of having the robot meld with the falcon is that in the original trilogy Han would refer to the falcon as "her" and at times C3P0 iirc was asked to plug in to the hyperdrive and talk to "her."
I think they were trying to anthropomorphise that reference to create a unique connection. Like Han had stolen his side chick from Lando's Perspective.
ruvikx
Banned
It says a lot about the strange highly politized mentality of the writers & producers, i.e. at the time (1970's/80's) all ships were female. That had been a constant for centuries ergo it was extremely normal to refer to the Millenium Falcon as a 'she'. When Fred Haise in the Apollo 13 mission (portrayed by Bill Paxton in the movie) said "she sure was a good ship" after jettisoning Aquarius into space, he wasn't insinuating the ship was possessed by the spirit of a female robot.
I jest, obviously, but when the original Star Wars trilogy was made a ship was always female, end of story. It's only modern Hollywood & its weird political warriors who felt the need to 'explain' why Solo calls the Falcon 'her' (I can only surmise the Disney bigwigs were 'triggered' by that fact for multiple insane reasons). And then they wonder why a large section of the fanbase hates them? Pro-tip: they're weirdos who believe they're 'fighting the good fight' when in effect they're simply going #fullretard & essentially bastardizing Star Wars because they'd rather embrace the role of crass propagandists than behave like actual filmmakers/storytellers.
ruvikx
Banned
Nothing is greenlit without Kennedy's approval, ergo everything which went wrong with the story is also her responsibility.
OH-MyCar
Member
That's exactly what I said. The failings are ultimately her responsibility, but knowing what makes Star Wars tick isn't necessarily her job. It's the job of the Story Group, which she hired to ensure that these films would be in line with "what makes a Star Wars film".
She's produced some of the best films of all-time. There's no reason to believe she can't produce the best Star Wars we've ever seen with a Story Group that's not poisoning the well (I know there's a good Count Dooku joke in there somewhere). I mean TLJ is a great example of this: Most of the people who have no issues with it aren't die-hard Star Wars fans. That's a sign that she's doing at least half of her job correctly, because she's not an "idea" person. She's the person who's there to let the creatives do what they need to do. The problem is that the creatives are, for lack of a better word, shit at Star Wars.
So she certainly shares responsibility, but I think there'd be much smoother sailing if she remained and the Story Group were thrown in with the Dianoga.
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ruvikx
Banned
Even in the event we give Kennedy the benefit of the doubt (I wouldn't), the fact she has produced some of the best movies 'of all-time' (in your own opinion) itself wouldn't mean diddly-squat in terms of her credentials as a Star Wars producer, i.e. often in filmmaking, certain people are just a bad fit for the genre. Disney's Star Wars (so far, with the notable exception of Rogue One) have been a Frankenstein-esque mishmash depending on nostalgia & fan service to drive ticket sales... whilst schizophrenically actively cr*pping all over the source material & also attempting to combine a liberal political message with the most crass & obvious greed in terms of making a 'safe' product which will sell to everyone - not just around the world - but also to every gender, race & age group. The cast in particular is a pure result of the producers playing demographics & handpicking characters based upon a criteria dictated by modern socio economic theories (the belief diversity makes more money).
Rose for example only existed in The Last Jedi because Disney craved the Chinese market, yet also wanted to pioneer an Asian feminist angle as well. Why did it fail? Because the character was poorly written, contradicted herself at the end & was portrayed by a bland actress. When looking at these movies, I'd say they're the complete opposite of 'risky' (which certain critics insinuated vis-à-vis The Last Jedi as a reason why fans didn't like it), but rather on the contrary they're totally safe products (in this modern climate) & attempt to marry too many conflicting & incompatible imperatives (politics + worldwide market appeal + merchandizing + humor + kid friendly content + fan service nostalgia) into one package in order to make the biggest cultural splash & generate lots of money (to quote Tom Cruise in Tropic Thunder).
People shouldn't kid themselves, i.e. these films are vetted & processed at the highest echelons of Disney & nothing gets greenlit without all the big decision makers agreeing on the content. Kennedy herself (let's be honest) also follows orders in that respect. When factoring in all the aspects Disney placed importance upon (over good storytelling), I say they were clearly not the right people to make a Star Wars trilogy.
MoFuzz
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When Kathleen Kennedy proudly wore a "The Force is Female" t-shirt publically, I rolled my eyes at the shameless pandering. When she stated on record that girls can't relate to Luke Skywalker and Han Solo simply because they're male, while deliberately attempting to "correct" that with inserting female protagonists who contain zero development or growth in three out of your four movies, I facepalmed. I'm sorry, but that just torpedoes all credibility or sympathy I would have carried for this person.
If she was truly a champion for oppressed females, why the hell hasn't she hired a single female director for any past or future projects? Why aren't there any female writers working on the films? I understand that the story group is majority female, but I am seriously skeptical as to what their actual function and contribution to the films are, because I don't see anyone from that bunch credited for writing on the films. All of these bleeding heart Hollywood types with their talk of social justice and equality in the workplace and yet they don't place women in the creative positions that matter. Put your money where your mouth is, Lucasfilm.
If she was truly a champion for oppressed females, why the hell hasn't she hired a single female director for any past or future projects? Why aren't there any female writers working on the films? I understand that the story group is majority female, but I am seriously skeptical as to what their actual function and contribution to the films are, because I don't see anyone from that bunch credited for writing on the films. All of these bleeding heart Hollywood types with their talk of social justice and equality in the workplace and yet they don't place women in the creative positions that matter. Put your money where your mouth is, Lucasfilm.
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BANGS
Banned
Basically what they're saying is that strong talented women are scifi/fantasy...
ickythingz
Banned
There is a lot more going on here than people trying to make good movies. The people in charge of this stuff absolutely have agendas they must propagate. This is no secret and is exactly why you will never see a good Star Wars movie for years to come. The agenda will ALWAYS come first. Creativity is not something anyone making Star Wars movies cares about in the least.
Sakura Doritos
Member
The crazy thing is that Lost Stars is one of the best books of the new Canon. It was written by a YA young adult author that caters to females audiences in her other body of work. Lost Stars main character is a strong female. The story resonates with ALL audiences and the author was commissioned to do the Bloodlines book which portrays Leia to be a bad ass and actually makes the acting of Fisher in ep7 make sense. That is the care she took after seeing a pre-screener of ep7.
It is tier zero level awesome, yet no announcements regarding a Lost Stars sequel movie or sequel novel is even being rumored and Ahsoka is probably going to be the next cartoon.
There are plenty of strong females in SW canon and there is at least one female author, Claudia Gray, that is batting a thousand in terms of great canon story telling.
If the agenda was more than lip service there would be real movement. But if they don't think it will sell to movie goers it will be relegated to optional media.
Russo
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The rating of this movie is too poor. My personal rating for this movie is 4.5 out of 10.
lifa-cobex
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WaterAstro
Member
Feels like all the money they gained from Marvel movies is being lost on Star Wars movies.
buizel
Banned
Eh, id say only a fanboy will be willing to take whatever that media produces, good or bad, and lap it up. The literal definition.
BANGS
Banned
The difference is that a fanboy will pretend their are no faults and that it's completely perfect, or in this case will bash everything new because the original trilogy was flawless and everything else pales in comparison. A fan will do his best to enjoy the media despite the flaws. A fan recognizes the original trilogy was far from perfect and that alot of the new stuff really improves on things. A fan realizes star wars was always a kid's sci fi adventure and should never have been taken as seriously as it is. It's the fanboys who are delusional enough to believe in star wars gospel and cry that ep8 "ruined their childhood" because they can't understand how their hero could have a moment of weakness...
infinitys_7th
Member
Apparently Luke Skywalker himself is one of those fanboys who had his "childhood ruined", as he thought Luke's new character was bad too.
BANGS
Banned
Yeah, he's not even a Star Wars fan. Wouldn't put much stock into his input...
moviesonline
Neo Member
It was a brilliant thought to explain how Han Solo became Han Solo. However, all of that information could've been wrapped up nicely and presented to us in one of the main franchise films, a comic book series, or video game. Not a feature length film.
Death Dealer
Member
Solo was better than I expected considering all of the negative publicity. I actually like the spin off films, Rogue One and Solo, better than the two main Disney SW movies.
Unknown Quantity
Member
Thought it was an enjoyable movie throughout, occasional headshaking but that's cause of Canon love. I enjoyed the six solo books and so the movie was bound to pinch a few nerves.
Mara Jade was the most bad ass female character in the Star Wars universe.
Mara Jade was the most bad ass female character in the Star Wars universe.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Huge Star Wars nerd, to the point I was raised on them, and have seen them hundreds of times. I can't wven tell you how many times I've seen empire, I used to watch it when I was little, rewind it, and watch it again. Star Wars for me was life.
And you know what?
Solo is the best Star Wars movie since the original trilogy for me. It's exciting, the theme is spot on, it all fits... hell even the guy playing solo who everybody moans about and had an acting coach, is damn good.
So as a real Star Wars fan, a huge one, it was perfect for me. It makes me quite sad to see so many people don't like it, and so many people won't even see it due to negative press...
And you know what?
Solo is the best Star Wars movie since the original trilogy for me. It's exciting, the theme is spot on, it all fits... hell even the guy playing solo who everybody moans about and had an acting coach, is damn good.
So as a real Star Wars fan, a huge one, it was perfect for me. It makes me quite sad to see so many people don't like it, and so many people won't even see it due to negative press...
ruvikx
Banned
I just finally got around to seeing Solo & I'd forced myself to ignore all opinions, whether positive or negative, about the whole movie before judging for myself. Here's the short version: it's a bland, bad movie with clichés across the board & several serious issues which retroactively make the original trilogy worse. The butchering of Lando Calrissian's character was not something I expected (since he was one of the elements praised by the critics), but when it transpired he was essentially f*cking a third wave feminist robot with a funny walk & sarcasm as sole personality trait back in the 'old days', it's equal to Luke drinking green booby milk & attempting to murder his nephew in The Last Jedi on the "we're destroying this iconic character" scale.
I actually thought the beginning was quite good (Lady Proxima looked ridiculous though, i.e. a hybrid penisworm mutant creature) & the chase sequence was enjoyable. Visually the movie is far too dark & the biggest issue I had is the fact the movie is barely about Han Solo at all. I didn't expect to say this, but Alden Ehrenreich was actually okay as Han Solo & his scenes with Chewbacca (+ how they met) were the best part of the movie. But he's barely given any real material to work with at all & what we get is Woody Harrelson reprising his same exposition role from The Hunger Games (he's the guy who tells the audience & Han what the f is going on), a small monkey type pilot who's supposed to be funny & is in fact a clear ripoff Rocket from Guardian of the Galaxy, & then the middle part goes totally off the rails & becomes a story about Donald Glover pretending to be Lando (& making him a weirdo) + his robot L3 who totally derailed the movie. 'She' was a metallic version of Jar Jar in terms of annoying… except with sarcasm & uncouthness as her defining traits.
I still think there could have been a decent Star Wars movie made out of that lot, but that's not what we got. It deserved to flop IMO & blaming The Last Jedi's backlash ignores the fact it's just not a good movie which at best appeared like an awkward try hard beating the audience over the head with tropes & jokes revisited thousands of times before.
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Grinchy
Banned
With all this hindsight now, the tin foil hat-wearing side of me almost feels like all that publicity about having to hire an acting coach for the main guy was just a smokescreen to keep the conversation from talking about the 10 things that were really wrong with it. I still need to watch this at some point for the sole purpose of making fun of it, but I just don't know if I can get through it.
MilkyJoe
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ruvikx
Banned
It should have been a sequel to Episode 6 (post Return of the Jedi) & Ehrenreich should have portrayed Han Solo's son. I mean that would automatically more sense than what we were served with Kylo because unlike the latter (Adam Driver & his massive ears), Ehrenreich actually does look like he could be related to Harrison Ford & Carrie Fisher.
Disney might wonder 'how' & 'why' Lucasfilm got it all so wrong, but here's something the spin-off "Story" Star Wars failed immediately: they're prequels/stand alone movies which do not enhance the main trilogy in any form whatsoever, unlike Marvel's Universe in which all the movies are interconnected to varying degrees. Who cares about Han Solo now when he has already
been killed later in the Star Wars timeline by his own son?
A prequel set decades earlier to that event is just all so pointless & forgettable, i.e. nothing more than an expensive fanfiction.
Cato
Banned
#Phonepunk#
Banned
i really liked Rogue One, like, i almost think it is a better movie than Return of the Jedi. if ROTJ didn't have the og cast then i would prefer it. it's weird, almost as if them just being upfront about it all and saying "Hey, we know we are just re-doing the OT, so here we go..." allowed them to actually do some creative stuff. i loved the returning political drama from ANH as a plot point. i loved the non-Jedi force user who is actually the only unique portrayal of the force since the PT. yeah it's corny but i mean this is Star Wars it's going to be corny.
loved Jyn's intro sequence, the heart breaking bit where her family is confronted by the Empire. the Disney movies have been so bad at presenting the Empire as a threat, all the characters never seem to be in any real danger, so this was a nice change of pace. i thought the robot was funny and the fan service scenes were wonderful. i would take this over TLJ, which bashes you over the head with how original it is being while doing the same old shit. at least Rogue One is honest about it.
still haven't seen Solo. it's sounds as appealing as watching the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles instead of Raiders.
Nymphae
Banned
This is the first Star Wars movie I have not seen, and I don't really plan on it. I was a MASSIVE Star Wars fan growing up, but they've just sullied the brand a lot to the point that I don't even care what they do with it. I still have my Blu Ray collection of the first 6 films, all I need.
Grinchy
Banned
Yeah, I don't quite understand it either. I really disliked it the first time I saw it. I saw a lot of love for it online and TLJ was so bad that I thought I should give it another chance. It was even worse the 2nd time. It's obviously way more competent as a film than TLJ, but that isn't saying much. And Forest Whitaker gave one of the most cringey and distracting performances I've seen in some time.
Cybrwzrd
Banned
That is like saying a General shouldn't know how to make battle plans. Yes, she doesn't need to be writing the script, but she needs to be able to look at everything from the 30,000 ft view of management and see how pieces are fitting together, and she has no clue what she is doing with Star Wars.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
it is the global brand that invented merchandising, and in the hands of the merchandising juggernaut of the 20/21st centuries. they will do just fine. they do not even need a plan, people will line up regardless. they don't need to care. KK has said she only saw Star Wars when it came out because she worked in film and it was a big deal.
KK has stated that they approach things from a story first point of view, where they come up with a plot outline first and then fit the characters in. she has stated that the characters are the last thing they think of. it's in one of the Mark Hamill TLJ press tour compilation videos.
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