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Somalia after the pirates

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Walpurgis

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Somalia threatened by illegal fishermen after west chases away pirates (October 31, 2015)
TL;DR at the bottom.
the guardian said:
Five years ago, the isolated outpost of Eyl was Somalia’s most notorious pirate lair. Perched above the crashing waves of the Indian Ocean, the ramshackle town played host to wheeling and dealing pirate kingpins who would roar through the rutted streets in tinted 4x4s as captured ships languished in the shallow waters. [...] Pirate-hunting western warships belatedly dispatched to the region as part of Nato, US and European Union forces to pacify the pirates and end the hijacking and hostage-taking of western ships and their crews, seem to have won the battle.

[...] Unfortunately for the local population, as the pirates have departed, other aggressors have returned. While the world has shifted its attention elsewhere, marauding flotillas from countries such as Yemen, Iran and South Korea – in flagrant breach of international maritime law – have begun to plunder Somalia’s rich fishing grounds, plunging the local fishermen who hold up the town’s economy into financial ruin.

Overfishing, which devastated the livelihoods of coastal communities a decade ago, is regarded as the principal reason for the initial outbreak of piracy. The waters off Somalia’s 1,880-mile coastline are among the richest fishing grounds in the world, teeming with shark, tuna, sardines, snapper and lobster. The illegal fishermen, their rusty tubs flying flags of convenience and protected by armed Somali brigands from further up the coast, chase off local fishermen who come too close – ramming their boats, shooting at them or sabotaging their gear. It’s a deadly fight that has raged largely unseen and unreported.

[...] “Nato came because of the piracy, but the cause of piracy is the illegal fishing,” says Wa’is, the Eyl official. “If Nato can chase away the pirates, then why not the illegal fishermen?”

It is a view echoed by Abdullahi Jama Saleh, Puntland’s counter-piracy minister, who accuses the west of having “a mandate to catch the little thief, but not the big one”.

For Mahamoud, it is just a small step back to the life he used to lead, sourcing resources and weapons for the pirates. Both the Nato and EU mandates expire at the end of 2016, and western officials say member states are applying pressure to redeploy the warships to the Mediterranean and elsewhere. “If Nato goes, we will attack them,” says Mahamoud, eyes blazing as he rails against the western warships seen to be protecting the illegal fishermen. “We will kill and be killed.”

Somalia’s modern-day piracy began when impoverished fishermen extorted money from unlicensed foreign fishing vessels. It evolved into a multimillion dollar criminal enterprise that at its height saw a $9.5m ransom paid for the release of the South Korean tanker, Samho Dream. In early 2011, pirates were holding more than 700 captives.

[...] Now, says Faisal Wa’is, a frustrated Eyl official, nothing has changed. “We are back to square one,” he says. “The illegal fishermen are back, and … I am afraid that piracy may come back

“Illegal fishing is gouging from the nascent Somali economy a source of revenue that could help build much-needed infrastructure, provide healthcare and education to those who go without, and restore arid lands to grazing pastures,” says Degan Ali, executive director of Adeso, an African NGO working with coastal communities in Somalia.

[...] The pirates still attract broad sympathy in Somalia. Those caught were tried in foreign lands and later repatriated to Somalia to serve terms ranging from two to 24 years. But most of those incarcerated in Puntland’s prisons in Bosaso and Garowe are the foot soldiers. The pirate kingpins are still at large, easily able to elude the weak authorities that are believed to have benefited from the trade.

In March, pirates seized two Iranian dhows off central Somalia – one later escaped – and a UN report last month named notorious pirate Mohamed Osman Mohamed “Gafanje” as the mastermind behind the attack.

“The thing people forget is that the pirates haven’t gone away, they are still holding 50 hostages, most of those victims from illegal fishing boats,” says John Steed from Ocean Beyond Piracy. “They could easily go back to taking vessels again.”

[...] Saleh, the counter-piracy minister, says Somalis know that the penalties would be severe if caught. “They will be more lethal this time,” he says. “They know there is no mercy for them. Before they were after money, now it’s a matter of survival. It’s do or die.”
Basically, NATO got rid of the pirates but the reason the pirates were pirating in the first place was because of foreign fishers. Now that the pirates are gone, the foreign fishers are back and are devastating local economies. At this rate, it is only a matter of time before the pirates come out of retirement.

NATO should either police the coastline against foreign fishers or let the pirates do it. Only going after the pirates will just breed more resentment against the west.
 

dpunk3

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Those pirates posed a direct threat to us, as they were hijacking ours, and our allies', ships in the area. Which is the only reason we hunted them down. Now they are gone, and we don't care about the illegal fisherman that started it because they aren't threatening us, just the locals. Unbelievable.

We never seem to meddle when people ask for it.
 

Jacob

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Bring back privateers!

The government should hire those pirates and pay them money to attack the illegal fishers.

This makes a certain amount of sense since Somalia doesn't seem to have a functioning coast guard, but unfortunately I suspect this would result in the government (which is still struggling to assert control over its claimed land territory) becoming an international pariah, which I think would weaken their situation vis-a-vis groups like Al-Shabaab.
 

Ogodei

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This makes a certain amount of sense since Somalia doesn't seem to have a functioning coast guard, but unfortunately I suspect this would result in the government (which is still struggling to assert control over its claimed land territory) becoming an international pariah, which I think would weaken their situation vis-a-vis groups like Al-Shabaab.

"Buy off the bad guys" is actually a pretty accepted strategy. How viable or sustainable it is, well, that's up for debate, but it's pretty much a US approved strategy in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 

Walpurgis

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Illegal fishing wasn't all foreign companies did. At the start of the civil war in the 1990s, the Italian mafia dumped 10 million tons of toxic waste just off the coast of Somalia since the prices of the warlords was so cheap. The 2004 tsunami shook things up and spilled the nuclear/toxic waste onto the coast. A lot of people living on the coast suffered from radiation poisoning, respiratory infections, skin infections, mouth ulcers, abdominal hemorrhages and bleeding.

The pirates should just do whatever. No one will help them so they must help themselves.
 
This makes a certain amount of sense since Somalia doesn't seem to have a functioning coast guard, but unfortunately I suspect this would result in the government (which is still struggling to assert control over its claimed land territory) becoming an international pariah, which I think would weaken their situation vis-a-vis groups like Al-Shabaab.

"Buy off the bad guys" is actually a pretty accepted strategy. How viable or sustainable it is, well, that's up for debate, but it's pretty much a US approved strategy in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I know it's not common anymore, but the US Constitution still allows for letters of marque and reprisal, for situations where declaring war is unwarranted but our interests are threatened. And as the next poster said, it's already done unofficially today. Heck, some suggested this route as opposed to the War on Terror since it might be more effective against a stateless enemy.

In any case, US and other western nations involved in the Middle East wouldn't be able to criticize Somalia for privateering with a straight face. Especially if it helps trade through the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden. Money talks and all that.
 

G.ZZZ

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who accuses the west of having “a mandate to catch the little thief, but not the big one”.

So much this, but sadly westerners (especially americans for obvious reasons) have this mentality that anythign going against the interests of big thiefs (aka billionaire corps) would ruin society irreversibily and call everyone that propose actions against those people as left-wing nutters and idealists who want to ruin progress.
 
Illegal fishing wasn't all foreign companies did. At the start of the civil war in the 1990s, the Italian mafia dumped 10 million tons of toxic waste just off the coast of Somalia since the prices of the warlords was so cheap. The 2004 tsunami shook things up and spilled the nuclear/toxic waste onto the coast. A lot of people living on the coast suffered from radiation poisoning, respiratory infections, skin infections, mouth ulcers, abdominal hemorrhages and bleeding.

Why would the mafia pay a shit ton of money to transport millions of tonnes through the Suez Canal to dump it off Somalia when they could simply dump it in the Mediterranean sea for free ? The whole story has never been verified and when the UN tried to find the chemical waste they found no trace of it.
 
The sad fact is no one in the west cares, It's up to the Somalian people to build up their country themselves and develop enough resources for a coast guard.

But that's hard to do when your country has been in a civil war for what, how many decades now?
 

Jacob

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"Buy off the bad guys" is actually a pretty accepted strategy. How viable or sustainable it is, well, that's up for debate, but it's pretty much a US approved strategy in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Fair point, but I think the international reaction would be different if it came to buying bad guys off with the purpose of then using them to fight against foreign nationals, even if they stuck within Somalia's territorial waters (which would be hard to guarantee). Not necessarily saying that foreign condemnation would be just (or morally consistent with other actions), though.
 

ajpw

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Why would the mafia pay a shit ton of money to transport millions of tonnes through the Suez Canal to dump it off Somalia when they could simply dump it in the Mediterranean sea for free ? The whole story has never been verified and when the UN tried to find the chemical waste they found no trace of it.

italy is in the mediterranean
 

Walpurgis

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So much this, but sadly westerners (especially americans for obvious reasons) have this mentality that anythign going against the interests of big thiefs (aka billionaire corps) would ruin society irreversibily and call everyone that propose actions against those people as left-wing nutters and idealists who want to ruin progress.

We are actively ruining the future of this planet and endangering the life of billions of people and they don't give a shit. Global warming, inequality, illegal labor and whatsnot. But capitalism is so great, so great that we may witness the end of humanity in our lifetime because we are so slave of this idea of progress with has nothing to do with actual progress and a lot to do with corporation propaganda.

Climate change is already rapidly drying out the horn of Africa and . It's not fair because the only CO2 many of these people have produced is from their mouths. The region is already rife with political unstability - a paranoid and isolated dictatorship in Eritrea, an inept government in Ethiopia and 36 years of anarchy in Somalia. As the lands dry out, this instability will become exasperated and may even bring rise to more anti-western movements.
Why would the mafia pay a shit ton of money to transport millions of tonnes through the Suez Canal to dump it off Somalia when they could simply dump it in the Mediterranean sea for free ? The whole story has never been verified and when the UN tried to find the chemical waste they found no trace of it.
I'm not sure why they didn't just drop it in the middle of the ocean. They even dropped nuclear waste off their own Italian coast causing cancer rates to be 50% higher than the average in parts of southern Italy according to this article. It is entirely possible that the snitch is a liar that just wanted to get back into witness protection, as his detractors have claimed. However, because of the powers involved in his claim (Italy, Switzerland, France, Germany, and the US) and the fact that nuclear waste is in the grounds of southern Italy and off the coast of Somalia, I am inclined to believe that there is some truth to what he is saying.

Here is an expert from a 2010 report by Greenpeace that kind of talks about how this worked.
Greenpeace said:
Waste containers were shipped away following a path of least resistance and weakest governance, ending up in remote areas of countries such as Equatorial Guinea, Lebanon, Somalia and the Congo. Toxic waste was dumped on Nigerian and Haitian beaches.

I think that this is a good article to read since it covers the entire timeline in chronological order. Here are some excerpts.
An investigation into the murder of the Italian journalist Ilaria Alpi in Somalia in 1994 quotes the warlord Boqor Musa as saying, ‘It is evident those ships carried military equipment for different factions involved in the civil war’, and it is widely believed that Alpi was assassinated because she had incontrovertible evidence of the guns-for-waste trade.
[...] It also prompted a large investigation in Italy, a former colonial power in Somalia. This concluded that around 35 million tonnes of waste had been exported to Somalia for only $6.6 billion, leading the environmental group Legambiente to assert Somalia’s inland waste dumps are ‘among the largest in the world’.

[...] In 2005, the UN Development Programme (UNDP) concluded its own on-the-ground investigation in Somalia. Despite being stymied by local political interests and finding no tangible proof, it concluded that the ‘dumping of toxic and harmful waste is rampant in the sea, on the shores and in the hinterland’.

A year later the Somali multi-clan NGO Daryeel Bulsho Guud conducted its own survey. With greater local co-operation, it was able to identify 15 containers of ‘confirmed nuclear and chemical wastes’ in eight coastal areas.

[...] These include severe birth defects, such as the absence of limbs, and widespread cancers. One local doctor said he had treated more cases of cancer in one year than he had in his entire professional career before the tsunami.
So basically, we know it's there. It's just hard to find since Somalia has the longest coastline on the continent and is also very poor. The article later goes on to say that the dumping of toxic waste is ongoing. There are ongoing investigations but NGOs and the UN are too scared to mention the names of the companies and countries involved because they don't want to end up like this:
Wikipedia said:
laria Alpi was an Italian journalist killed in Mogadishu, Somalia together with her camera operator Miran Hrovatin. In 2009 Francesco Fonti, a former 'Ndrangheta member, claimed that Ilaria Alpi and her cameraman were murdered because they had seen toxic waste shipped by the 'Ndrangheta arrive in Bosaso, Somalia.

At the time of her murder, she was following a case of weapon and illegal toxic waste traffic in which she believed also the Italian Army and other institutions were involved. Alpi was born in Rome and worked for Italian public television broadcaster RAI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilaria_Alpi

The sad fact is no one in the west cares, It's up to the Somalian people to build up their country themselves and develop enough resources for a coast guard.

But that's hard to do when your country has been in a civil war for what, how many decades now?
This is more or less the way things are for much of Africa. The country has made quite a bit of progress and the African Union has been indispensable in the fight against Al-Shabaab. However, clan divides are currently causing tensions with the president and are a major bump towards a western style parliamentary. Expect to see news on that as the elections approach in the fall.

The war has been going for nearly 40 years now but it isn't a countrywide thing, thankfully. Most of the country's population resides in the secure regions. It's still poor as hell though.
 

Dingens

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NATO should either police the coastline against foreign fishers or let the pirates do it. Only going after the pirates will just breed more resentment against the west.

honestly... by this point "the west" deserves all the resentment it receives.
The way we treat other nations is just despicable, only because this is seems to be the only way to keep our wasteful way of live going...
 
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