cormack12
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Source: https://www.videogameschronicle.com...-monthly-players-than-ps4-for-the-first-time/
Sony confirms monthly PS5 players eclipses PS4 players for the first time
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PeteBull
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Crossgen period was brutal af this time.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
i think people will jump every 2 gen instead of 1 now.
not surprise if the remaining ps4 users skips ps5 and jumps to ps6.
Sony MAU strategy makes sense now.
Cross platform between ps5 and ps6 will last even longer.
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DeltaPolarBear
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People buy when there is a game they want. For example, fighting game customers had no reason to buy PS5 until Tokon got announced. The slower games come out, the slower the conversion rate.
Which is why it is not possible for next gen to come out anytime soon. The generations HAVE to last longer due to many factors and in any case devs haven't squeezed everything out of current hardware yet.
Which is why it is not possible for next gen to come out anytime soon. The generations HAVE to last longer due to many factors and in any case devs haven't squeezed everything out of current hardware yet.
Liopleurodon
Member
Not saying this just because I am a big Metal Gear fan, but I think the one thing that really affected PS5 was the fact that it didn't have an exclusive system seller MG game - like MGS6.
SamuraiEdge
Member
This gen shift doesn't really kick off until GTA6 comes out next year.
Second half of 2026 is when things will truly tilt forward for the better.
Second half of 2026 is when things will truly tilt forward for the better.
This honestly makes me really curious what their plans are for PS6 in regards to this. They can't go the PS5 Pro route. A $700 box isn't going to incentivize people to jump right away.
I've owned every Sony console they ever made (even Vita TV, but not PS5 Pro) but I'm at the point where PS6 needs to really be something more than more power at a higher price for me to bat and eye and be there early on.
DavidGzz
Member
Yeah, plus Fortnite/GTA 5 kids have no issue continuing to play on their PS4.
kaizenkko
Member
Most played games are live service games who are playable on last gen devices. Add to that the fact the PS5 don't have a permanent price drop until now, but a permanent price hike in some regions.
All that said, they are still growing their MAU and the convertion rate for PS5 is getting higher.
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lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
The only think i can think of are very good launch ps6 games, better than ps5 ones.
Perhaps the promised of standard 60fps games moving forward?
Or just remain the price at 499-599 max.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
It is that, but it's also that the AAA producers this gen have been too slow and underwhelming with actually new games to justify the move.
crackajack
Member
A bit surprising, but I am currently also playing PS4 games on my PS5 myself. lol
There might not be huge money in it, but Sony should have had a Steamdeck equivalent PS4P for some time now. If not planned from the start, during Covid and expanding cross gen ideas, they should have thought about it. Could have also powered a PSVR untethered. Which would also have needed them to port every VR1 game to VR2 controls but that's pratically dead anyway. And with the PS6 transition I expect a lot of people even less eager to upgrade if whatever it improves is again just a bit more convenient and finer, so basically still a PS4, but Pro Ultra Premium Plus.
There might not be huge money in it, but Sony should have had a Steamdeck equivalent PS4P for some time now. If not planned from the start, during Covid and expanding cross gen ideas, they should have thought about it. Could have also powered a PSVR untethered. Which would also have needed them to port every VR1 game to VR2 controls but that's pratically dead anyway. And with the PS6 transition I expect a lot of people even less eager to upgrade if whatever it improves is again just a bit more convenient and finer, so basically still a PS4, but Pro Ultra Premium Plus.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Wait for the next gen then, games will release on PS5 + PS6 + PS7
Fake
Member
Not kids. Consumers in general.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
I mentioned this before. But by certain metrics, PS2 is actually 200 times more powerful than PS1. Moores Law had been justifying hardware upgrades for decades, but now this is going away. There is no longer easy, cheap and powerful upgrades that directly make the previous gen obsolete.
This also happens with handhelds, which is why the Switch 2 is so expensive. This is just the reality of tech right now. We had spend decades assuming everything would keep getting better, and now we hit a wall of physics.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
PS5 is selling at the same pace as the PS4 and will easily overtake it with GTA6.
More people are still using PS4 than past generations because of live service games and annual release titles such as sports games and CoD...
Black Ops 3 was the last CoD released on PS3 in 2015... 3 years after the PS4 launched. 5 years into the PS5 and CoD is still releasing on PS4.
I think the trolls forgot that we have actual sales numbers
Thought this was a good time to act like PS4's continued support is a bad thing
Also again proof of NeoGaf's detachment from reality because just a few weeks ago they told me it wasn't many Last Gen only gamers here
Baemono
Member
Sony sold 50 million PS2 between 2006 and 2013 while selling slightly more PS3
LordOcidax
Member
Blame EA and Activision (Microsoft) they keep launching Fifa and CoD on the old consoles…
Shubh_C63
Member
I am in that group. Had a PS4 and no intention of buying a PS5 now. Only game I 'must have' is Death Stranding 2 which will come to PC eventually.
I rather buy a new graphic card than PS5 or buy PS6 Year2.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
I hate selling and buying consoles so I'll likely be playing on my PS5 far into the PS6 gen and then maybe during PS7 get a new console. #team_vintage
Some seem to forget how heckin' troublesome it was getting a PS5 during the covid years. I paid far more for mine than what I would have cared for during normal times and I bought it from a store, not a scalper. There were also not many PS5 exclusives during that time so I remember my colleague having had no real reason to upgrade from his PS4. Weird times and we still feel the repercussions from the pandemic.
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So unless everyone trashes their switch 1 in less than a year, switch 2 will be considered a failure? Lol.
nial
Member
Amazing that this logic is somehow still lost.
If you sold 120M in 7 years and are projected to sell another 120M in 7 years, what do you think would be the number of users 3.5 years in? It's a slow conversion rate precisely because PS4 sold THAT much, you just can't reasonably make those 120M users transition to the next console in a lot less time than it took the past generation to sell as much.
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PeteBull
Member
We fully understand that ppl who bought ps4 late in the gen will not go for ps5 as soon as it launches, we meant the dev output in terms of current gen games only, that was terrible this gen coz crossgenperiod was too long.
nial
Member
Sure, but cross-gen hardly had any impact by the looks of it.
Ultralow35
Neo Member
What's the benefit of going from Xbox to ps5 right Now ?????Sony is not releasing any thing of substance and Microsoft has Gamepass ….Why would a gamer Not some fanboy crap go from Xbox to ps5 ??
mayham2199
Member
Maybe because they want to continue buying games (not everything is on gamepass) and they are worried of losing their digital games with how uncertain Xbox's future is. Maybe they always wanted to play PS games but wanted MS games more but now they can just go to PS and get both? Maybe their friend left the ecosystem and they are following?
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Radical_3d
Member
After 77 million units sold? Just how many PS4 are out there active?
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jm89
Member
It's hard to say.
Sony are being weird how the report the ps4 in that specific slide.
Just have a look at the below, they are basically including anything that isn't a ps5 in the ps4 part. Atleast that's how i'm reading it. Some bizzarre way to report the ps4 bit.
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PSP to Vita?
The updated slide removed the numbers but if you eyeball the ratio - about 40M. +/- 5M.
Ultralow35
Neo Member
How are there future uncertain because they doing it differently then Sony with that Nintendo future would be uncertain…..But you said refugees I only ask the benefits at this point ?? Btw Microsoft has the best digital library outside of PC …
I believe the active users was around 124 million last time so if it was split even back then that was about 62 million PS4's still active online 12 years after release.
Part of the problem with not advancing with the gen here, the most cross platform games exist, the less incentive to move to the next (current) system is there to players
Lord Malachite
Member
PS4 didn't have this either. MGSV was available on PS3, 360, XB1, and PC in addition to PS4, all on Day One.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Don't be so sure
Covid caused huge delays with game development, we got games on PS5 that should have been PS4 only a year or two before release.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So is that a good or bad thing? All things considered..........I'd say Sony is on the right track.
