You can also infer by the amount of sub $300 bundling the Xbox One S has been having at stores/sites in less than a month after release.
Sony likely saved about $15 by not including a UHD drive in PS4 Pro.
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You can also infer by the amount of sub $300 bundling the Xbox One S has been having at stores/sites in less than a month after release.
As it stands now, some are defending this because Sony is pushing it as a "gaming" system above all else, and yet if it included a UHD player and a suite of other entertainment features it would be praised for pushing 4k content adoption and that its great how many options Sony is giving us.
Seriously, this is a terrible idea and I hope the sales reflect it.
Seriously, this is a terrible idea and I hope the sales reflect it.
You bring up an interesting point. PS4 + PC has been the logical combo this generation for many reasons namely the exclusives not coming to PC and it just being a better box. But some people who perhaps mostly just play want to play console exclusive stuff or want a console even if it shares many games with PC for their living room, the choice might not be so clear. I still think the PS4 takes the lion's share of those people, but it isn't as cut and dry as it would be if they both offered the same media acumen as has been the case so far.
I get that they needed to keep the price down, but yeah I filled my 2TB drive almost a year ago. And since I hop from game to game I'm not hugely in love with re-downloading everything. I'm about 75% digital, but even the physical discs don't let you delete the game and keep the patches. So no matter what I do it's downloading. USB storage can't come soon enough.
jediyoshi
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Do you see the difference between that and the title leading people to believe that somehow economically $15 translates directly through between the cost of the hardware all the way to the consumer? As if the product literally could have just cost $15 more and they'd then be getting a UHD drive? You're giving internet attention spans and armchair economists a little too much credit.
jordan0386
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They would've charged $449.
Def not worth it.
Def not worth it.
Mr. Pointy
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$15 is a lot of money. If you buy a PS4 Pro, Sony will have saved you $15. If you 4 PS4 Pros, you'll have saved $60. That's like a free copy of Horizon. Or 60 steaks from Dollar Tree.
Marty Chinn
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Came to post this. I would rather they shipped with a 500GB drive and used the cost difference for UHD Blu ray.
killatopak
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I kinda wish they dumped the 1TB HDD, replaced that with a 500GB then just pushed the UHD drive. I think they could satisfy a lot of people while making the cost relatively low.
People woulda scoffed, but then quickly gotten over it since you can cheaply replace the HDD. That woulda been a good move if made the financials work. Of course as reviewers might have skewered the PRo as their HDDs filled up after testing just a handful of up-res'd games.
Jack The Nipper
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I think Sony got stuck on two mind sets.
One 399
Two not losing money on hardware
Both of these have created an issue in scraping the bottom of the barrel for what pro can do.
Scorpio won't have this issue. Hell, just. All it a 10tf beast and make it 499 and let's see if people take to games that really blow your mind over what neo is doing.
I think it would do just fine honestly. It was always more to do with weaker hardware and no one caring about Kinect than just the 499 price.
Especially for the us market.
One 399
Two not losing money on hardware
Both of these have created an issue in scraping the bottom of the barrel for what pro can do.
Scorpio won't have this issue. Hell, just. All it a 10tf beast and make it 499 and let's see if people take to games that really blow your mind over what neo is doing.
I think it would do just fine honestly. It was always more to do with weaker hardware and no one caring about Kinect than just the 499 price.
Especially for the us market.
Considering the hardware is unlikely to draw more power than OG PS4 how much extra did the 310 watt power supply cost vs the 250 watt one they used originally?
While it does not affect me or my purchasing decision not including a UHD BR player is a pretty big misstep imo. Just from the current value add perspective it makes no sense as the cheapest UHD players are still quite expensive.
While it does not affect me or my purchasing decision not including a UHD BR player is a pretty big misstep imo. Just from the current value add perspective it makes no sense as the cheapest UHD players are still quite expensive.
To be fair the old Bone wasn't lighting the charts on fire either. New formats with a handful of titles aren't going to be appealing until the library matures. Getting players into people's hands as cheaply as possibly without losing money is the best way to grow support. And it's even better if you have a major studio that can push content long enough to get people on board.
Microsoft in many ways might be too early in the game since a weak console combined with better multimedia is kinda of a schizophrenic combo. But likewise a much stronger pro console with really poor media capability is also a weird pairing.
Interesting point though I'm sure many will disagree. I wonder, since many (most?) "pro"-level console buyers will be upgrading the HDD anyway. Would love to know the ratio of people who do.
Jack The Nipper
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Sales will do very well at launch.
I expect it to be over taken by new Xbox until Sony does something to replace pro in the Us market for sure.
A slim Ps4 at 199 would be the real sales champ though, if they get it there...
The casual market would eat that up big time
I don't expect that though..
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Deleted member 17706
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Were many people buying Blu-rays before the PS3 came out? I know I certainly wasn't.
Same with DVDs and the PS2.
I understand the decision if the drive was really the factor that would have pushed them past that sweet $399 price point. In the end, I imagine I won't mind all that much. I rarely buy movies anymore, but I would certainly be more interested in picking up a 4K TV if I already had a player that could output 4K content with a good bitrate.
GrizzleBoy
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Sony sells UHD players.
They cannibalise a load of their products if they sold a 399 UHD player that doubled as a PS4P.
They cannibalise a load of their products if they sold a 399 UHD player that doubled as a PS4P.
Who wins Superbowl 2017?
aggienader
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That's some shallow reasoning/logic right there.
Have you thought about how big the file size is for the complete experience of a movie w/ native 4K resolution and Dolby Atmos 7.2 (or whatever the standard audio is these days) on a UHD Blu-ray Disc is?
Some people (namely me) want to have a the complete experience when they watch their movies and have a data cap that hinders them from streaming 4K content.
The more I think about it the more I come to think this is really aimed in a huge way at PSVR owners. It's no secret that the existing console is pretty limited in what it will be able to push on VR and I'm not sure Sony wants people to experience the format if possible in that way.
But they can't just limit VR to the Pro without backlash. By keeping the price down and cutting corners like the drive they might be hoping to shift more PSVR people to the Pro based on what will likely be a dramatic difference in experience. If that's the case they are smart to keep the price down and the GPU up so people don't get sticker shock bundling the two.
Or it's the way it seems- just kinda a half-baked stopgap to something new. Kinda like the Xbox S.
They don't sell players yet. Though 1 is coming in early 2017 I think. And I'm not sure how worried they would be cannibalizing a small number of sales in a fledgling market to get a ton more compatible players out.
aggienader
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Plenty of Sony bluray players exist in the market in tandem with the PS3. You don't know what you're talking about. However, I'll give you props for using the term "cannibalise" in this context.
I don't think we know that.
Alpha Phoenix
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I lol'd
Marty Chinn
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They also sold a $1000 Blu ray player in 2006 which didn't stop the PS3 undercutting it by $400.
Bubbavelli
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Its not that serious
Milly Osworth
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Such a badass, that will end up buying it anyway.
Risk Breaker
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The fact that a new gaming console sku is not focused on media but on games? Really?
IAmAnAgnostic
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The PS4 Pro ended up incredibly underwhelming and this just adds to the pile. Especially considering even the Xbox One S has this feature.
They're going to somehow do a firmware upgrade on that blu-ray drive to make it UHD compatible. lol
Do you people live in a bubble or what? The connection speed in most of Europe is still pure shit, I can barely stream at 1080p not because I don't have the money I assure you
Lol ok it would have cost 15.01 for the extra cost of R&D with a different drive. It would be entirely marginal.
Most of the people talking about streaming 4K have never even done it. They don't realize it isn't some easy convenient thing.
It's a common sense feature.
It can have attention on both? Like the PS2, PS3 and PS4 before it? Hell, Sony pulled the ultimate coup and got me to ditch my cable company and sign up for Vue, no easy feat. All this happened because of their 'gaming' console. Clearly Sony understands how their game console is quite a bit more useful than just playing games, it's a Trojan horse to get several forms of media in your living room.
PeregrinSe7en
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Don't worry, gangbuster sales during the holiday will reflect that the outrage over no uhd for ps4 pro, to borrow a phrase from ben kuchera, be nothing but " a fart in the wind".
Pathfinder
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Don't worry, gangbuster sales during the holiday will reflect that the outrage over no uhd for ps4 pro, to borrow a phrase from ben kuchera, be nothing but " a fart in the wind".
And, bookmarked.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Most of you guys should give this a read.
http://hometheaterreview.com/why-blu-ray-is-still-better-than-streaming-today/
ps4 pro NOT having a uhd player is a big BIG mistake
http://hometheaterreview.com/why-blu-ray-is-still-better-than-streaming-today/
ps4 pro NOT having a uhd player is a big BIG mistake
NeonDelta
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The Ps4 Pro Slim S
Black Mantis
Member
Love it!
It is an odd decision and I dislike the lack of it, but I honestly doubt UHDBR's are anywhere near a standard by the time this generation ends (2-3 years?). The PS4pro is an enhanched PS4 with a pricetag aiming at the mass market, I think 4k blu rays are and will be for a (comparatively) small, premium crowd for a while.
Blu rays took a while to take off and we still have people sticking to dvd and even certain products being released dvd only. Let alone the streaming/download services becoming more and more mainstream (I don't know how much the quality difference will bother most people).
All in all I agree that it is an unfortunate omission, but I don't think it will be a big deal for most consumers at this point in time.
Blu rays took a while to take off and we still have people sticking to dvd and even certain products being released dvd only. Let alone the streaming/download services becoming more and more mainstream (I don't know how much the quality difference will bother most people).
All in all I agree that it is an unfortunate omission, but I don't think it will be a big deal for most consumers at this point in time.
orthodoxy1095
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alexbull_uk
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I'm surprised so many people are actually bothered by this.
Makes absolutely no difference to me, but I can comfortably stream 4K anyway.
Makes absolutely no difference to me, but I can comfortably stream 4K anyway.
Agent_Carnage
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If you lived where I used to live you would not be saying that. Try surfing the web on a crappy Satellite Internet.
Three years from now, will the majority of PS4 console owners have a 4K television?
What if the PS5 has it built in? Would this matter as much?
Souldestroyer Reborn
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Well by saving $15 they lost about $5000 from me.
Was planning on making the upgrade and getting a 4K TV (Which would have probably been a Sony to replace my current Sony TV, or maybe an LG OLED)but I just don't see the point now.
Was planning on making the upgrade and getting a 4K TV (Which would have probably been a Sony to replace my current Sony TV, or maybe an LG OLED)but I just don't see the point now.
geordiemp
Member
Hell, I would of preferred a driveless HD.
Would fit in my 2 TB or even bigger if there is more space as my 2 TB is full a long time ago.