Proelite
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If you liked your PS4, you'll love the PS5.
This is the closest generation ever in terms of overall performance envelope. I've said that since last year.
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(*) Sony PS5 Vs. Xbox Series X Technical Analysis: Why The PS5’s 10.3 TFLOPs Figure Is Misleading
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If you liked your PS4, you'll love the PS5.
This is the closest generation ever in terms of overall performance envelope. I've said that since last year.
Fulcizombie
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I know, I never said that he isn’t a great engineer but he is speaking as a Sony person , why is this so difficult to understand ? He knows about a trillion times more stuff about computers than I do (and I have a college diploma) but still listening to him was painful. The guy said the opposite things of what he was saying during the ps4 presentation, That I can accept, I get it, he has to present and hype a new product that is inferior to the competition. Him saying that he hates a big number of CU, I am sorry but is inexcusable, he should have sugarcoated things with a different phrase.
Maybe if you're considering the jump being from PS4Pro to PS5 and not PS4 to PS5. PS4 to PS5 - even with the 9/10 TFLOPS, is still a huge leap.
Gamecube to Wii was probably the closest in performance jump ever.
Proelite
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I was talking about the closest in terms of Xbox vs PS.
The jump is massive from previous gen is massive. Biggest for Xbox and probably PS too.
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FranXico
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That was particularly embarrassing. He could have mentioned ensuring BC while maintaining costs (kind of like he said for the SSD size), and it would have not been an insult to people's intelligence.
wordslaughter
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Anyone expecting a locked 2.23Ghz on the PS5 is gonna be disappointed.
The XSX GPU clock @1.8Ghz can actually be SUSTAINED.
The PS5 GPU clock @2.23Ghz definitely can NOT. At best it will pulse up to that frequency for a brief instant before throttling back down to something more sustainable. And it doesn't matter if it's temperature throttling or power throttling. They are two sides of the same coin.
That 2.23Ghz number is PURE PR speak to make it seem like the two are closer in power than they really are.
The XSX GPU clock @1.8Ghz can actually be SUSTAINED.
The PS5 GPU clock @2.23Ghz definitely can NOT. At best it will pulse up to that frequency for a brief instant before throttling back down to something more sustainable. And it doesn't matter if it's temperature throttling or power throttling. They are two sides of the same coin.
That 2.23Ghz number is PURE PR speak to make it seem like the two are closer in power than they really are.
frogger
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Gamecube to Wii is almost like a lateral pass.
Ah. Then I'm sorry, I still disagree. Xbox 360 vs PS3 were nearly a dead heat. SNES vs Genesis basically were as well. PS3 was theoretically a bit stronger and SNES or Genesis were theoretically a bit stronger depending on which developer you asked.
PS5 and Series X are closer than PS4 and Xbone were, or PS2 and Xbox OG, I'll give you that.
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frogger
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Yep. But some people will continue to deny it. Anyway, buy the console and be happy.
MisterXDTV
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Wrong in so many ways....
The machine is supposed to run with no problems at the highest clocks most of the time....
That's why they chose a power draw target, instead of the classic approach where you boost the clocks and cause overheating
Proelite
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Not really.
PS3 had a very bad first few years in terms of 3d party titles. That hasn't happened since. Even Xb1 didn't have the 3rd party issues that PS3 had.
True, but the CPU is running at sub 2.0ghz if the GPU is at max.
That's SmartShift.
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I thought we were talking sheer raw power, not third party support.
Also, PS3 never had problems with third party support. Wii U or Vita OTOH ...
martino
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when you'll invest yourself into your pc you will be discover things like that :
i have a 1080ti evga icx2
the card is advertised running between 1556 and 1670 ghz (11.153 tflops to 11.97 tlfops)
in game it runs between 1950 and 2020 ghz (13.97 to 14.4 tflops)
(those are pascal tflops missing lot of features though :'( )
oc is a lot more higher than advertised isn't it ?
do you the difference with ps5 PR ? i hope you can
also advertising inform you of the worst case scenario...
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MisterXDTV
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SmartShift is used when you reach that power draw, not ALWAYS....
I thought the Wii was 50% more powerful in flops and had more, faster RAM. I can't see the Gamecube running something like Xenoblade.
Proelite
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PS5's power draw will be constant for all machines. It's the division of the power between CPU and GPU that changes.
If you seen any chart for power and clock, you can see that it's an exponential graph, not linear.
Here is one for Smartshift. The faster you want to push the GPU, the more power you need to take way from the CPU.
I don't know why you want to support my side of the argument. But thanks.
Just one thing: how do you know that it runs 1950 sustained?
And if it not runs sustained. How long these peaks of a high freq last?
Pardon me. But doesn't it mean that if you drop the perf slightly the power drops dramatically?
it_wasn't_me
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WTF?? He isn't a tech person? He is a lead system architect of PS5!
People, do you see what Xbox fan is saying here? The lead system architect of PS5 isn't a tech person.
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Fulcizombie
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Do you have reading comprehension problems ? He isn’t an IMPARTIAL tech person, it is right there in the post you quote.
Fulcizombie
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Yep when the cpu is running at a much slower speed than the 3.5 GHz advertised (and even then it remains to be seen if the ps5 GPU will be able to sustain that insane clock speed).
it_wasn't_me
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What is it then if he isn't impartial tech person?
Proelite
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Only near max clocks. Shifting near the sweet spots would be nearly 1:1.
Fulcizombie
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A tech person working for Sony that designed the machine he was presenting ?
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According to Cerny talk dropping perf 2% will bring power down 10%.
Looks like it's above sweet spot.
it_wasn't_me
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He doesn't work for Sony.
Proelite
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You're most definitely correct.
Conversely that means adding 10% more power only adds 2% perf.
Jonsoncao
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Can you show me a proof? For example, evidence from a GPU profiling tool.
Fulcizombie
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O.k , Sony doesn’t pay him, he is doing all the work for free all these years. Oh Christ, really ? I get it, he is an independent contractor that has been on Sony’s payroll for almost a decade and designs sony’s products and he just presented a product he designed, he is the definition of impartial.
it_wasn't_me
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10.28
So, it's 12 TF then, not 12.15
it_wasn't_me
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Just saying he is not a Sony employee.
Fulcizombie
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Nope it is exactly 12. 155 TF just like the ps5 gpu, when the gpu is working at full clock speeds, is 10.28 TF.
SleepDoctor
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Literally had me lol
Fanboy logic "he's not an impartial tech person". Holy shit some of you need some reading comprehension
Fulcizombie
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How is saying that the designer of the ps5 isn’t impartial, fanboy logic ?Literally had me lol
Fanboy logic "he's not an impartial tech person". Holy shit some of you need some reading comprehension
it_wasn't_me
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Literally had me lol
Fanboy logic "he's not an impartial tech person". Holy shit some of you need some reading comprehension
Misssed the "im" letters, my bad, i've read as "partially"
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V4skunk
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But why would a system up clock to run something less intense?
As a pc gamer this makes no sense.
Also as a pcgamer the way I understood the presentation is that the gpu up clocking would down clock the cpu and vice versa!
it_wasn't_me
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Naaah, it's 12 TF because Space_nut downplayed PS5s 10.3
Genx3
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So that means that it will make very little sense to run those high clocks on the GPU because it will disproportionately drop the Frequency of the CPU in order to sustain it.
Basically the 10.23 TF's on the Spec sheet will probably rarely be used.
MisterXDTV
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ABrokenToy
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Ha!
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Proelite
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That's not true. CPU load can vary greatly in games.
The problem that I am hearing is that it takes developer input to balance CPU / GPU power usage.
rnlval
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From https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/34.html
RX 5700 XT has 1887 Mhz average, hence 9.66 TFLOPS average.
Fulcizombie
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Nope the exact figures are the ones I mentioned. The ps5 isn’t actually 10.3 just like the XSX isn’t actually 12.
Proelite
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At or close to.
If people thinks 10.3TF is close to 12 (which they are), they better think 9TF is close to 10.3TF (which it is).
Xsx is 12.155TF suistainable.
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Fulcizombie
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Seriously can you imagine the internet if MS had such a presentation and gave peak variable clock speeds ?Ha!
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ethomaz
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I already posted the DF guy explaining how it works.
I found it is weird at first people talking about the clock dropping when Cerny clearly said the clock can be choose by the devs and not automatically change due thermals.
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TLZ
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Again with this 9.2 bullshit. Just for the love of God stop it. Absolutely no official mentioned it. Cerny confirmed to DF 10.3 is what it'll be at most. He never mentioned how far it'd drop. NX Gamer explained what it actually meant, that it really is 10.3 and would only drop around 50mhz at most to keep that power output in check. So that's around 10TF.
There's absolutely no evidence of this 9.2 bullshit. Again, please, just drop it. Let's talk about what we actually officially have in our hands, 10.3 and 12.1, and the various other specs.
Stop trying too hard.
There's absolutely no evidence of this 9.2 bullshit. Again, please, just drop it. Let's talk about what we actually officially have in our hands, 10.3 and 12.1, and the various other specs.
Stop trying too hard.
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