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[Scalemail Ted]

I thought this generation proved that its not the amount of consoles sold that determines whether a system is a success or not, but rather, the attach rate of the software.

Less software sold = less future support.

littles support/no support = not a success as far as a gaming platform (no matter how many units are sold, if it doesnt have games to play whats the point)


As long as they both have a variety of new games coming to them....then who cares?

 

[kaching]

Tell that to all of the people here who were predicting Sony to come right in and trounce Nintendo.

I was reading these boards before both launched and the DS was getting picked on non stop and almost everyone was saying it was doomed when the PSP launches.

And there was plenty of guff and predictions that went the other way as well. What bothers me though is that we have to see these threads continue to be saddled with the emotional baggage of people still seeking some petty vengeance for these perceived slights through vague references to the offenders who are rarely, if ever, actually called out by name. So each and every thread has to suffer vague references to these offenders, regardless of whether any of these people are actually participating in the thread, as thinly veiled justification for regurgitated criticism of product X or company Y, into perpetuity.

 

[Tenacious-V]

I thought this generation proved that its not the amount of consoles sold that determines whether a system is a success or not, but rather, the attach rate of the software.

Less software sold = less future support.

littles support/no support = not a success as far as a gaming platform (no matter how many units are sold, if it doesnt have games to play whats the point)


As long as they both have a variety of new games coming to them....then who cares?

Thing is PSP software isn't exactly flying off shelves either. It's becoming more and more likely PSP will be a portable movie player with extras rather than a game player.... Sony just overestimated the demand of their system, thinking it would be a mirror of PS2. It just wasn't the case.

 

[Scalemail Ted]

Thing is PSP software isn't exactly flying off shelves either. It's becoming more and more likely PSP will be a portable movie player with extras rather than a game player.... Sony just overestimated the demand of their system, thinking it would be a mirror of PS2. It just wasn't the case.

either way, wouldnt you say that is what properly determines the success of a games system?

 

[captmcblack]

The regional difference is mostly on the DS side -- it's doing very well in Japan, and pretty poorly in the US.

It's doing poorly in the US? We have numbers for that?

 

[Odnetnin]

And there was plenty of guff and predictions that went the other way as well. .

You lost me there, mr sony apologist.


For the longest time, if you liked DS, you were treated like a pariah by this forum.

It's becoming more and more likely PSP will be a portable movie player with extras

and a rather sucky one at that. I swear... that memstick barrier makes it suck as any sort of PMP. All the people praising it... I'll have whatever you're smooookkinggggg

 

[Mr Nash]

Everyone needs to spend less time mud-slinging as to which sucks more between the DS and PSP, and more time figuring out where Tenacious V's avatar comes from and the story behind it.

I need answers, people!

 

[Deku]

What bothers me though is that we have to see these threads continue to be saddled with the emotional baggage of people still seeking some petty vengeance for these perceived slights through vague references to the offenders who are rarely, if ever, actually called out by name. So each and every thread has to suffer vague references to these offenders, regardless of whether any of these people are actually participating in the thread, as thinly veiled justification for regurgitated criticism of product X or company Y, into perpetuity.

That's noble but that simply wasn't true. The DS got a bad rap for the longest time, doom and gloom abound and those who liked it, pretty much stayed silent because there was a time when it was bannable to disagree with the mods over this, and the mods were almost always anti-DS either overtly, or in the passive agressive mode. And to be fair, there was also a time when the DS didn't have anything worth a damn out, so those who believed in it has nothing to say pretty much, while the PSP camp beat the drums about how good Ridge Racers looked.

As with all system launches, it takes time for the new car smell to wear off and after people got settled down with the honeymoon and the luanch games were played to death, PSP's flaws became increasingly obvious (there are a few non troll threads floatings around about it if you're not convinced) and the DS gimmick touch screen became less gimmicky with new games making good use of it, the latest being Famicom Wars and Kirby.

There is or was a very clear turning of the mood however, probably in April but definately in May after E3 when the DS proved its worth in many people's eyes, and it has nothing to do with vindictive or petty personal rivalries, although I'm sure that's going on too. Ironically, I remember about 4 months after the N64 hit the market Next-Generation did a cover article entitled "What Went wrong with the Nintendo 64" and in retrospect, it was amazing how accurate that article captured the shift in mood after the new car smell on the N64 wore off.

 

[Tenacious-V]

either way, wouldnt you say that is what properly determines the success of a games system?

Yes I agree, Software tie in ratio is the best form of success as that is the main purpose of a games system. More software sold, the more successful your system.

and a rather sucky one at that. I swear... that memstick barrier makes it suck as any sort of PMP. All the people praising it... I'll have whatever you're smooookkinggggg

That was just typical Sony and their proprietary crap again. Use their memory stick and they get royalties regardless of if it's their official one or a third party version. If they had just used a standard Flash Memory it would be so simple to drop by walmart or whatever a grab a 1gig falsh card for cheap and away you go. But nope......

 

[Deleted member 1235]

tenacious V whats going on in your avatar?

 

[kaching]

You lost me there, mr sony apologist.

Well, don't worry, your intent wasn't lost on me...I don't take you as that stupid as to not understand the simple statement I made, so therefore this comment you've just made only exists so that you could label me at the end of it.

For the longest time, if you liked DS, you were treated like a pariah by this forum.

Sure by some of the people here. And, likewise, if you liked the PSP you were treated the same by some people here. Go ahead and deny the truth of that because you'll simply be implicating yourself. See exhibit A:

and a rather sucky one at that. I swear... that memstick barrier makes it suck as any sort of PMP. All the people praising it... I'll have whatever you're smooookkinggggg

 

[Tenacious-V]

tenacious V whats going on in your avatar?

lol, sadly I really don't fully know. I've been trying to figure that our for a while now. The guy is running (for a long jump perhaps?) and is only focused on the ground, the clueless girl doesn't realize there's an event taking place... When both realize what's going on, it's to late...

I've been looking for the original broadcasting, but to no avail....

http://ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=52009

 

[explodet]

I wish it was physically possible for me to throw tomatoes at this thread.
Not necessarily at the people posting in this thread, just the thread itself.

 

[mrklaw]

Have Sony said that they are competing with GBA/DS? Because surely the measures of success for PSP would be different to DS/GBA, as the price points and positioning are relatively different?

Anyway, way too early to judge. Although I use my PSP way more for videos than games at the moment (least until Hot shots golf 2 comes out). Given that, I should be interested in a PMP, but they all have such shit screens.

 

[Danj]

In Europe... I think Sony will probably do like MS and bundle like crazy to get things going. The fact that you can mod the system should be very attractive to many gamers.

But surely all the European units will have firmware 1.51 or 1.52 already loaded onto them, making them unmoddable? Also, given Sony Europe's current behaviour, they obviously think that imports are causing serious danger to their bottom line, so I don't think it'll do nearly as well as you think.

 

[Jonnyram]

Have Sony said that they are competing with GBA/DS? Because surely the measures of success for PSP would be different to DS/GBA, as the price points and positioning are relatively different?

I believe they said something like "Sony will bring handheld gaming out of the gutter." That looks to me like they're not just competing, but saying they're going to wipe the floor with the opposition.

 

[ki/oon]

PSP is expensive to develop for, therefore, PSP will die. End of discussion.

 

[Monk]

So have Sony themselves given up on the psp?

I mean they have dwindling dev and consumer support. They don't seem to be making much of an effort either to make thing better.

 

[michael000]

So have Sony themselves given up on the psp?

I mean they have dwindling dev and consumer support. They don't seem to be making much of an effort either to make thing better.

No effort?!?! You my friend have obviously not seen the extensive list of.... movies set to be released through the end of the year! Sony is working dilligently to make sure you joe consumer have your fill of UMD movies to watch only on your PSP at slightly above the price of the exact same movie on DVD (because no one wants something you can play on numerous players). Let's also not forget how hard they're working to keep your PSP secure with numerous patches to prevent "malicious" software from ruining your PSP. The fact that it prevents homebrew is an unfortunate and totally unplanned side effect.

But you want games you say? Well Sony has you taken care of as well, they have made sure you'll get plenty of opportunities to play crippled versions of new multi-platform games that you'd obviously not want to play on home consoles. Add to that the plethora of average PS1 games being remade for the PSP you've got no right to complain. Of course there's a couple of totally new and original titles for those wierdos who actually enjoy original and exclusive content. Don't worry though there's not many of these.

 

[demi]

I was playing my super insider preview copy of Breath of Fire III earlier, and let me tell you now:

You're in for a treat.

 

[rod]

I was playing my super insider preview copy of Breath of Fire III earlier, and let me tell you now:

You're in for a treat.

whens that due anyway?

 

[michael000]

whens that due anyway?

August 25th in Japan, so with localization i'd estimate between feb and may 06' if it's been confirmed for stateside release.

 

[DDayton]

Have Sony said that they are competing with GBA/DS? Because surely the measures of success for PSP would be different to DS/GBA, as the price points and positioning are relatively different?

Cue Photoshop of the Iraqi Information Minister with Ken Kutaragi face, loudly saying "WE ARE NOT COMPETING WITH NINTENDO" whilst an army of DS units chases a lone PSP in the background.

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

it pretty much nullifies everything else you have to say, which is a pity because you had a few fairly sound arguments in that biased rant.

So one game (split into two for increased sales numbers) can take down GTA, GT, and a special superior version of Madden? I hardly think so. Seriously. Give it up, the PSP is going to be kicking ass this fall, most likely past that and there's nothing DS fans can do about it except hope that sales slow down for some unknown reason, like terrorists randomly bombing trucks with PSPs.

I do NOT like the DS, and compared to the PSP, it's even more disappointing. Bad form factor, bad ergonomics, unattractive style, and no games which particularly interest me in the near future

Same here. Thats why it was sold for credit towards a digital camera. I think Mario & Luigi 2 could be implemented better like using the stylus to execute attacks, not this baby Mario and Luigi shit. New Super Mario Bros. looks like the Bowser intermission from Paper Mario 2 in a full game form except New SMB has weird distorted graphics.

I'm not sour grapes but the DS's upcoming software lineup isn't as good as people are making it out to be. Its just that E3 shock factor because Sony decided for whatever reason to ignore the PSP entirely.

I have a GC with a GB Player and thats the only console I own. The only console I'm going to own next gen is Revolution. Doesn't mean I have to like DS by default though.

And I don't understand why games such as Goemon or Castlevania can't be released on the PSP

Goemon and Castlevania's roots are on Nintendo machines. Its a smart move but I wouldn't be shocked to see a Goemon released on PSP. Castlevania? Possible but not probable. It seems Konami is thanking its GBA owners with releasing it only on Nintendo handhelds. Which is probably a good idea. Besides, any Castlevania on PSP would be in 3D and we all know how well those have turned out. DMC slaughters it and its on its way to PSP already.

Stateside, PSP is still on its first few months and still failed to sell its initital shipment of 1 million in the time Sony expected it to

Only because it was unreasonably high. A $250 machine released in Spring sold just a hair short of a million in five weeks. Spin or not, that was pretty damn good.

Sony just overestimated the demand of their system, thinking it would be a mirror of PS2

It is. The thing didn't take off as a serious gaming machine until Gran Turismo 3 came out. After that, it was only uphill for PS2. Remember all the jokes about being worse looking than Dreamcast, a $300 DVD player, and PlayStation ports? The PSP bashing reminds me of the same crowd. Only back then, I was on the side that was heckling the early PS2 owners.

If there was a time portal to see what people said in 2000 and 2001 with PS2, we'd all laugh and realize that this shit is the exact same as what was said.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

I don't agree with the higher tie ratio means the console is successful.


if the PS2 had half the ratio of GC, it still means that PS2 has generated more software sales than the GameCube

 

[jarrod]

Once GTA and GT Mobile comes out, PSP and DS will at worst (for PSP) be neck and neck. These games have outsold everything on GBA and suddenly they're supposed to flop on PSP? :lol

Actually, Pokemon has outsold every GTA and GT this gen so far. San Andreas might finally catch RuSa, but it's not a sure thing just yet.

 

[Do The Mario]

With it's great price i think the DS can jag 20 mil (plus if they keep the mario 64 bundle going!).

 

[mj1108]

Cue Photoshop of the Iraqi Information Minister with Ken Kutaragi face, loudly saying "WE ARE NOT COMPETING WITH NINTENDO" whilst an army of DS units chases a lone PSP in the background.

"WE ARE NOT COMPETING WITH NINTENDO!"

 

[kaching]

That's noble but that simply wasn't true. The DS got a bad rap for the longest time...

What isn't true? I already acknowledged that the DS got a bad rap by some people around here, so spare me the history lesson because I'm not the one denying it happened. It's you that's failing to acknowledge the same with the PSP and attempting to gloss right over to only what you consider the justified criticisms of the PSP that have emerged...as if there never was a time when people were claiming it wouldn't get more than 2-3 hrs of battery life (or less) it would be sold for more than $300, a device that can play movies, music and games is somehow "unfocused", etc.

There is or was a very clear turning of the mood however, probably in April but definately in May after E3 when the DS proved its worth in many people's eyes, and it has nothing to do with vindictive or petty personal rivalries, although I'm sure that's going on too.

Of course THAT part doesn't have anything to do with personal rivalries. It's the ensuing remarks aimed at the PSP or its owners from some of those people because of bolstered confidence that have everything to do with the petty personal rivalries.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

That may be true for you. But that sounds like a spin to me. I was reading these boards before both launched and the DS was getting picked on non stop and almost everyone was saying it was doomed when the PSP launches.

That's true for the period of time after the price was announced and before launch. before the price was announced, it was the other way around, with PSP predictions of doom. It's not spin, the whole thing is a big fanboy seesaw. Just wait, if/when the PSP does better than the DS in the US, the Sony-drones will crow again.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

And there was plenty of guff and predictions that went the other way as well. What bothers me though is that we have to see these threads continue to be saddled with the emotional baggage of people still seeking some petty vengeance for these perceived slights through vague references to the offenders who are rarely, if ever, actually called out by name. So each and every thread has to suffer vague references to these offenders, regardless of whether any of these people are actually participating in the thread, as thinly veiled justification for regurgitated criticism of product X or company Y, into perpetuity.

Post of the Thread.

 

[jarrod]

What isn't true? I already acknowledged that the DS got a bad rap by some people around here, so spare me the history lesson because I'm not the one denying it happened. It's you that's failing to acknowledge the same with the PSP and attempting to gloss right over to only what you consider the justified criticisms of the PSP that have emerged...as if there never was a time when people were claiming it wouldn't get more than 2-3 hrs of battery life (or less) it would be sold for more than $300, a device that can play movies, music and games is somehow "unfocused", etc.

I think a key difference there though is that when it became clear PSP wouldn't cost $300+ and lasted 6+ hours off a single charge, the vast majority expected imminent market takeover. DS has always been hounded based on it's concrete "faults" though (weak launch lineup, weak visual/audio capabilities, less desirable form factor, cart media, touch/voice gimmickry, map screens, stubborn convergence fearing Nintendo philosophies, etc) and despite that, it's still continually beating expectations.

I think that's the key issue really, expectation. DS is exceeding what most thought possible, while PSP isn't quite hitting the bar most expected. People are obviously going to react to that.

 

[Ruzbeh]

Nintendo wins. But!

Not because the DS is selling more than the PSP (and always will sell more).

But because Nintendo's expectations were met and raised, and Sony's expectations were not met (and were eventually lowered).

LOL AM I RITE??? :lol

 

[akascream]

Haha, this thread is gold. It's hilarious to watch the white knight ride in and completely derail what is a typical GAF conversation with some kind of higher purpose (or percieved higher purpose, aka attention *cough*whore*cough*) in mind. If you don't like the conversation here, fucking go away.


Oh, and it IS good to be on the winning team!

 

[kaching]

Jarrod, none of that is justification for poor sportmanship.

 

[jarrod]

Jarrod, none of that is justification for poor sportmanship.

Of course not... but this sort of reaction is hardly surprising either. I'd say it's expected really.

 

[kaching]

Of course not... but this sort of reaction is hardly surprising either. I'd say it's expected really.

It's absolutely pathological for GAF, that's not in dispute. My initial comment was about disliking the pathology which then got me responses of the order, "Nuh uh, that didn't happen."

 

[sonycowboy]

I think that's the key issue really, expectation. DS is exceeding what most thought possible, while PSP isn't quite hitting the bar most expected. People are obviously going to react to that.

I agree. But I think it isn't any lack of quality on the PSP's part or even really a lack of products in development. Looking at your list, the PSP is going toe-to-toe withe the DS for a ton of games in development.

The issues, IMO, really are:

1) The incredible reception the DS got at launch with not that great of games (although Mario64 was a killer app and GBA backwards compatabilty were clearly underestimated)

2) The effect of pricing on the PSP's acceptance seems to be much, much stonger than the "bullish" among us thought. Many thought it would sell millions regardless of the price and they were proven wrong. The hardcore bought it, the casuals haven't.

3) The "port" nature of the PSP does seem to make it's lineup seem less potent and as we've mentioned, the higher cost of development relative to other handholds (it's much less than people think) is clearly having an effect on what's being developed.

4) Nintendo clearly used E3 as a showcase for the DS and Sony decided to let the publishers individually handle their PSP showings and left many with the impression that the DS absolutely killed the PSP at E3. I'll certainly agree that DS has the breadth of content and some killer apps out there, but the PSP has a pretty darn good lineup, not that you'd know it from Sony at E3. You had to really, really look to find the PSP games and they got little to now coverage.

I'm certainly willing to eat crow. I honestly thought gamers were ready for "super" graphics on a handheld and clearly many have overestimated their importance to this market. That and, as I think we can now all agree, the price is too high. End of story.

 

[akascream]

I agree. But I think it isn't any lack of quality on the PSP's part or even really a lack of products in development.

You could say the same about the Xbox. Sometimes brand is everything.

 

[megateto]

I just hope that Sony takes a good note of how to properly treat Europe:

I think it was on January when I placed my PSP preorder in the biggest videogame retail chain over here, Spain. When all the news came on pricing and release date I said to hell with the Euro unit and decided to import an American one, a month and a half ago.

Today I received a phone call from the shop, telling me that the preorder system had just began (it's coupon based, with a 30€ deposit). I told them no, thanks, I already have the unit. The woman told me that she had phoned 5 people and 4 of them were just like me. I told her to tell the Sony salesman what the situation was: people know Internet, compare prices and release dates and make their decision.

SCEE, treat us right (or it could be all down to Japan, if my sources are correct).

 

[HCgamer]

ONE HANDHELD FUTURE

Correction. Two handheld future Micro is going to sell like hotcakes especially if big N packages Play Yan with it.

 

[akascream]

Correction. Two handheld future Micro is going to sell like hotcakes especially if big N packages Play Yan with it.

Touche!


I want a micro so bad! =(

 

[Shaheed79]

At the risk of getting banned I find that a lot of the so called Anti N-Boy evangelists end up becoming most of what they despise in their self-justification of their actions. Every side has their percentage of embarrassing idiotic fanboys. Measuring the degrees of their idiocy on some sort of self-indulged barometer to justify their resolve flirts with that same line of fanboyism they so despise. But I digress. People will believe in what they believe and nothing seldom changes that level of compassion that drives them in what they feel is "right".

 

[Donnie]

It's beating DS for 2005 here so far.

DS was released in 2004, while PSP was released in 2005. Only talking about 2005 sales ignores DS's launch sales and is a very selective way of looking at things. So far we have 2 months of PSP sales in the US. So why not compare those to DS's first 2 months of sales?

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

DS was released in 2004, while PSP was released in 2005. Only talking about 2005 sales ignores DS's launch sales and is a very selective way of looking at things. So far we have 2 months of PSP sales in the US. So why not compare those to DS's first 2 months of sales?

Because those were during the holiday season?

You can't really compare in any meaningful way. To say the PSP is outselling the DS right now is to say that the PSP is outselling the DS right now. Ditto in Japan with the roles reversed. PEOPLE, IT'S THE FUCKING OFF-SEASON! The real "battle" (if there must be one) happens in Q4, when as may systems are sold as the whole rest of the year.

(perhaps I should say it's the FUCKING-OFF season?)

 

[michael000]

At first glance that US list for this year that jarrod gave in another thread would make you think that everything's roses but if you look closely at least imo it's not. I didn't bother to go through the DS list because quite frankly i don't give a shit lol.

PSP Games
-50 Cent: Bulletproof (VU Games) - multiplatform
-Ape Escape: Academia (SCEI) - new
-Armored Core: Formula Front Special Edition (Agetec) - remake
-Battlefield II: Modern Combat (Electronic Arts) - multiplatform
-Bloodrayne 2 (Majesco) - new
-Bounty Hounds (Namco) - new
-Burnout Legends (Electronic Arts) - new
-Coded Arms (Konami) - new
-Colin McRae Rally 2005 (Codemasters) - unconfirmed for US multiplatform
-Combat Over Europe (GMX Media) - ??? no media/no info
-Crash Tag Team Racing (VU Games) - multiplatform
-Daxter (SCEI) - new
-Dead to Rights: Reckoning (Namco) - new
-Death Jr (Konami) - new
-Disney Presents a Pixar Film: The Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer (THQ) - multiplatform
-F1 Grand Prix (SCEI) - unconfirmed for US new
-Field Commander (Sony Online Entertainment) - ??? no media/no info
-Fired Up (SCEI) - unconfirmed for US new
-FRANTIX - new
-Free Runing (Eidos) - new
-Frogger: Helmet Chaos (Konami) - multiplatform
-Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex (Bandai) - new
-Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories (Rockstar Games) - new
-Greg Hastings Tour Paintball Max'd (Activision) - cancelled
-Gretzky NHL 06 (SCEI) - multiplatform
-GripShift (Sony Online Entertainment) - new
-Guilty Gear Judgment (Majesco) - remake
-Gun (Activision) - multiplatform
-Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (Electronic Arts) - multiplatform
-Infected (Majesco) - new
-Lara Croft: Tomb Raider Legend (Eidos) - multiplatform
-Madden NFL 06 (Electronic Arts) - multiplatform
-Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects (Electronic Arts) - multiplatform
-MediEvil Resurrection (SCEI) - new
-Metal Gear AC!D 2 (Konami) - not this year
-Midnight Club 3: DUB Edition (Rockstar Games) - multiplatform
-Midway Arcade Treasures: Ultimate Classics (Midway) - remake
-Monster Hunter Portable (Capcom) - remake
-Mortal Kombat: Deception (Midway) - remake
-MX Unleashed (THQ) - ??? no media/no info
-Namco Museum Battle Collection (Namco) - remake
-NBA 06 (SCEI) - multiplatform
-NBA Ballers (Midway) - multiplatform
-NBA Live 06 (Electronic Arts) - multiplatform
-Need for Speed Most Wanted (Electronic Arts) - multiplatform
-Neo Pets: Petpet Adventures: The Wand of Wishing (SCEI) - new
-Pac-Man World 3 (Namco) - multiplatform
-Payout Poker and Casino (Namco) - multiplatform
-Peter Jackson's King Kong (UbiSoft) - multiplatform
-PoPoLo Crois (Agetec) - new
-Prince of Persia 3 (UbiSoft) - remake
-Pursuit Force (SCEI) - unconfirmed for US new
-SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo (SCEI) - new
-SpongeBob SquarePants: The Yellow Avenger (THQ) - multiplatform
-SSX: On Tour (Electronic Arts) - multiplatform
-Stacked with Daniel Negreanu (Myelin Media) - multiplatform
-Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (UbiSoft) - multiplatform
-StageShift (Playlogic International) - multiplatform
-Street Fighter Alpha 3 Upper (Capcom) - remake
-Tenchi no Mon (SCEI) - new
-The Apprentice (VU Games) - multiplatform
-The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe (Disney Interactive) - multiplatform
-The Con (SCEI) - new
-The Fantastic Four (Activision) - multiplatform
-The Godfather (Electronic Arts) - multiplatform
-The Sims 2 (Electronic Arts) - multiplatform
-TOCA Race Driver 2: The Ultimate Racing Simulator (Codemasters) - remake
-Tokobot (Bandai) - ??? no media/no info
-Tony Hawk's American Wasteland (Activision) - multiplatform
-True Crime 2 (Activision) - ??? no media/no info
-Viewtiful Joe: Battle Carnival (Capcom) - multiplatform
-Virtua Pool 2005 (Sega) - ??? no media/no info
-Virtua Tennis: World Tour (Sega) - new
-World Poker Tour 2K6 (2K Games) - multiplatform
-World Rally Championship (SCEI) - new
-X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse (Activision) - multiplatform
-Xyanide (Playlogic International) - multiplatform
-Ys: The Ark of Napishtim (Konami) - remake
-Zooo (Ignition Entertainment) - multiplatform

 

[NWO]

It's doing poorly in the US? We have numbers for that?

DS is around 1.8 million in the US with the PSP at around 0.9 million. Don't get how that's bad for the DS and good for the PSP but whatever.

 

[cvxfreak]

This thread was entertaining.

I think people have to accept that the DS is ahead at the moment, the PSP isn't and that the right move may make changes. Predict all you want; we have weekly Media Create and monthly NPD threads to see if they come true.

I find it very laughable that people call the DS gimmicky, or the PSP vastly superior. Clearly, it's your opinion, and if sales don't make that a harsh reality, then you need a new opinion. :lol (I'm only joking on that last part, but the rest is true)

That said, I like both systems because they're vastly different. I think the touch screen's great.

 

[Virgin Wii]

And there was plenty of guff and predictions that went the other way as well. What bothers me though is that we have to see these threads continue to be saddled with the emotional baggage of people still seeking some petty vengeance for these perceived slights through vague references to the offenders who are rarely, if ever, actually called out by name. So each and every thread has to suffer vague references to these offenders, regardless of whether any of these people are actually participating in the thread, as thinly veiled justification for regurgitated criticism of product X or company Y, into perpetuity.

I'm sorry kaching, but this simply is not true. Your favoritism of Sony's product is seriously clouding your memory here. While it's true that there were some righteous DS fans on the board months back, they weren't in any great number (could probably count them on one hand). Furthermore, they consisted of the usual Nintendo fanboys that nobody took seriously to begin with.

The PSP horde consisted of nearly everyone on GAF, many of them being highly respected posters. I don't even know how you can begin to say the two crowds were on the same level.

This is like a case of some EGM thread where they give a Mario Party '5.0's across the board, 2 posters come in bitching about the scores, and then everybody laughs about how Nintendo fans in general can't take bad reviews. Happens all the time.

 

[Donnie]

You can't really compare in any meaningful way.

You might think its unfair to compare holiday sales to none holiday sales. But IMO its comparing launch sales to none launch sales is even more unfair.