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Sony rethinks PSP demand

what i find very odd is comparing forum life to real life.


here in the forum most people speak about the PSP having a slow down on quality titles at the moment and how right now DS is starting to get some good stuff.


then the other day at gamestop i overhear this guy speaking about how right now the DS is dried up and the PSP has so many great titles out.


i went and searched the psp wall and the only one that made my wallet start jumping around was mercury.


(has anyone played that by the way? is it good?)
 
StRaNgE said:
(has anyone played that by the way? is it good?)
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Its pretty average. Not bad...just average. The load times are longer than what they should be for such brief levels. Its worth maybe $20, not $40, IMO.
 
StRaNgE
Yeah, the last time I visited my Gamestop they were telling me how much PSP is killing the DS. So I don't know, I could really care less about the handheld wars. Both the PSP and the DS have some great titles now, and on the way.
 
StRaNgE said:
what i find very odd is comparing forum life to real life.


here in the forum most people speak about the PSP having a slow down on quality titles at the moment and how right now DS is starting to get some good stuff.


then the other day at gamestop i overhear this guy speaking about how right now the DS is dried up and the PSP has so many great titles out.


i went and searched the psp wall and the only one that made my wallet start jumping around was mercury.


(has anyone played that by the way? is it good?)
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I enjoyed what little I played, but it takes a fairly long time to get rolling (no pun intended). The intro levels are really short and the game also has quite long load times. The music is rather nice, some lite, ambient house. Using the analog nub to control is a pain in the ass. Overall if you liked Super Monkey Ball and don't mind load times, it's worth picking up. Teh way the mercury moves is really cool.
 
Wow the DC is strong with this thread. :)

DS fans are in a much better position now to claim the PSP is doomed that PSP fans were in a few months ago when it was outselling the DS on a weekly basis while lagging in overall LTD sales (I remember being accused of DC for pointing this out). That didn't prevent scores of 56k killing 'bomba' photoshops per weekly sales thread.
 
RE4 vs. SH4 said:
...While it's true that there were some righteous DS fans on the board months back, they weren't in any great number (could probably count them on one hand).
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I believe you're downplaying the numbers but let's let you have this, since there's no way I'm going to spend the time to disprove it. However, unwarranted criticism aimed at the PSP did not come strictly from DS fans and nothing I've said so far has pegged this strictly to DS fans. Just like unwarranted criticism of the DS wasn't coming strictly from PSP fans.

The PSP horde consisted of nearly everyone on GAF, many of them being highly respected posters. I don't even know how you can begin to say the two crowds were on the same level.
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There's enough posters at GAF that have no love for anything Sony that renders this assessment utter blindness or BS. But my argument isn't about the size of crowds, its about the VOLUME of unwarranted criticism that flew back and forth and continues to do so. It's been significant on both sides, regardless of how many people you think comprises each side.
 
Just judging from my collection of games for the DS (20 games) and PSP (19 games) and the PSP is just not doing it right.

DS is cheaper

DS is far more portable

DS has better games now (Kirby beats any PSP game)

DS has better games coming out in the next several weeks

Now if anyone here knows my past I would be the last guy on the side of Nintendo but the DS just works.

Unless you got a thing for watching UMDs on the bus/train/toilet it is kind of pointless to own a PSP right now.
 
Amir0x said:
I don't understand why the words "Sonybot", "Xbot" and "N-bot" (or any variation thereof) aren't just banned. They're the most counterproductive words of all time, and they just contribute to an atmosphere of accusations and distrust.
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amen bro

this ds/psp war is stupid,from all sides
 
DS is cheaper
Sure.

DS is far more portable
What does that MEAN?

DS has better games now (Kirby beats any PSP game)
Well, that's an opinion. I would completely disagree, but whatever.

DS has better games coming out in the next several weeks
I don't see why picking a few weeks' worth of release schedule and comparing them means a damn thing.

Unless you got a thing for watching UMDs on the bus/train/toilet it is kind of pointless to own a PSP right now.
Now that's just silly.
 
-jinx- said:
DS is far more portable
What does that MEAN?
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I'd assume he means it's a hair easier to slip into a coat or pants pocket (based on length), and the clamshell design gives it better protection for those times you just grab it and go without taking along a case or protector of some sort (which arguably adds to the bulk of the system). I'd mention battery life, but I really don't know how the DS or PSP battery life rate in comparison to each other.
 
this is awesome nintendo fans finally get the vindication they want for lacklustre gamecube sales

the gahiggidy game needs a new option for the 2005 era..PSP vs DS sales
 
Ristamar said:
I'd assume he means it's a hair easier to slip into a coat or pants pocket (based on length), and the clamshell design gives it better protection for those times you just grab it and go without taking along a case or protector of some sort (which arguably adds to the bulk of the system). I'd mention battery life, but I really don't know how the DS or PSP battery life rate in comparison to each other.
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i found the ds more bulky than the psp in that aspect ( still its a stupid factor )
 
-jinx- said:
DS is far more portable
What does that MEAN?
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Better battery life, more durable, games have no load time, not a magnet for dust and greasy fingerprints.

The DS is just a better portable.
 
DS has better games now (Kirby beats any PSP game)
Well, that's an opinion. I would completely disagree, but whatever.
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I feel the need to point something out here. Everyone always feels the need to distinguish opinion from fact. And while this is certainly understandable, something needs to be distinguished in that also.

Zelda Ocarina of Time is better than Superman 64. It is impossible for this to be a fact. I'm sure out there you could find someone who genuinely liked Superman 64 more than Zelda OOT. We are talking about a subjective statement, so even though the first sentence is the sentiment of probably 99.999% of the gaming population, because it is a subjective opinion it cannot be a factual statement.

Going onto Kirby and the current (and future) PSP lineup; while there are some, maybe even many, that Kirby just won't appeal to and that any of the AAA titles on the PSP will be more appealing to, I think it is safe to say that if you stuck kirby in a gamer's hands and then even the best ofthe best PSP game in there, most gamer's will find kirby much more entertaining. I mean let's face it, the game is fucking genius. so assuming both weak lineups were about even before, kirby tipped the scale in the eyes of most gamers. is it fact? no, but when a majority population carries an opinion, it is definitely the next closest thing.

DS has better games coming out in the next several weeks
I don't see why picking a few weeks' worth of release schedule and comparing them means a damn thing.
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his statement was the next few weeks, but really it's through the end of the year. through the end of the year DS has probably half a dozen AAA titles, if not more. PSP has shit except for (supposedly) GT and GTA:LC. Not to say they won't have any other games that will be fun, but in looking at games that will get the typical user excited enough to drop $250 on a game system, they have two. On the other hand, DS will have quite a few games (and probably quite a few more non-AAA titles) that would convince someone that parting with $150 is a deal.

Unless you got a thing for watching UMDs on the bus/train/toilet it is kind of pointless to own a PSP right now.
Now that's just silly.
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again, while it is opinion, it is probably an opinion shared by the majority of gamers. Hopefully May numbers come out soon and we can see how PSP is selling after the honeymoon. I have a feeling it won't be pretty.
 
.hacked said:
Better battery life, more durable, games have no load time, not a magnet for dust and greasy fingerprints.

The DS is just a better portable.
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:lol :lol :lol

How about trying to walk and play at the same time with a stylus and holding the unit steady?

Or even holding the unit while using the stylus and not having to put the system down or at least on your lap?

I guarantee you can't play Metroid Hunters without putting the DS down on something.

Not that any of these issues make the system a "better portable". Greasy fingerprints and dust? Jeez.
 
sonycowboy said:
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I'm certainly willing to eat crow. I honestly thought gamers were ready for "super" graphics on a handheld and clearly many have overestimated their importance to this market. That and, as I think we can now all agree, the price is too high. End of story.
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You are one of the few posters around here that will openly “eat crow” when you are wrong. And for that, I applaud you.
 
sonycowboy said:
:lol :lol :lol

How about trying to walk and play at the same time with a stylus and holding the unit steady?

Or even holding the unit while using the stylus and not having to put the system down or at least on your lap?

I guarantee you can't play Metroid Hunters without putting the DS down on something.

Not that any of these issues make the system a "better portable". Greasy fingerprints and dust? Jeez.
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Well I can use a PDA and walk so I don't really see your point there. I have played Kirby and Golden Eye while standing in the kitchen. Maybe I just have super human dexterity, like Spiderman :D

I guess walking and playing the PSP is a bit better, you can just stand still play a lvl for a min or two than walk about 1/2 mile while it loads the next lvl.
 
akascream said:
That distinction isn't worth making. They are both behemoths. Gameboy Micro, WHERE ARE YOU!!
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Nintendo I just loving playing GBA games but could you please make it so I can barely see them?

Sorry I don't feel like going blind playing GBA games on a screen the size of a Ipod mini display screen. GBAmicro is a dumb idea.
 
.hacked said:
Nintendo I just loving playing GBA games but could you please make it so I can barely see them?

Sorry I don't feel like going blind playing GBA games on a screen the size of a Ipod mini display screen. GBAmicro is a dumb idea.
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Sorry, but I don't like carrying around a purse to play portable games. Something that fits into my pockets will work fine, especially since I'm not blind.
 
I like good graphics, but I also like about 5 other things the PSP don't do very well, and I'll list them

1) portability
2) durability
3) cost (hidden or otherwise)
4) battery life
5) compelling library
6) reason to buy portable version

ok, 6 other things. What I don't get is whenever DS get knocked, its almost invevitably about N64 graphics or gimmicky touch screens.

It's great when I can play a game with realistic looking trees and not some 4 polygon cardboard cutout that looks ugly close up, but I'm not going to live or die by that. Because if the game itself is more fun, I can overlook that.

I still remember when Nintendo fans clung so heavily to the N64's filtering abilities and harassed PS1 fans about it everytime a game had to deal with twitchy textures, pixellation and bad aliasing issues. PSP supporters are doing exactly this. For the longtime Sony fans, have they forgotten what it was like a few years back?

It's one thing to play to your strength of a platform, its quite another to tow a line regardless of the situation.

As for the touchscreen, it is my opinion it has shed its gimmick status because (ironically) of the games.
 
akascream said:
Sorry, but I don't like carrying around a purse to play portable games. Something that fits into my pockets will work fine, especially since I'm not blind.
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If you can't fit a DS in your pocket you need bigger pants. Ditch them tight jeans it is not 1985 anymore.
 
.hacked said:
If you can't fit a DS in your pocket you need bigger pants. Ditch them tight jeans it is not 1985 anymore.
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I can't, I've got friends in Williamsburg.

DS/PSP are both far too bulky, awkward and expensive to be successful handhelds. Micro wins.
 
akascream said:
How about this, how about I decide what appeals to me? Kthx.
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No I can't permit that. You have to like what I like. Get a pair of cargo shorts, a DS and a copy of Kirby now.
 
If you wear skin tight jeans, no normal* handheld is going to comfortably fit in your pocket, not even an SP.





*GBA Micro is not a normal handheld, IMO.
 
jarrod said:
SP fits well in a back pocket. Just don't sit down.
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Heh. I couldn't trust myself not to...

I don't even keep my wallet in my back pocket anymore. It gets pretty damn annoying when you're sitting around for a good portion of the day.
 
.hacked said:
No I can't permit that. You have to like what I like. Get a pair of cargo shorts, a DS and a copy of Kirby now.
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I have both a DS and Kirby, as well as a PSP. I play them sitting in front of my tv on my couch. I don't haul them around in public because they are both uncomfortable as hell, whether squeezed into a pocket, or thrown in a gaming purse.

I'd like a portable handheld. Enter Gameboy Micro.
 
sonycowboy said:
How about trying to walk and play at the same time with a stylus and holding the unit steady?

Or even holding the unit while using the stylus and not having to put the system down or at least on your lap?

I guarantee you can't play Metroid Hunters without putting the DS down on something.
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I don't really want to get involved in this thread as I own both, though DS has been entertaining me more then my PSP.

I know where you are coming from when you are saying this, I used to figure the same thing. However, you very quickly learn how to accomidate for this issue. I can easily use the stylus and hold the unit steady, I simpply balance the unit against the palm of the stylus hand and hold it with my other. It works out quite well.

Hunters is even easier as the thumb strap is very useable for the game. While using it I can grasp both sides as normal.

The PSP however oddly enough kills my hand with any extended time used on the analog nub. Not that I hate it for it, but both systems can easily be said to have their control issues.
 
-jinx- said:
DS has better games now (Kirby beats any PSP game)
Well, that's an opinion. I would completely disagree, but whatever.
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Well, at least it's an opinion based on owning 20 DS games and 19 PSP games (how DOES he afford them all?)... You can't say he hasn't done his homework.

What would you base your complete disagreement on? Have you even played Kirby, or the Nintendo DS at all?
 
Deku said:
1) portability
2) durability
3) cost (hidden or otherwise)
4) battery life
5) compelling library
6) reason to buy portable version
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Look, hey, it's your list, but let's take a look at it:

1) I still don't understand what it means to be "more portable." None of these handhelds require a two-man lift. They are similar in size and weight, and neither one fits well into a pocket. Both of them fit quite nicely in a laptop bag or backpack.

2) On what basis are you deciding that the DS is more durable? Yes, the PSP's design makes it more susceptible to damage...if you don't carry it in a case. But then again, iPods have exposed screens too, and I don't see people complaining about their durability. More to the point, the hardware is so NEW that I doubt we've seen any real durability issues manifest yet. For example, how well will the touchscreen hold up over time? The kiosk DS units I've used have all had significant dead spots in them.

3) Yes, it is highly likely the PSP will always cost more than the DS, and Sony's choice of removable storage media also ups the cost.

4) Yes, the DS currently has better battery life. Although Sony could release a more powerful battery, it's probably reasonable to assume that DS will always have a longer battery life. However, with the exception of very long car/plane rides, how often do people actually have 5+ hour gaming sessions without access to an AC adapter? In practical terms, I don't see how battery life is a major factor.

5) The game libraries are not an intrinsic part of the system, and will change over time. Further, this is such an incredibly subjective judgment -- how the hell can you compare two people's opinions meaningfully? Based on your comment, we CLEARLY have different tastes.

6) I don't even understand what the hell this one means. "Portable version" of what?
 
Teddman said:
Well, it's an opinion based on owning 20 DS games and 19 PSP games (how DOES he afford them all?)...

What would you base your complete disagreement on? Have you even played Kirby, or the Nintendo DS at all?
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I haven't gotten alot of play time on the DS, but I have played quite a few games because my brother spoils his son to no end (and he loves his DS). So, my commentary is based on short bouts of game time.

I've played Kirby and it's the best game on either system for pure fun. You can't really compare it to the Ridge Racers, Lumines, or HSG because, well that's just stupid.

However, overall, the only DS games I've truly enjoyed are Kirby & Meteos. Mario 64 was enjoyable, but the controls and the content change just didn't do it for me. And I'm just not a big fan of the "mini-game" games.

However, the PSP has more games that I personally enjoy. Ridge Racer, Lumines, Untold Legends, Metal Gear Ac!d, & Hot Shots Golf are all great. I'm sure I'd enjoy Wipeout, but I wasn't looking to get another racer.
 
DS is cheaper
Sure.

freedom hater.

DS is far more portable
What does that MEAN?

it means our freedoms can be carried around in our pockets instead of our bags. that's progress. (awkward pause)

DS has better games now (Kirby beats any PSP game)
Well, that's an opinion. I would completely disagree, but whatever.

people need to understand that supporting kirby supports democratic and good game-play ideals........ i'm optimistic that PSP can have good games in the future.

DS has better games coming out in the next several weeks
I don't see why picking a few weeks' worth of release schedule and comparing them means a damn thing.

it means that the PSP insurgency is in it's last throes......

Unless you got a thing for watching UMDs on the bus/train/toilet it is kind of pointless to own a PSP right now.
Now that's just silly.

ditto.
 
Teddman said:
What would you base your complete disagreement on?
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He's a mod dude, don't question his wisdom! I love how when he goes into a thread, it's always with an air of authority that makes its way into his participation in the very thread he was dissapointed with in the first place. It's an association of authority from his moderator status to his opinion for making a statement of fact. It's fun to watch.
 
-jinx- said:
2) On what basis are you deciding that the DS is more durable? Yes, the PSP's design makes it more susceptible to damage...if you don't carry it in a case. But then again, iPods have exposed screens too, and I don't see people complaining about their durability. More to the point, the hardware is so NEW that I doubt we've seen any real durability issues manifest yet. For example, how well will the touchscreen hold up over time? The kiosk DS units I've used have all had significant dead spots in them.
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Media also brings a notable durability issue. Optical formats are instrinsically more fragile than solid state, which weights heavily into DS favor. Nintendo and SCEI also have a certain... erm... track record with the durability of their platforms. I don't really think awarding DS the "durability" prize is much of a stretch here, and really it is a primary concern for many buying a handheld.


-jinx- said:
3) Yes, it is highly likely the PSP will always cost more than the DS, and Sony's choice of removable storage media also ups the cost.
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Also, PSP games command a $10 premium over DS games.


-jinx- said:
4) Yes, the DS currently has better battery life. Although Sony could release a more powerful battery, it's probably reasonable to assume that DS will always have a longer battery life. However, with the exception of very long car/plane rides, how often do people actually have 5+ hour gaming sessions without access to an AC adapter? In practical terms, I don't see how battery life is a major factor.
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Both platforms have modular batteries that could theoretically be replaced with larger capacity substitutes. Battery life has always been a primary concern for handhelds though, it was instrumental in the original Game Boy's massive success iover it's competitors. I'm inclined to agree that both PSP (5-6 hrs) and DS (8-10 hrs) are "good enough" though, despite DS' slim lead.
 
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