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[stn]

Its a good idea for them to get exposure on all consoles on release, since this is a new series. Everything I've seen so far looks good, these Asian studios have been killing it lately.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

There really isn't a single timed exclusive on PS5 this gen that sold all that well. They've all underperformed. Maybe Sony needs to offer them more money.

This categorically false.

Stellar Blade didn't. Neither did FFVII:R or Kena.

I can only think of one, FFXVI that did "underperform", and that by SE's metrics which are shite because they're terrible at forecasting sales and setting realistic sales targets. There isn't a SE game that doesn't underperform according to them based on their stupid internal sales targets.

And realistically, you're gonna have to provide receipts on how well Asian games do on Xbox, because all the historical data shows that Asian made games tank on that platform; and that's even not taking into account the deleterious effect GamePass has on games sales on Xbox.

 

[DeepEnigma]

And seriously, regarding exclusivity lets not forget Black Desert was an Xbox timed exclusive back in 2017.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Point in case that timed exclusives are not needed when multiplatform doing the job just as good.

not really. the economics are way different.

I like exclusives, I think it gives every platform and gaming as a whole more character. I dont care which platform has them tho but timed exclusives has no value.

the irony is that time exclusives (third/second party) are probably the best value for the platform holder's money

 

[mckmas8808]

Exclusives are fine but if all you got is timed exclusives than stop doing them altogether makes no sense? Timed exclusives bring no value to the platform at all.

It gives people literally a reason to buy into the platform. Final Fantasy 16 is a timed exclusive. So is Silent Hill 2 Remake.

 

[Investor9872]

3rd party Timed exclusives are just asinine, and shouldn't be done ever.

 

[Connxtion]

Its their loss

Edit: explanation for the triggered folks! Refusing millions to gain a fraction of that through Xbox is not a smart business decision.

You got the lotto numbers?

 

[Fabieter]

not really. the economics are way different.

the irony is that time exclusives (third/second party) are probably the best value for the platform holder's money

Is it, though? Most games are already available on your platform, and if a significant portion of day-one sales occurs there for many titles, there's little point in delaying. This includes timed first-party titles as well. If Sony is already porting everything about a year later, they might as well release them day-one across platforms, as I’ve said before. And this is coming from someone who actually enjoys exclusives."

 

[Fabieter]

It gives people literally a reason to buy into the platform. Final Fantasy 16 is a timed exclusive. So is Silent Hill 2 Remake.

Silent hill 2 remake isnt and even it was. Just having a game early makes you shit out 500 bucks for hardware?

 

[BennyBlanco]

Is it, though? Most games are already available on your platform, and if a significant portion of day-one sales occurs there for many titles, there's little point in delaying. This includes timed first-party titles as well. If Sony is already porting everything about a year later, they might as well release them day-one across platforms, as I’ve said before. And this is coming from someone who actually enjoys exclusives."

When you say you enjoy exclusives, what do you mean? Like I can’t imagine sitting down to play a game, and being like “heh, this is pretty good but I would’ve liked this more if only people who own this specific piece of hardware got to play it.”

This mindset is absurd. And thankfully the new gen of zoomer gamers do not give a fuck about platforms and console wars.

 

[Jigsaah]

I think Pearl Abyss is just trying to get hype for their shitty AFK grind fest sequel.

Isn't Crimson Desert a single player game? I don't think it's a sequel to Black Desert.

 

[mckmas8808]

Silent hill 2 remake isnt and even it was. Just having a game early makes you shit out 500 bucks for hardware?

It is a timed console exclusive.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Is it, though?

yes

someone who actually enjoys exclusives.

this is weird.

do you enjoy exclusives because:

a) the fact that a certain game is not on another platform?

b) the idea that exclusives provide the best production values/quality/squeeze the most out of one platform?

c) another reason?

Most games are already available on your platform,

most of those games don't have a marketing/exclusivity deals.

and if a significant portion of day-one sales occurs there for many titles, there's little point in delaying.

think about this: if 1 out of 1000 games have an exclusivity/Marketing deal... why the drama about it?

This includes timed first-party titles as well. If Sony is already porting everything about a year later, they might as well release them day-one across platforms.

sony could fuck around and find out.... but as long as they have a console(Maket Place) as the core of its PlayStation business.

Exclusives have value.

 

[ap_puff]

Ok, but where's DokeV?

 

[EN250]

No loss for anyone, they must be confident in their game and also it's a good thing Sony can't just rely on another timed exclusive to fill the 1st party void

 

[Fabieter]

this is weird.

do you enjoy exclusives because:

a) the fact that a certain game is not on another platform?

b) the idea that exclusives provide the best production values/quality/squeeze the most out of one platform?

c) another reason?

It's just shapes the character of certain platform. I dont mind any platform to have exclusives. If I want to play something on a platform i don't own it will buy it. It's definitely easier to enjoy gaming in a multiplatform environment and the publisher also has benefit of it. But 20 to 25 years ago when every platform including pc had a shit ton of exclusive was special. Maybe it's just a nostalgia thing tho.

most of those games don't have a marketing/exclusivity deals.

So? They stopped having permanent exclusives so I dont see that it will have the same effect as it used be. People will learn that other platforms are fine for most games .

sony could fuck around and find out.... but as long as they have a console(Maket Place) as the core of its PlayStation business.

Exclusives have value.

Would agree if they still had permanent exclusives.

It is a timed console exclusive

It is and most people who don't own playstation can play it without having one.

 

[DaciaJC]

Good. Fuck exclusivity.

 

[pasterpl]

Stick to defending your garbage Marvel movies buddy cuz ure wrong.

Never heard of this game before but it looks fun, I like that skills are triggered by button combinations like in fighting games, it’s more action than rpg for sure. If it is not GaaS/MMO trash I will definitely try it at least.

 

[DarkstarRising13]

I don't understand why Sony would want to give this game Timed Exclusivity for the PS5. Judging from all the gameplay I've seen, there is no way the Series S is going to handle the gameplay elements of this title without severe comprises. Heck, Sony could have obtained the marketing rights for it and I doubt the developers would complain. And it's likely the Xbox version is going to be delayed.

Plus...let's face it: It's going to play MUCH better on a PS5 Pro compared to Xbox. A Realistic version of Tears of the Kingdom but with better gameplay will play best on a PS5 Pro and/or a high-end gaming PC.

 

[mckmas8808]

I don't understand why Sony would want to give this game Timed Exclusivity for the PS5. Judging from all the gameplay I've seen, there is no way the Series S is going to handle the gameplay elements of this title without severe comprises. Heck, Sony could have obtained the marketing rights for it and I doubt the developers would complain. And it's likely the Xbox version is going to be delayed.

Plus...let's face it: It's going to play MUCH better on a PS5 Pro compared to Xbox. A Realistic version of Tears of the Kingdom but with better gameplay will play best on a PS5 Pro and/or a high-end gaming PC.

I don't think Sony knew that Xbox wouldn't be getting some games at launch due to the Series S.

 

[bender]

Maybe Sony is cash strapped for timed exclusive

 

[DarkstarRising13]

I don't think Sony knew that Xbox wouldn't be getting some games at launch due to the Series S.

If this news report was about Sony trying to obtain exclusivity back in 2021 and 2022, I can understand why the developers declined because back then, Xbox Series sales were decent at best. Of course, once 2023 rolled in, we all know what happened with Series X/S sales.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

It's just shapes the character of certain platform. I dont mind any platform to have exclusives. If I want to play something on a platform i don't own it will buy it. It's definitely easier to enjoy gaming in a multiplatform environment and the publisher also has benefit of it. But 20 to 25 years ago when every platform including pc had a shit ton of exclusive was special. Maybe it's just a nostalgia thing tho.

so, you are taking about marketing. (point a) which is interesting. i would've guess most gamers think of exclusives based on point b.

So? They stopped having permanent exclusives so I dont see that it will have the same effect as it used be. People will learn that other platforms are fine for most games

so? only a very small fraction of games get exclusive/marketing deals... why?

you answered it:
It's just shapes the character of certain platform

and of course the full answer is way more involved and nuanced.

Would agree if they still had permanent exclusives.

only they have the data.

the only thing we have is the steam numbers. and is clear their games are not performing good at all on that platform

and then you could say: "its because they are not day and date"

as you point out:
if I want to play something on a platform i don't own it will buy it

there my friend, it's the value of exclusives.
and that is why your premise of exclusives not having value is not only objectively wrong, it's demonstrably false as well. (even if exclusivity has changed over the years)

 

[Fabieter]

only they have the data.

the only thing we have is the steam numbers. and is clear their games are not performing good at all on that platform

and then you could say: "its because they are not day and date"

as you point out:
if I want to play something on a platform i don't own it will buy it

there my friend, it's the value of exclusives.
and that is why your premise of exclusives not having value is not only objectively wrong, it's demonstrably false as well. (even if exclusivity has changed over the years)

My purchasing decisions aren't based solely on nostalgia. I also consider the value and benefits of what I'm buying. If I already own a PC and know that games will be available on it within 12 to 24 months, or even on launch day for some titles, it wouldn't make sense to buy a console. If I already owned the console, it would be different, but I wouldn't buy into a platform knowing the games will soon be available on another one I already have.

 

[yurinka]

"I don't understand why Sony continues with timed exclusives. It makes sense to finance a game and make it a permanent exclusive, but if you're going to start doing timed exclusives, you might as well stop doing exclusives altogether."

With the money of a 3rd party permanent exclusive they may get maybe 5 or 10 temporal console exclusives.

And the effect on marketing / pr / console sales / etc. may be pretty much the same, months after the initial release normally many people see late ports as 'old stuff' without hype.

Same goes with keeping the IP for the dev, it's cheaper for Sony to don't buy the IP and in most cases Sony won't want the IP anymore.

The dev also prefers to keep the IP for themselves and also to have a temporal console exclusive than a full exclusive because they potentiallly can get more money in the long run.

So to move from full 3rd party exclusives to temporal console exclusives is a win/win for both Sony and the dev.

Sony also releases a lot of temporal exclusives per year. Once one of them gets originally released, before the game gets released elsewhere, many other ones will have been released or announced to keep the attention and hype of the player.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

My purchasing decisions aren't based solely on nostalgia. I also consider the value and benefits of what I'm buying. If I already own a PC and know that games will be available on it within 12 to 24 months, or even on launch day for some titles, it wouldn't make sense to buy a console.

ding-ding-ding.

If I already owned the console, it would be different, but I wouldn't buy into a platform knowing the games will soon be available on another one I already have.

ding-ding-ding.

and remember that sony is not selling a console... its selling a market place.

the value lost from someone buying a PS game on steam instead of PS Store is actually insane. it's so insane that can make Playstation no financially viable.

now you can see where is the value of exclusives.

 

[BlackTron]

When the game isn't on Xbox anyway it's going to be hilarious.

 

[RickMasters]

Have been wondering what kind of business logic lets these types of deals seem attractive. Is the revenue from other platforms this bad compared to PS? What does Sony offer? I can't imagine a scenario where this makes sense for the developer unless they pay really well.

I think Sony does it to fill the void left by the lack of their own exclusives. Lucky for them even Xbox got a few games coming to PS.

 

[Fabieter]

With the money of a 3rd party permanent exclusive they may get maybe 5 or 10 temporal console exclusives.

And the effect on marketing / pr / console sales / etc. may be pretty much the same, months after the initial release normally many people see late ports as 'old stuff' without hype.

Same goes with keeping the IP for the dev, it's cheaper for Sony to don't buy the IP and in most cases Sony won't want the IP anymore.

The dev also prefers to keep the IP for themselves and also to have a temporal console exclusive than a full exclusive because they potentiallly can get more money in the long run.

So to move from full 3rd party exclusives to temporal console exclusives is a win/win for both Sony and the dev.

Sony also releases a lot of temporal exclusives per year. Once one of them gets originally released, before the game gets released elsewhere, many other ones will have been released or announced to keep the attention and hype of the player.

Okay let me rephrase it. Hows the player benefitting?

ding-ding-ding.

ding-ding-ding.

and remember that sony is not selling a console... its selling a market place.

the value lost from someone buying a PS game on steam instead of PS Store is actually insane. it's so insane that can make Playstation no financially viable.

now you can see where is the value of exclusives.

Never said there isn't. I said i don't see value in timed exclusives. We know every single Sony game first and third party exclusives is gonna be on different platforms going forward.

 

[yogaflame]

Maybe Sony saw that this game will be another Stellar Blade like success. Well I'm already happy with how good Stellar blade and it was a success for ps5. Maybe, Sony is finally realizing that games that are free from twisted woke agenda especially twisted gender ideology, made by Asian developers, have greater potential, talent, and it continues to grow.

 

[Astray]

This isn't about Xbox sales (they're negligible), it's about Sony wanting to publish the game, which means they'd take a cut from every copy sold on PS5/PC.

Also while the game looked good in that last trailer, I think this piece of news might bump it up on my radar next year. Sony clearly know their 3rd person games.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Never said there isn't. I said i don't see value in timed exclusives.

you said:

timed exclusives has no value.

you should have ended with "for me".

the fact of the matter is that exclusives(regardless of their nature) have indeed value.

this is why i mentioned Hogwarts Legacy which is not even exclusive but had a marketing deal and exclusive content; it sold Play Stations. (more people buying games/DLCs/MTXs on the PS store)

We know every single Sony game first and third party exclusives is gonna be on different platforms going forward.

and for you it means not buying a PS/nor buying them on the PS Store.

and that is the data Sony is going to have down the line...that is really the interesting aspect of all of this.

so far I would I say that their big AAA games are performing really bad on steam. I would agree that sony would need to publish one of those games day and date on PS and Steam based on the premise of:

"those gamers were not going to buy a PS either way".


unfortunately or fortunately (depending how you see it) we have the xbox debacle to understand the damage of not having meaningful exclusives (either first/second/third party).

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Timed exclusivity is a shitty practice unless they help in development.

 

[FlyyGOD]

Ok, you play that then and avoid everything Sony puts out in 2025.

Let us know how you get on.

What are they putting out?

 

[Fabieter]

you said:

you should have ended with "for me".

the fact of the matter is that exclusives(regardless of their nature) have indeed value.

this is why i mentioned Hogwarts Legacy which is not even exclusive but had a marketing deal and exclusive content; it sold Play Stations. (more people buying games/DLCs/MTXs on the PS store)


and for you it means not buying a PS/nor buying them on the PS Store.

and that is the data Sony is going to have down the line...that is really the interesting aspect of all of this.

so far I would I say that their big AAA games are performing really bad on steam. I would agree that sony would need to publish one of those games day and date on PS and Steam based on the premise of:

"those gamers were not going to buy a PS either way".


unfortunately or fortunately (depending how you see it) we have the xbox debacle to understand the damage of not having meaningful exclusives (either first/second/third party).

PC gamers, many of whom are former Xbox fans, will simply wait it out moving forward. Sony seems to want to have it all, but they underestimate the patience of PC players. By opening Pandora's box, they've set something in motion that can't be reversed.

 

[mckmas8808]

Okay let me rephrase it. Hows the player benefitting?




Never said there isn't. I said i don't see value in timed exclusives. We know every single Sony game first and third party exclusives is gonna be on different platforms going forward.

Ever hear of the term FOMO?

 

[Schnauzer]

I have a feeling that they would have made more money being a timed exclusive.

This is from a former BDO players perspective.

 

[Fabieter]

Ever hear of the term FOMO?

Would argue that fomo works best if customers think the ports are an uncertain which is redcioulous at this point.

So yes I dont see Sony benefitting alot and players don't benefit at all.

 

[Bojji]

Just released a GOTY a month ago?!

Concord?

Spoiler

I know you are talking about Astro

 

[mckmas8808]

Would argue that fomo works best if customers think the ports are an uncertain which is redcioulous at this point.

So yes I dont see Sony benefitting alot and players don't benefit at all.

Players do benefit if it means getting the timed exclusive means Sony sends in resources to help with development and marketing.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

PC gamers, many of whom are former Xbox fans,

that is another can of worms.

will simply wait it out moving forward. Sony seems to want to have it all, but they underestimate the patience of PC players. By opening Pandora's box, they've set something in motion that can't be reversed.

it absolutely can. the PC consumer doesn't give a shit about the Play Station brand. The PC consumer is less likely to buy games at full price, there is the issue with piracy as well.

but I would say something, if someone is willing or happens to be familiar with PC "quirks and features" PC will offer more gaming possibilities and to me this is really the Pandora's box.

 

[GHG]

What are they putting out?

Nothing.

 

[Fabieter]

Players do benefit if it means getting the timed exclusive means Sony sends in resources to help with development and marketing.

For a game they would have gotten anyway? What's the benefit tho?

that is another can of worms.

it absolutely can. the PC consumer doesn't give a shit about the Play Station brand. The PC consumer is less likely to buy games at full price, there is the issue with piracy as well.

but I would say something, if someone is willing or happens to be familiar with PC "quirks and features" PC will offer more gaming possibilities and to me this is really the Pandora's box.

No they slowly changed perception that people can wait for their games and everything is in the cards.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

No they slowly changed perception that people can wait for their games and everything is in the cards.

Numbers don't reflect that

 

[{insert code here}]

Looks nice! Korean devs coming thru again! These guys were confident enough in their game to turn down a moneyhat. Cannot wait to see the finished product .

 

[Freeman76]

Good lads!

 

[Freeman76]

I have 20 or so level 61 characters, i never grind. I dont even play that often. Its one of the best most realized open worlds, such great world building and environments

Its definitely my favourite console MMO, really addictive and the lifeskills are a game in themselves!

 

[Fabieter]

Numbers don't reflect that

How would you count loosing mind share all over the place?

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

How would you count loosing mind share all over the place?

we are not taking about mind share.

you expressly talk about the patience of the PC player, their willing to wait.

well... they have been wating for those AAA Sony games...and the steam numbers don't show that:

a) they are playing them on PS
b) they don't even give shit about them.

 

[DarkstarRising13]

Looks nice! Korean devs coming thru again! These guys were confident enough in their game to turn down a moneyhat. Cannot wait to see the finished product .

No need to. Because of this video alone, the developers are going to have to delay the Series S/X because of the S's limited specs.