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South Korean Paper Reports China Has Deployed 150,000 Troops To North Korea Border
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Vilix
Unconfirmed Member
If you go into YouTube look up North Korea documentary, and watch the videos that come up, you might change your mind.
The North has conducts exercises constantly and has attacked the south directly, like the shelling of Yeonpyeong. As for the US tearing up treaties, North Korea has repeatedly violated them by, among other things, refusing access to inspectors and conducting nuclear tests. They had no interest in being transparent:
http://www.economist.com/node/12791910
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/agreedframework
You can't normalize relations with the North Korea - their entire regime rests on their hatred of the west/SK/everyone else. It's the living embodiment of "We have always been at war with Eurasia". They also have no interest in disarmament as they know they can hang with the big boys when they acquire ICBMs.
Laieon
Member
I've been living about 30 minutes south of Seoul for the past 3 years. Seems like every year there's a big scare that gets attention internationally, but here everyone continues like nothing is happening, just a regular day as usual and they always end up being right. Hell, I was feeling the same even just a few days ago.
This time nobody is freaking out and it is just a normal day, but something feels different. Hope I'm wrong.
This time nobody is freaking out and it is just a normal day, but something feels different. Hope I'm wrong.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
The thing is that eventually it will turn out to be "something", because NK is getting closer and closer to being able to launch a nuke that could hit the US mainland.
That's the logic Trump is being presented with: that a first strike on NK might actually be seen as increasingly rational, given the alternative of doing nothing and waiting until it's too late. I think that's genuinely frightening, especially considering that Mr. America First might indeed see stability in Korea as less important than warding off any threat to the USA.
Of course it could be just the yearly "NK and the West posture" nonsense. I've watched a million of these before so I know the "here we go again..." feeling.... but like so many things in the world over the last year, circumstances are rapidly evolving.
I also want to say that the least reliable barometer of this being a real threat is whether South Koreans are freaking out or not. Every once and awhile a Korean will say "the international media is freaking out about this, but no one in SK is alarmed!" (implying that Koreans would know better). Well, S Koreans have been used to thinking of NK as "no big deal" as a coping mechanism for decades. The lack of alarm in the populace means nothing really. It's a habitual response to handwave away NK.
SiteSeer
Member
china invades from the north. waits for nk to turn their guns around and fire on the invaders. a back room deal with us/sk sees usaf/usn air raid on nk guns and removes nk retaliatory capability on sk/jp. nk military collapses. china occupies nk to prevent us/sk take over, but sk/jp safe from mad man dictator. ongoing negotiations for reunification, but china rejects a us ally on its border, possible deal to withdraw us bases in sk to jp or deactivate leading to complete reunification.
kame-sennin
Member
They'll never cross it.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
But neither will NK refugees.
Man, wasn't expecting to see a North Korea defence force of all things.
MadJackChurchill
Banned
Not to toot my own horn, but I've been reading about NK for years and look for more sources than the clickbait headlines that are printed every few weeks by all the tabloids.
Please explain why the facts I've presented are incorrect instead of strawmanning me as a worthless tankie.
EDIT: I know a few tankies that genuinely see the Kim family line as the "rightful heirs of the Korean peninsula", they use their full titles and everything. It's a mixture of Soviet-era and East Asian fetishising that is incredibly creepy and historically revisionist. However, it's not revisionist to have some nuance in one's approach, and not generalising 24 million people as "brainwashed fanatics with an inbred leader". Just FYI.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Speaking of that...
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-northkorea-coal-exclusive-idUSKBN17D0D8
Exclusive: North Korean ships head home after China orders coal returned
Are you telling me half life 3 is coming out?
This is looking pretty positive. NK may just be pressured enough to change their behaviour if their only ally imposes sanctions.
vonStirlitz
Unconfirmed Member
I find this fascinating. It is still unclear to me whether this is a concerted signalling/posturing move against NK or real preparatory movements from both sides.
The actual situation is all linked to the timing. If you look at it, the US strafed Syria just after Xi had landed in the US and was dining with Trump. That strike wasn't just a stand down notice to Assad, or a press deflection move from Trump, or a warning to the NK fat boy, but was a wake up call to the PRC. Not only was it a huge protocol issue, but Xi must have been taken off guard and/or angry. Plus it establishes US seriousness about acting and unpredictability at a time when discussing NK. It was a posturing move and designed to fluster the traditionally cautious and strategic PRC.
I reckon it either led to the PRC rushing troops North in preparation, or it brought Xi to the negotiating table. Either the PRC have a reasonable expectation of US action, or they are in on the game and it is designed (along with the US carrier movements) to spook NK and get them in line.
Aside from the timing of the Syria strike and Xi/Trump meeting, the timing of troop movements is interesting. By some accounts, the PRC were redeploying on the 7th whereas the US fleet only moved from Singapore on the 9th. That would suggest the PRC are either aiming to act first, acting in expectation of US action and redeploying early (assuming Trump took a convincing hardline in his chat with Xi) or it is concerted.
Oh yeah. PRC head for Korean affairs flew into Seoul for unexpected talks on Monday and Trump called the SK Prem last night.
Shit going down.
I have no idea. Just throwing some thoughts out there. All this sudden activity is very interesting though.
The actual situation is all linked to the timing. If you look at it, the US strafed Syria just after Xi had landed in the US and was dining with Trump. That strike wasn't just a stand down notice to Assad, or a press deflection move from Trump, or a warning to the NK fat boy, but was a wake up call to the PRC. Not only was it a huge protocol issue, but Xi must have been taken off guard and/or angry. Plus it establishes US seriousness about acting and unpredictability at a time when discussing NK. It was a posturing move and designed to fluster the traditionally cautious and strategic PRC.
I reckon it either led to the PRC rushing troops North in preparation, or it brought Xi to the negotiating table. Either the PRC have a reasonable expectation of US action, or they are in on the game and it is designed (along with the US carrier movements) to spook NK and get them in line.
Aside from the timing of the Syria strike and Xi/Trump meeting, the timing of troop movements is interesting. By some accounts, the PRC were redeploying on the 7th whereas the US fleet only moved from Singapore on the 9th. That would suggest the PRC are either aiming to act first, acting in expectation of US action and redeploying early (assuming Trump took a convincing hardline in his chat with Xi) or it is concerted.
Oh yeah. PRC head for Korean affairs flew into Seoul for unexpected talks on Monday and Trump called the SK Prem last night.
Shit going down.
I have no idea. Just throwing some thoughts out there. All this sudden activity is very interesting though.
Herr Schwarz
Banned
Can't we just fly some kind of optical camouflaged drone through Kim Jong Uns head?
You gottah chop the head of the snake off not cut the tail.
You gottah chop the head of the snake off not cut the tail.
8-Bit Sunset
Banned
SpiceMelange
Member
Yeah no, a general would just take his place. You'd need to deal with the whole party and the brainwashing culture (yes I'm aware the idolization of the party leader is waning).
vonStirlitz
Unconfirmed Member
Half Life 3? Don't think so.
vonStirlitz
Unconfirmed Member
It would never be with a nuke. Political fallout would be bad. Terrible precedent.
I don't think it's a credible threat. Carrier strike group probably only has about 400 missiles (I am happy to be corrected). Only useful for a decapitation. You would need more ordinance to neutralise multiple sites and that fuckton of artillery on the border. I reckon it's just posturing.
So give or take a day or so the Carrier group arrives in time for the big NK celebration. Nice timing. Think the US shoots down one of the missiles that NK will undoubtedly fire off as a warning? There's like 3 Aegis ships in that group. Group is too small for any major attack or anything.
vonStirlitz
Unconfirmed Member
I did wonder if they were thinking of that. Ballsy and high risk. Looks bad if it doesn't work. Unpredictable outcome. But if it does work it gives a real reason for THAAD to be deployed in SK. Particularly as the Koreans getting a lot of PRC economic heat to drop it.
AlimNassor
Banned
Actually it sounds good. We need China as an ally, not an enemy. Trump is crudely saying China can either help us deal with Nkorea or they can sit back and watch. But, a unified Korea is a better deal for them.
It doesn't sound good because it sounds like Trump has twitchy trigger finger.
If China puts actual pressure on the NK, that sounds good. But the way Trump phrases it... it doesn't.
Besides, Trump sounds like an idiot in the latter tweet. Pretty sure everyone is aware that better relations lead to better deals, doesn't need saying out loud.
That sounds like a tremendous strategy
/s
SuperEpicMan
Banned
I have been worried about his plans for North Korea ever since this part of his press conference.
Link to the NK section.
Link to the NK section.
GasProblem
Member
Wonder how Trump thinks he's going to solve the problem. Bomb a couple of runways?
The difference is North Korea isn't the only player being run by a madman anymore.
vonStirlitz
Unconfirmed Member
Is he really saying take out Kim and you can buy our sausages? Man...
Captain Tuttle
Member
Yeah, China stopped coal imports from North Korea a couple of months ago. Sounds like China is getting fed up with the Kims
Like Bush solved Iraq. Or LBJ solved Vietnam. But this time it will go great!
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
China spilled a lot of blood for a buffer state from Western allies. They will do so keep it that way.
Big problem is N. Korean masses, no one wants to take on the millions of starving and essentially brainwashed people. Also a country with very little infrastructure that will need immediate modernization.
SomedayTheFire
Member
this cannot be real. it just cannot.
UnluckyKate
Member
My little brother lives in Seoul.
Please don't upset NK I don't want them to drop artillery barrage of VX on Seoul...
Please don't upset NK I don't want them to drop artillery barrage of VX on Seoul...
Master Yoshi
Member
That first tweet.. is he going full carny and starting a U.S.A. chant?
CadetMahoney
Member
Yeah, this is a pretty big deal. On some level it's interesting that the Chinese seem more amenable to dealing with Trump than they did with Obama.
Obviously, they're sick of Un's actions but that's been the case for a while. Perhaps the missile strike sent a firm signal and coupled with the Xi talks have led to increased cooperation. The fact that China is going to replace the shortfall with American coal is a huge short term win for Trump.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
Member
Aren't all of N. Korea's defenses pointed at S. Korea? I would imagine they would be pretty exposed if China invaded them from the other boarder.
Camp Freddie
Member
I imagine a White House staffer wrestling the keyboard away from Trump before he could add a "Fuck Yeah!" to the end of that first tweet.
Master Yoshi
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BRE
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resident Trump's favorite wrestler is confirmed to be Rusev, who he believes is treated very unfairly by the WWE universe. And that Lana, he gives her a 10. Would grab without consent. Because he's the President, and you're not.
He even retweeted something from fox nation about someone in Syria naming their son Donald.
We are living in the twilight zone.
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