Sp0ng putting it on the line: Says DS=PDA and GBA 2=PSP like machine at E3

I've been suspecting something like this since DS and Revolution announcements. DS may be a stopgap solution before the release of GBE/REV, but I believe that Nintendo fully intends on supporting it after the launch of both of those. I suspect that Nintendo will make a cross-platform online network, with Revolution as the hub. I also think that GBE will be the connectivity and backwards compatability aspect of Revolution. If it plays GC disks, that means it has GC controller functionality. A wireless fully functional controller with an lcd screen. I expect that you can charge the unit and download games from the Revolution as well. I'm imagining instore koisks, where you can insert a card or wirelessly download new Revolution/GBE/DS demos and games. DS would go on to become the every day away from home handheld, with a wide variety of games and functionality programs. GBE would be the more hardcore traditional handheld, with a focus on connectivity, backwards compatibility, and as the mobile version of Revolutions downloadable games. Revolution will be the hub of Nintendo's online plan, perhaps a media center with PC functionality or connectivity, as well as the next gen console. I can't see Revolution as anything else.
 
Like a car dealership, Nintendo needs to come out with a plan were you can lease their handhelds and get trade-in value towards each year's new model.
 
captainbiotch said:
I've been suspecting something like this since DS and Revolution announcements. DS may be a stopgap solution before the release of GBE/REV, but I believe that Nintendo fully intends on supporting it after the launch of both of those. I suspect that Nintendo will make a cross-platform online network, with Revolution as the hub. I also think that GBE will be the connectivity and backwards compatability aspect of Revolution. If it plays GC disks, that means it has GC controller functionality. A wireless fully functional controller with an lcd screen. I expect that you can charge the unit and download games from the Revolution as well. I'm imagining instore koisks, where you can insert a card or wirelessly download new Revolution/GBE/DS demos and games. DS would go on to become the every day away from home handheld, with a wide variety of games and functionality programs. GBE would be the more hardcore traditional handheld, with a focus on connectivity, backwards compatibility, and as the mobile version of Revolutions downloadable games. Revolution will be the hub of Nintendo's online plan, perhaps a media center with PC functionality or connectivity, as well as the next gen console. I can't see Revolution as anything else.
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Speevy said:
People are already accepting this as fact. I think it would be funny if no new handhelds were announced at E3.
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Yeah, a $99 GC caliber portable doesn't exactly fit into Nintendo's idea of making a profit off of portable hardware.
 
If the new Gameboy plays Gamecube disks than this might not be such a bad idea.
After all it would launch with a huge library of games and have among other things a new realistic Zelda and Mario 128 at launch.
And the DS would have its N64 ports.

If Nintendo released a handheld which played Gamecube disks I'd undoubtedly buy one.
 
if nintendo are that far along in the development of a pspesque handheld, why did they release the ds at all? oh well. i'm all for it if it pulls mario and advance wars and castlevania away from the ds. and certainly they'd deserve credit for recognizing so early that the ds is a conceptual and creative failure.

a new handheld this soon certainly wouldn't ingratiate them with gamers and developers who fell for the ds, though. i'd call nintendo the new sega, but this would be a level of disingenuousness and unreliability sega never quite attained.
 
The millions of people who buy the Gameboy every year aren't quite as pissy as your average message board. I think that at the right price with the right games they would buy the GBE like mad.
 
well, there's another thing: can nintendo beat the psp at "the right price?" considering how much money sony is purportedly losing on psp? i assume it's within their means to put together something that approximates or trumps the psp, but to do so would be to abandon the game boy business model in favor of something untested and considerably riskier. and of course another sub-psp handheld would just be pathetic.
 
And Namco's Mario Kart helping finially launch a Nintendo online network would have all the Nintendophiles lining up to buy a Game Jesus... despite what they may claim now.

Heck, I'd even verture to say if this was unveiled at their E3 conference and Namco's Mario Kart was demo'd online, people would begin hearing thuds... only to realize a couple of the fanatics had fainted and crashed to the floor.
 
drohne said:
and certainly they'd deserve credit for recognizing so early that the ds is a conceptual and creative failure.
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Is it? Cause I certainly don't think so.... Neither do the millions of DS owners.. Besides, it's not confirmed, this is probably fake.. But then again, you never know.. I just get sick and tired of people spelling gloom and doom about a company when they don't even know what the hell that company is really thinking. We get facts, fine, we get possible untrue stories, treat that as such.

Whatever thoughts Nintendo has, whatever tricks they still got left, all will be unveiled at the next E3 or not. Now I'm all for speculating, But sometimes things get a little bit on the ludicrous side. The DS is hardly a creative failure, and the concept is good too. It's just that not everyone fully capitalizes on the features the machine has...
 
I think Nintendo was hoping the DS would knock out the PSP and then they could hold off on the Game Boy Next for a while.

But that really hasn't been the case, not in Japan, and probably won't be once the PSP launches in North America.

I can't see Nintendo waiting past March 2006 in Japan to launch the Game Boy Next. It would give the PSP too large of a headstart ... even that much of a headstart might be too much.

If they unveil GB Next at E3 it might take the luster off some of those PSP sales, especailly if the system is more powerful.

I think GB Next will be based on the GameCube chipset, but it won't use discs. So the games will be released on a card-based format (ala DS) instead. But they could quickly port over titles like Zelda, Resident Evil 4, Madden NFL, Smash Bros. 3, or Mario Kart Arcade GP.
 
You can put drohne and drinky crow on your ignore list, but then Nintendo threads become illegible because they post in them so much. Good to see the DS haters and owners of chunked Gamecubes enjoying themselves once more o_O

You can choose to read their posts and just ignore them, but then who's left to disagree with their baselessly analytical, and unashamedly bias arrogance?

You guys are the yin to Nintendo-fan yang though I guess. Opposing forces that can't exist without one another, destined to make Nintendo threads into one headache after another.

This thread is going in circles. I can't wait to see if its true or not... should widen the conflict :D
 
drohne said:
if nintendo are that far along in the development of a pspesque handheld, why did they release the ds at all? oh well. i'm all for it if it pulls mario and advance wars and castlevania away from the ds. and certainly they'd deserve credit for recognizing so early that the ds is a conceptual and creative failure.

a new handheld this soon certainly wouldn't ingratiate them with gamers and developers who fell for the ds, though. i'd call nintendo the new sega, but this would be a level of disingenuousness and unreliability sega never quite attained.
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I'm willing to bet SEGA would have reached and probably would have surpassed such retarded levels had it had the amount of reserves Nindoody has.

Thats right I said Nindoody.


Nindoody! Nindoody! Nindoody!
 
norinrad21 said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol

same here
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Well, I didn't mean it to come off quite as harsh as it did. What I meant to say was I think he's a pretty sharp guy, but he's really getting on the PSP's case when it's been doing well.
 
Just to add a little more fuel to the fire... This is what Iwata had to say about the DS and the way he envisages it's future. PS: Shamelessly ripped off of Gamespot...

"In a time when people are saying to themselves, 'We aren't playing [many] video games, compared to the old days,' I'm always thinking and working on ways to increase the population of gamers. And that's also the reason behind the development of the DS," Iwata wrote. "In order to get those [nongamers] to play games, we need to make video games that...relate to those people. If we only keep making games that fit in existing categories, like action games, racing games, role-playing games, sports games, adventure games, strategy games, and puzzle games, people won't turn around to look, because they already feel that those kinds of games have nothing to do with them.
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The rest can be found here .

Seems interesting enough I'd say...
 
radioheadrule83 said:
You can put drohne and drinky crow on your ignore list, but then Nintendo threads become illegible because they post in them so much. Good to see the DS haters and owners of chunked Gamecubes enjoying themselves once more o_O

You can choose to read their posts and just ignore them, but then who's left to disagree with their baseless analytical, and unashamedly bias arrogance?

You guys are the yin to Nintendo-fan yang though I guess. Opposing forces that can't exist without one another, destined to make Nintendo threads into one headache after another.

This thread is going in circles. I can't wait to see if its true or not... should widen the conflict :D
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Drinky Crow's a mod... so you actually can't.
 
Enigma said:
Drinky Crow's a mod... so you actually can't.
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me = drinky crowned then :lol

I'd never try and block anyone here anyway. Its part of the fun. I just don't know why he revels in his apocalyptic vision of Nintendo so much I guess.
 
Just about the only way that Nintendo can pull this one off is by releasing a breakthrough product. I said this a couple of months ago, but, "A ~GC quality GBA2 that uses relatively low capacity cartridges, has that Nintendo plasticky aesthetic, and doesn't offer any multimedia features will not make the grade."

Otherwise, they can look forward to a rapid loss of half of their marketshare.
 
I think the DS line will eventually become a budget line (the GBA SP will be phased out) aimed at getting more of those non-gamers.

$150 is too expensive for non-gamers though, it would have to go down to $99 (and lower) eventually, but I think Nintendo will continue to support it. It already has a reasonable sized userbase.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
me = drinky crowned then :lol

I'd never try and block anyone here anyway. Its part of the fun. I just don't know why he revels in his apocalyptic vision of Nintendo so much I guess.
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And in the Brother in Arms thread, MAF revealed he only eats 1 meal a day. So it's my theory it's hunger that makes him so cranky :)
 
mashoutposse said:
Just about the only way that Nintendo can pull this one off is by releasing a breakthrough product. I said this a couple of months ago, but, "A ~GC quality GBA2 that uses relatively low capacity cartridges, has that Nintendo plasticky aesthetic, and doesn't offer any multimedia features will not make the grade."

Otherwise, they can look forward to a rapid loss of half of their marketshare.
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I'm not so sure about the prediction, but I agree I want the same thing.

Its amazing how much more pleasing the PSP materials make it.
 
If Nintendo included an analogue stick and bumped the power of the DS just a bit more (closer to the Dreamcast) we wouldn't need a GBA 2 yet nor would we need a third pilar.
 
Game Boy Next

- GCN chipset
- High capacity card format
- Real analog control
- High-end LCD display
- High-end plastic casing
- WiFi Network
- MP3/MP4 support (SD Card)

That's basically what everyone wants. I do wonder if they'll leave the touchscreen for the DS though.

If they make a deal with Apple to use i-Tunes and let Apple make a HDD-based i-Pod with Game Boy tech built in ... then it would really be on.

I'd love to see Capcom re-use the Resident Evil 4 engine, but maybe remake Resident Evil 2 or a new game with old-school zombies in it for GBN.
 
border said:
Doesn't really matter, since saying "Nintendo" is essentially saying "Game Boy" for most people.

So let's get this straight then....if Nintendo launched a new console and the marketing said REVOLUTION in huge gigantic letters, with only a tiny Nintendo logo at the bottom of the page/screen (or maybe with no Nintendo logo at all).....then you would still be expecting GameCube 2 to come out?
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No, I explicitly stated that my expections would depend entirely on the functions of the device.

border said:
Nintendo has always followed a generational setup. When have they tried to seriously run with multiple models (handheld or console)? I'm talking about seriously different hardware configurations, not different colors or form factors. If the story is true, they will be trying to run at least 2 different handheld product lines simultaneously. Why should people have "expected" them to do something that no one else ever has?
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They've had generations with more than one line. A home console, and then a handheld gaming unit. They've largely stuck with just two product lines, although if you want to get technical, the Virtual Boy counted as a third. The DS is once again Nintendo doing three things at once.
 
Heliocentric said:
If the new Gameboy plays Gamecube disks than this might not be such a bad idea.
After all it would launch with a huge library of games and have among other things a new realistic Zelda and Mario 128 at launch.
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So.. the plan is to create basically the same hardware as the PSP, and then sell it by pitting the gamecube backlog of software up against the PS2's? I know Nintendo has a big advantage just having the GAMEBOY name, but that seems a bit risky if true.

I don't think there is a huge chance of Nintendo "underpricing" Sony. Super Mario Sunshine for $40? I guess..
 
soundwave05 said:
Game Boy Next

- GCN chipset
- GCN compatability
- Real analog control
- High-end LCD display
- High-end plastic casing
- WiFi Network
- MP3/MP4 support (SD Card)
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Fixed. That's what people want....games! And lets face it, if Nintendo puts a new format into the next GB which one do you honestly think is going to get the most third party support... the GBA2 or the PSP? The answer is the PSP. It will be like PSX vs N64 and PS2 vs GCN all over again. Third parties already prefer Sony to Nintendo. There's no ifs ands or buts about it. And now with PSP making inroads in Japan third parites are growing more and more confident about backing Sony. The only way Nintendo can combat this is to build its next-gen handheld marketshare on the back of the Gamecube's software library and install base. With hardware sales come third party support and right now Nintendo needs to cram every feature it can into the next Gameboy if they want to quickly build up its install base and put the PSP out to pasture before things really start to get ugly for them.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
I'm not so sure about the prediction, but I agree I want the same thing.

Its amazing how much more pleasing the PSP materials make it.
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For context, I also said, "Going forward, I think that less-than-cutting-edge hardware will be harder to accept. And that's "cutting edge" in all aspects -- graphics, sound, body design, non-gaming multimedia features. If the GBA2 hits on all of these, Sony needs to be very, very worried."

I think that's a fair assessment of the situation.

SCE really did what they had to do with PSP... Nintendo's going to have to at the very least match the effort IMO.
 
I think in a year's time, the Nintendo lay-out will be somewhat like this

Revolution - home console ($250-$300); aimed initially at older consumers

Game Boy Next - GCN-level portable ($150-$200)

Nintendo DS - Budget portable with emphasis on beginner/casual players ($99)

Maybe the GBA chipset might be given a second lease on life if Nintendo opts to license it out to various vendors (ala cell phone/MP3 manufacturers).
 
soundwave05 said:
I think in a year's time, the Nintendo lay-out will be somewhat like this

Revolution - home console ($250-$300); aimed initially at older consumers

Game Boy Next - GCN-level portable ($150-$200)

Nintendo DS - Budget portable with emphasis on beginner/casual players ($99)

Maybe the GBA chipset might be given a second lease on life if Nintendo opts to license it out to various vendors (ala cell phone/MP3 manufacturers).
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This kind of setup has been going through my mind since I read that Iwata thing.. Only 10 minutes ago! :p. I would definately agree with this.
 
OG_Original Gamer said:
So I have a ?, if true when do you expect Nintendo to phase out the GBA, the DS is GBA compatible ?
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Seems like it's already phased out. Does it have any big releases soon?
 
radioheadrule, either you can condescend to me or you can use the noun "bias" as an adjective (i've missed that particular message board solecism, incidentally...it used to be so prevalent). you can't plausibly do both. and yes, the ignore feature needs work.
 
^^ hi! :D I tend not to make spelling/grammar mistakes intentionally. Don't expect that just because you have a good vocabulary that I'll boot up word, copy, paste and spell check. I can't help but wonder: is there really any other way to respond to the well-tried predictions of doom, or people amused in getting a rise out of others, who neither believe their diatribe nor care for it?

I apologise, I'm not one for personal attacks, and I have nothing against you. I just think you guys can be a bit self righteous sometimes. Something I've clearly let myself do in equal measure here.

border said:
Seems like it's already phased out. Does it have any big releases soon?
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domestic releases of Yoshis Universal Gravitation, Wario Ware Twisted, Rayman Hoodlums Revenge, Kingdom Hearts... lots of liscenced stuff like Madagascar, Revenge of the Sith, Robots, Batman Begins, Winnie the pooh... the usual.

I wouldn't say its fully phased out, but it is slowing.
 
Am I the only one that really likes the DS and believes it has huge potential given the creativity of the developers? I mean, people tend to write off the dual screen and touchpad as being gimmicks, but from what we've seen in a limited time - it works out pretty well.

Once we start getting releases that haven't been rushed and thrown together, I believe the DS will actually stand out as something alot more than just a 'stopgap' if this rumor pans out as being true.

I dunno, I'm just not interested in a portable Gamecube, just as I'm not interested in a portable PS2 (PSP.) I want new games and a new way to play them that is an alternative to home-based machines. I thought Nintendo were all about games, so what is up with this PDA crap? Just can't see this story being credible...
 
I too think the touchscreen has real potential in a portable and could be great in many genres (RPGs, strategy games, etc.).

Maybe Game Boy Next will have a touchscreen also, but dump the dual screen thing.
 
I don't know if Fire Emblem can be considered a "big" title. It'll sell 250,000 copies easily, but that's the kind of "big" number for a game that only has hardcore gamer appeal. No Fire Emblem game has yet to hit platinum...
 
I thought Nintendo were all about games, so what is up with this PDA crap? Just can't see this story being credible...
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PDA crap? I'm certain you haven't been paying attention at the unveiling of the DS.

AniHawk said:
Nobody loves Fire Emblem.
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Still need to finish the first one... :(
 
Pellham said:
I don't know if Fire Emblem can be considered a "big" title. It'll sell 250,000 copies easily, but that's the kind of "big" number for a game that only has hardcore gamer appeal. No Fire Emblem game has yet to hit platinum...
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With the exclusion of Pokemon Emerald, I think it'll do better than any other upcoming GBA release. Other than that, there's Mother 3 (which is a bit of a wildcard). It's supposed to still be in development for the system, but I think we might see it for the first time in a long time at E3, but for the DS.

There was a new F-Zero game announced for the GBA a while back as well. The former Handheld Emperor can probably list these better than I can.
 
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