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[brandonh83]

If you say so, man. Even though Spider-Man 3 stumbles as a whole where it's predecessors succeeded, there's still a lot to like in the film.

I liked Chris Young's soundtrack and a bit of the action. I wouldn't call that a lot to like. =p

The plot was horrible and the emotional stings were awkward and even atrocious. That forced break-up scene on the bridge in the park for example was just garbage and the death scene at the end was horribly acted by everyone but Franco, who seemed to be the only person that gave a shit.

 

[ZeroCDR]

I also remember the wonderful addition of Harry’s butler Bernard, whose sudden existence is to tell Harry at the right moment that Norman’s wounds were self-inflicted.

The whole point of the way Norman died is that it would look like murder to anyone who wasn’t there, Harry believes this and the audience should assume medical examiners told him the same. Yet, Bernard the wonder butler somehow figured out the truth, and he decides keeps that information to himself for years because reasons.

 

[Fezan]

Spider Man 3 is bad but its very enjoyable. and tough cgi was very dodgy i still enjoyed the action.
But people are drinking some wired shit if they are thinking it was better than ASM. ASM is by the number and origin did hurt the movie a lot but it was very ok movie and finally we can see what spider moves like.

Over all i like both Riamis SM and TASM take on spidey and am pretty hyped for TASM2. And i would rank them above many marvel movies

One thing that always bugged me was CGI. Sony animation studio did a very good job with spider man 2. The tower scene with doc oc still looks great but spider man 3 and TASM had very dodgi cgi scenes. Like the put a lot of effort into lizard if you see behind the scenes but it looked very wiered and animated movies like

 

[thehypocrite]

No. You're wrong. This movie is a gigantic turd of the same stature of that ridiculous sandman in the final third.

 

[Blader]

I also remember the wonderful addition of Harry’s butler Bernard, whose sudden existence is to tell Harry at the right moment that Norman’s wounds were self-inflicted.

He was in all three movies. Same character, same actor.

also, medical examiners don't know that Norman is the Green Goblin; Bernard does (hard to miss, consider the way he would shriek and loudly talk to himself around the mansion :lol). From anyone else's perspective, Norman was just impaled or something. Bernard, as he says in the movie, knows that the wounds are from the glider. Though I guess that doesn't rule out the possibility of Pete just stabbing Norman with his own glider...

 

[Mac the KNife]

I liked Chris Young's soundtrack and a bit of the action. I wouldn't call that a lot to like. =p

The plot was horrible and the emotional stings were awkward and even atrocious. That forced break-up scene on the bridge in the park for example was just garbage and the death scene at the end was horribly acted by everyone but Franco, who seemed to be the only person that gave a shit.

Yeah, there were a lot of awkward scenes in the film. There was just too much going on. Having Harry break Peter & MJ up, when they were well on their way to breaking up anyway, was stupid. I guess he just wanted to put his face on it, because we really needed another villain running around.

I liked some of the themes, though. Peter Parker is the perennial loser so the film addresses the dangers of the opposite, becoming popular. Spider-Man's rising popularity has Peter acting like a jerk to MJ, whose star is falling. The addition of the symbiote & Eddie (a more popular version of Parker) exacerbate this further.

I'm going to have to re-watch the trilogy and ASM soon.

 

[brandonh83]

Yeah, there were a lot of awkward scenes in the film. There was just too much going on. Having Harry break Peter & MJ up, when they were well on their way to breaking up anyway, was stupid. I guess he just wanted to put his face on it, because we really needed another villain running around.

I liked some of the themes, though. Peter Parker is the perennial loser so the film addresses the dangers of the opposite, becoming popular. Spider-Man's rising popularity has Peter acting like a jerk to MJ, whose star is falling. The addition of the symbiote & Eddie (a more popular version of Parker) exacerbate this further.

My biggest problem with the story was how almost every single situation was super nonsensical and could have been easily resolved. So Harry threatens Mary Jane, telling him he'll kill Peter if she doesn't break up with him (which is some real immature shit btw). Why couldn't Mary Jane have simply told Peter in secret that she was being forced to do it and didn't really feel that way? Maybe over the phone or she could have given him a hint or something during the breakup (as Harry was watching from afar). Instead she went along with it like a damn high schooler, it broke Peter's heart and ripped him all to shit, which led to bigger problems.

On Peter's end, he did a lot of jackass things but he was being motivated primarily by the symbiote. This could have also been directly explained to the characters that it had an effect on in his relationship like Mary Jane and Gwen, but doesn't for the sake of drama and theatrics. It's all incredibly stupid, forced, and manufactured. Nothing about the character arcs or drama felt genuine because of mechanical plot devices fueling the majority of the decision making. It was like watching a bunch of fucking morons getting mad at each other. They literally acted like children through the whole thing, especially Harry who conveniently gets brief amnesia because bad writing.

 

[moltonasty]

I was SOO hyped for this movie. Finally, Venom on screen. A sequel to the amazing Spider-Man 2. Raimi returning. What could go wrong?

A lot, apparently.

Venom got almost no screen time. The story and tone was all over the place. The retcons were really annoying and nonsensical. Terrible acting. Too many villains. Overall just a terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE movie. I really can't comprehend how someone can justify all the things wrong with it.

On a positive note, the music and visuals were pretty good.

 

[Karsticles]

Honestly, I could hardly follow the film. It seemed to bounce in all directions. Relationships didn't progress organically, the existence of Sandman seemed purposeless...the film just was not coherent. I don't understand how anyone can enjoy it. I was frustrated by its conclusion.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

I was SOO hyped for this movie. Finally, Venom on screen. A sequel to the amazing Spider-Man 2. Raimi returning. What could go wrong?

A lot, apparently.

Venom got almost no screen time. The story and tone was all over the place. The retcons were really annoying and nonsensical. Terrible acting. Too many villains. Overall just a terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE movie. I really can't comprehend how someone can justify all the things wrong with it.

On a positive note, the music and visuals were pretty good.

Reportedly Sony forced Raimi to put Venom in. But fuck, wouldn't you? You go from GREEN GOBLIN to DOC OCK, two of Spidey's biggest villains, and follow up with... a sympathetic Sandman and NuGoblin on a skateboard?

 

[brandonh83]

Reportedly Sony forced Raimi to put Venom in. But fuck, wouldn't you? You go from GREEN GOBLIN to DOC OCK, two of Spidey's biggest villains, and follow up with... a sympathetic Sandman and NuGoblin on a skateboard?

Just Sandman would have been fine, but I don't mind multiple villains, only when they're awfully handled, like Venom. I don't even mean like... the character story, I just mean how stupid it was. People tend to not like multiple villains because they think it's hard to flesh them all out (and it is) but with comics there's usually a lot of villains around so I don't mind it. I do mind it though, like I said, when everything about them is piss poor. Venom shouldn't have been in the film, but if he were at least awesome I wouldn't have cared.

 

[Haloid1177]

But Garfield's an excellent Spider-Man. The franchise isn't titled The Depressing Escapades of Peter Parker.

And I don't disagree with this. He definitely makes a better Spider-Man, but the trade off was, to me, a really bad Peter, just because of how confident and cocky he was. Peter was always shy, always dealt with bullies. He never went out and embarrassed them by dunking on them (which was a stupid idea by itself). Tobey had the fight in the first one but it was just him defending himself, which made sense to me.

I just feel the trade off between Parker and Spidey was not as serious in Raimi's as they were in ASM. But it seems pretty split, so it's obvious there isn't a right answer.

 

[brandonh83]

He never went out and embarrassed them by dunking on them (which was a stupid idea by itself). Tobey had the fight in the first one but it was just him defending himself, which made sense to me.

I dunno I would have probably did the same thing. Flash is an asshole. If he treated me that way throughout school and suddenly I could get back at him I would. It's not like he hurt him, just showed him up.

It was harmless and I didn't think it was out of character at all. It didn't make Peter a jerk, but it must have felt good to be able to do something like that for once. It's pretty in-line with Peter's typical character arc of learning that his powers are great but that he shouldn't use them against people. He's flawed, that's the point.

Did people seriously forget what high school was like? Unpopular people fantasize about getting a bit of the spotlight all the time. Even in the scene you referenced from the first film, after Peter wiped the floor with him he had this cocky expression of confidence and was high on the moment for being able to show him up in front of people.

 

[FStop7]

OP, it's okay to like bad things. It's OK to have guilty pleasures. But really, there's no need to try and justify your guilty pleasures to the rest of the world by pretending they're not exactly what they are: garbage.

 

[VanWinkle]

I was mixed on it. I actually LOVED all the Sandman stuff and thought it was done really well. The Goblin stuff was inoffensive. The worst parts were the lack of any sort of character development for Venom and the wrong choice of casting for Eddie Brock, and the emo stuff, which was kind of funny but something I didn't want in the movie.

 

[inm8num2]

SM3 > Thor and Thor: The Dark World

There, I said it.

 

[Gawge]

And I don't disagree with this. He definitely makes a better Spider-Man, but the trade off was, to me, a really bad Peter, just because of how confident and cocky he was. Peter was always shy, always dealt with bullies. He never went out and embarrassed them by dunking on them (which was a stupid idea by itself). Tobey had the fight in the first one but it was just him defending himself, which made sense to me.

I just feel the trade off between Parker and Spidey was not as serious in Raimi's as they were in ASM. But it seems pretty split, so it's obvious there isn't a right answer.

I think the ASM has a pretty good translation of Peter's character from those early comics, but with an updated and modern approach. In some of the early comics, Peter gives Betty Brant a call, and when she doesn't answer, he tries asking Liz Allen out on a date instead. Something like that would be horrible in a movie, especially now - but it shows that Peter can be quite cocky.

Also, i'm pretty sure that Peter actually took part in a boxing match with Flash in the comics, and embarrassed him by knocking him out (albeit semi-accidentally). Though, the whole Flash thing is a lot harder to do in a film, because you have a lot less time. In the comics, there can be a bit of development with Flash every issue or so - but in a film, you basically have to set up his character straight away - and have him change fairly quickly.

I really liked that ASM had Flash in the Spider-Man T-Shirt at the end. I hope they develop that further in the second film, though obviously only slightly. I just can't see how they could involve an interesting character like Flash set-up in the first film without doing it how they did. You have to immediately dislike him, have Peter get one over on him, but then see a bit of a change all in one film.

Generally I think ASM did Peter rather well.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

SM3 > Thor and Thor: The Dark World

There, I said it.

Shit is never better than mediocrity.

Just Sandman would have been fine, but I don't mind multiple villains, only when they're awfully handled, like Venom. I don't even mean like... the character story, I just mean how stupid it was. People tend to not like multiple villains because they think it's hard to flesh them all out (and it is) but with comics there's usually a lot of villains around so I don't mind it. I do mind it though, like I said, when everything about them is piss poor. Venom shouldn't have been in the film, but if he were at least awesome I wouldn't have cared.

His design looked pretty good too. I remember getting so hyped at the teaser image of the symbiote engulfing Brock.

This one. As a huge Venom fan, it was amazing. Then... he kept taking the symbiote off to talk and made dick jokes for ten minutes, then got killed by a pumpkin bomb. *sigh*

 

[ItIsOkBro]

OP, it's okay to like bad things. It's OK to have guilty pleasures. But really, there's no need to try and justify your guilty pleasures to the rest of the world by pretending they're not exactly what they are: garbage.

To the rest of the world Spider-Man 3 is an innocent pain; they think it's okay to hate good things.

 

[brandonh83]

His design looked pretty good too. I remember getting so hyped at the teaser image of the symbiote engulfing Brock.

Oh man I remember that. So much hype. So much disappointment. Hell that church scene was actually really great (with the exception of that really stupid prayer scene where Eddie is so mad at Spiderman that he begs god to kill him lol) and the transformation was awesome, but it just didn't add up to anything worthwhile.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Oh man I remember that. So much hype. So much disappointment. Hell that church scene was actually really great (with the exception of that really stupid prayer scene where Eddie is so mad at Spiderman that he begs god to kill him lol) and the transformation was awesome, but it just didn't add up to anything worthwhile.

I think the casting was way off, though the Raimi movies seem to dig bad casting (outside of Doc Ock, J.J. and Harry maybe). And yeah, that transformation scene is excellent, but the fact it occurs like 20 minutes before the end of the runtime should've tipped us off that it wouldn't culminate in anything great. Should have teased him at the end of Spider-Man 3, and saved him for 4 dammit.

 

[brandonh83]

I think the casting was way off, though the Raimi movies seem to dig bad casting (outside of Doc Ock, J.J. and Harry maybe). And yeah, that transformation scene is excellent, but the fact it occurs like 20 minutes before the end of the runtime should've tipped us off that it wouldn't culminate in anything great. Should have teased him at the end of Spider-Man 3, and saved him for 4 dammit.

Bingo. The same events that came after the transformation could have happened without that character. In fact it would have felt far more organic if Franco had been the one to kidnap Mary Jane to fish Spider-man to the construction site so that he and Sandman could take out Peter (pending that there would be a similar scene between Franco and Sandman like the Venom/Sandman partnering in the alley). Then at some point in the climax he could find out the truth somehow and then partner with Peter to take out Stay Puft Sandman and then be mortally wounded.

 

[Pavaloo]

Think the original plans for 3 was to split it into two movies: S-M3 with Harry n Sandman while introducing Brock, then S-M4 with Venom. Forget why they ended up rushing it all into one picture? Maybe Raimi was just that upset working with Venom he just wanted to get it over with? Then the plans after 3 to just have 4 with Vulture (with John Malkovich, be still my beating heart) and Black Cat??

Fuck, I really wish there were shoot interviews about Spider-Man 3. And like Superman Returns, X-3, etc.

So interesting to think about where it all falls apart.

 

[Mac the KNife]

Topher Grace was great. He needed an entire film to himself, though.

The symbiote holds his eyebrow up to make him look EXTRA EVIL. Awesome and fun.

 

[Spinluck]

The artwork for Venom was insane.

The art direction for this movie actually wasn't that bad if you ignore New Goblin.

 

[zma1013]

Including an invincible villain like Sandman, making the wrong casting choice for Brock, and turning Peter into an pompous emo dick all combined to make the movie bad.

 

[Blader]

Think the original plans for 3 was to split it into two movies: S-M3 with Harry n Sandman while introducing Brock, then S-M4 with Venom. Forget why they ended up rushing it all into one picture?

They couldn't find a natural break point for two movies. There's not enough story there to support two whole films anyway.

The problem isn't that they should have split it in two (then you end up two unfulfilling movies with chopped up throughlines), it's that there shouldn't have been that many characters there in the first place.

 

[Stevetopsy]

The venom story arc is more than enough meat for one film. Venom missed the mark in so many ways that i'm actually glad they did a reboot. This way maybe we'll see it done right. I remember seeing the preview tho... and oh man was I pumped. It was pretty much the scene in the church from the animated series I watched as a kid, but live action. Aside from the cheeseball "god, please kill peter" line, it was great, ending with venom, fangs and all, leaping at the camera, leaving my imagination to run wild with how great this could be.

Instead, no giant tongue covered in green "venom", no "we are venom" line, no hulking frame absolutely MANHANDLING spider-man, terrible CG on the face... I can see why they wanted show Tophers face as much as possible.

Here's hoping for a Venom/Carnage arc done right sometime in the future.

 

[Matt2thefuture]

Spiderman 3 is so bad that Rami has admitted he made huge mistakes, producers said same thing...Studio had to reboot the franchise it was so bad, literally the Batman and Robin of the Spiderman franchise. Sorry if you like it, sure the 1 minute formation of sandman and Harry Osborn eating a pie are amazing but the film was lazy and a train-wreck compared to what Rami did with 2.

 

[Minion101]

Spiderman 3 is so bad that Rami has admitted he made huge mistakes, producers said same thing...Studio had to reboot the franchise it was so bad, literally the Batman and Robin of the Spiderman franchise. Sorry if you like it, sure the 1 minute formation of sandman and Harry Osborn eating a pie are amazing but the film was lazy and a train-wreck compared to what Rami did with 2.

Lol still shocked at the hate for this movie (spiderman 3).

 

[Spinluck]

I liked Chris Young's soundtrack and a bit of the action. I wouldn't call that a lot to like. =p

The plot was horrible and the emotional stings were awkward and even atrocious. That forced break-up scene on the bridge in the park for example was just garbage and the death scene at the end was horribly acted by everyone but Franco, who seemed to be the only person that gave a shit.

The soundtrack to this movie is really good, better than SM1's, Goblin's theme was ok, but I felt like all the new stuff in SM3 trumps it.

Anyway, that bridge scene was one of the worst acted scenes I've personally seen in a superhero movie. Like, yikes. All the MJ and Harry stuff was awful too. Idk if it was a lack of range, or if they had to rush, but it was grating to watch. There is something good about the scene where Peter hits MJ though, probably Maguire's best scene in the movie performance wise. The film gets away with some stuff like Harry being fucked up after their second fight, and telling Peter to fuck off (cause MJ needs help for the 30th time). At this point you see that his handsome face is messed up because Peter is a dick, and when they reunite it's sort of cool. But that is mainly because of your attachment to them from the prior films (Harry goes from this weirdo drunk woman thief with daddy issues to superhero*- he ends up with a better arc than anyone in the movie). People like to use this movie as a scapegoat as to why some people who never liked the trilogy, dislike the trilogy. I feel that SM3 actually benefits from the first two, because as a standalone film, I wouldn't have liked or cared for anyone in it except for Aunt May who's an angel. Maybe Harry too.

I think the ASM has a pretty good translation of Peter's character from those early comics, but with an updated and modern approach. In some of the early comics, Peter gives Betty Brant a call, and when she doesn't answer, he tries asking Liz Allen out on a date instead. Something like that would be horrible in a movie, especially now - but it shows that Peter can be quite cocky.

Also, i'm pretty sure that Peter actually took part in a boxing match with Flash in the comics, and embarrassed him by knocking him out (albeit semi-accidentally). Though, the whole Flash thing is a lot harder to do in a film, because you have a lot less time. In the comics, there can be a bit of development with Flash every issue or so - but in a film, you basically have to set up his character straight away - and have him change fairly quickly.

I really liked that ASM had Flash in the Spider-Man T-Shirt at the end. I hope they develop that further in the second film, though obviously only slightly. I just can't see how they could involve an interesting character like Flash set-up in the first film without doing it how they did. You have to immediately dislike him, have Peter get one over on him, but then see a bit of a change all in one film.

Generally I think ASM did Peter rather well.

One thing I liked about TASM was the layers to the crime fighting. Unfortunately it gets a little botched by the excess they decided to keep in. First he starts off hungry for revenge, beating up Chad Kroeger lookalikes, then he gets the webshooters, sees the mask and makes the costume, and starts just doing good on his own. He then becomes responsible for The Lizard which he basically created, the takes up that responsibility. If they were gonna go with a more progressive route instead of a montage.. they should've cut a lot out. Lizard was a really crappy villain, but these TASM movies don't seem to be giving a fuck about properly developing antagonist. I do hear Dehaan is really good though. but rushed towards the end.

 

[moggio]

Only good thing about it was Bruce Campbell.

 

[okayfrog]

Spider-Man 3 is like if a Spider-Man film was directed by the director of the Evil Dead series, and that's why I love it.

 

[TheSpaceBetween]

Eric Foreman as Venom is the single worst casting choice in the history of movies. At least the dance scene was hilarious though.

 

[Lightning4Ever]

SM3 > Thor and Thor: The Dark World

There, I said it.

Agreed. I think it's better than the majority of the MCU movies anyway. They're for the most part just meh. Spider-Man 3 to me is above average.

 

[inm8num2]

This movie has some great awkward one liners.

"Look at little Goblin Jr. You gonna cry?"

 

[ItIsOkBro]

This movie has some great awkward one liners.

"Look at little Goblin Jr. You gonna cry?"

Chills down my spine tbh.

 

[Haloid1177]

This movie has some great awkward one liners.

"Look at little Goblin Jr. You gonna cry?"

Laugh every time. Pretty much anything between Peter and Harry was 10/10 in Spidey 3.

 

[Sub_Level]

There's only one movie Spider-Man to me ultimately, and it's the one with Tobey Maguire and Bruce Campbell.

Shame Sony didn't want to continue this series. Oh well. Amazing music and never really took itself seriously. I never read Spiderman so I can't speak to how it portrayed the characters or plot, but it seemed like it managed to nail the general comic sensibilities that I remember from the cartoon.

 

[RaikuHebi]

They fucking ruined the best arc of the animated series. Venom fucking saga. All they had to do was copy that storyline and have it as a film. That would've been perfect.

I haven't watched a Spiderman movie since because of that shit.

 

[Spinluck]

I never read Spiderman so I can't speak to how it portrayed the characters or plot

SM2 did it the best of the 3.

Spider-Man is going to become the new Batman or James Bond, or whatever and be redone over and over until it doesn't make money- then they'll give it some shut eye. Might as well prepare for it.

 

[spookyfish]

47 posts in? I am disappoint.

 

[Sub_Level]

Are those emo scenes supposed to be bad? That was one of the most entertaining parts of the movie.

 

[MrBadger]

I hated how terrible Venom was represented, but I loved how terrible the jazz club dance scene and whole "cool peter parker" crap was. I'd say Spiderman 3 is so bad it's good.

Sandman was the only villain that was adequately represented, but I didn't think he was interesting enough to carry the whole movie. Didn't need Venom at all, though.

 

[Lightning4Ever]

Are those emo scenes supposed to be bad? That was one of the most entertaining parts of the movie.

I'm pretty sure he's supposed to come off as looking like an idiot while he thinks he's being cool.

Or something like that. I liked those scenes though. Were entertaining.

 

[gutter_trash]

Spidey 3 started off good with Sandman's origin story; it turned into a turd when the symbiote story and Venom were rushed to fit in a movie that had 3 villains staring

 

[MrBadger]

I rewatched Spiderman 3 yesterday and I didn't think it was nearly as bad as I remember it being. Venom was dreadful, as was that last action sequence with the news reporter and the stupid crowd reactions, but I thought Sandman was really good as a sympathetic antagonist and you can really feel the emotion in that fight scene in the sewers. I also thought everything revolving Harry Osborn was great, and his turn to evil was a lot more natural and believable than in ASM2. I dislike Maguire, but I kind of think he wasn't any worse than he was in Spiderman 2 and the whole emo Peter Parker crap falls into so bad it's good territory.

I still think the movie is bad, poorly paced, has too many stories going on at once and completely wastes Venom's first appearance on the big screen, but hey, it was better than I remember it. So there's that.

 

[nynt9]

Poignant that this came out two days ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrDwtLl1p0A

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Poignant that this came out two days ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrDwtLl1p0A

Aaaaaagggh so much emphasis on stupid, awful shit that has NOTHING TO DO WITH SPIDER-MAN.

 

[Shahadan]

The best thing about that movie is that after 2 movies and a long and boring building relationship, all it takes is an omelet for MJ to kiss another guy.