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SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME - Official Trailer

The whole premise of this movie was stupid. My life is ruined because I can’t get in MIT, wahhh. The public all turn on him after he’s saved millions, where are the avengers to defend him? Where’s anyone to defend him? It’s like he’s not part of the MCU. The spell being screwed up because he keeps changing things, I guess it’s supposed to be funny but came off as stupid. Spider-Man was just an idiot throughout, he’s responsible for the death of his aunt because he couldn’t let the villains from different universes go home? WTF?! This just might be my least favorite spidey film. Seeing the other Spider-Man’s was cool, but the rest of the movie just sucked. Spider-Man 2 still the best and Tobey Maguire still the GOAT.
My problem with the movie is that the majority of decisions don't make sense and they try and make Tom Holland's Spidey so inherently GOOD and kind-hearted that he comes off looking completely retarded. Why is he bothering to help the villains? It's not even a particularly interesting idea or well developed but literally the only thing the movie has to try and force some bad guys into the plot.

The movie could've been over in 20 minutes if he just pressed the button on the side of the box and sent everyone home. Such a poor narrative that really disrespects the audience's intelligence.
 

20cent

Banned
Watched it last night and nope, you’re not alone. It‘s shite like all the other marvel movies, especially the ending. “What if everyone forgets who I am Dr Strange” give me a fucking break. Let’s try to help the villains, give me a fucking break.
Not a MCU fan but many of them are OK - well made and entertaining.

I haven't seen Eternals and Black Widow but No Way Home is in my worst 3s for me along with Shang Chi and Cpt Marvel
 
I didn't really like it either and normally I like most marvel movies. Most points are made here already that I disliked, but what I hated the most was how stupid garfields spiderman was acting all the time like a mentally disabled spiderman.
 

clarky

Gold Member
The whole premise of this movie was stupid. My life is ruined because I can’t get in MIT, wahhh. The public all turn on him after he’s saved millions, where are the avengers to defend him? Where’s anyone to defend him? It’s like he’s not part of the MCU. The spell being screwed up because he keeps changing things, I guess it’s supposed to be funny but came off as stupid. Spider-Man was just an idiot throughout, he’s responsible for the death of his aunt because he couldn’t let the villains from different universes go home? WTF?! This just might be my least favorite spidey film. Seeing the other Spider-Man’s was cool, but the rest of the movie just sucked. Spider-Man 2 still the best and Tobey Maguire still the GOAT.
My issue as well, after Phase one ended these movies seem to lack any sort of stakes. Its like I have a Marvel hangover as my interest in them going forward is close to zero. Also can't see the need for this to be as long as it was, popcorn movies like this need to be 2 hours absolute tops.

Edit: Really dislike this multiverse shit as well, if they can bring anyone they fancy back at anytime the deaths are totally meaningless. If they bring back Iron Man at anypoint then my salty tears are going to be very pissed.
 
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SafeOrAlone

Banned
The whole premise of this movie was stupid. My life is ruined because I can’t get in MIT, wahhh. The public all turn on him after he’s saved millions, where are the avengers to defend him? Where’s anyone to defend him? It’s like he’s not part of the MCU. The spell being screwed up because he keeps changing things, I guess it’s supposed to be funny but came off as stupid. Spider-Man was just an idiot throughout, he’s responsible for the death of his aunt because he couldn’t let the villains from different universes go home? WTF?! This just might be my least favorite spidey film. Seeing the other Spider-Man’s was cool, but the rest of the movie just sucked. Spider-Man 2 still the best and Tobey Maguire still the GOAT.
Can't argue with any of this. The film is being propped up by fan-service and bucket-loads of "heart" - the latter of which actually does rescue the film from being trash.
I mean, Andrew and Tobey really played their parts well, as did the main villains (another point docked for how awful the Sandman and Lizard implementation was - I can't believe they actually repurposed scenes of them here, from prior movies). It's too bad they couldn't find a better way to get us there, but I'd say it was just about worth it, at the end of the day.

I enjoy the movie more than you, but I agree that Spider-Man 2 is the GOAT.
 
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SJRB

Gold Member
The movie is quite terrible until it dumps truckloads of memberberries on you. This movie is carried entirely by the performance of the classic characters. Alfred Molina and Willem Dafoe are as captivating as they were in the OG movies, hamming it up just perfectly.

The difference between Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire versus Tom Holland is night and day. Tom Holland is a wet blanket of an actor, charismatic void, nothing compared to the other two. I also hate how Tom Holland's Peter Parker fumbles and stumbles, acts like a 12 year old and casually runs into mcguffins without real effort. O look it's a fucking magic science box just standing there in the corner, it can literally solve all our problems in like an hour work, tops. How convenient.

I really enjoyed the chemistry between Garfield and Maguire, there were some really solid moments. The moments of downtime where they exchange experiences was super cool.

Tom Holland's Spider-Man makes me retroactively appreciate Garfield's Spider-Man way more.

Also - how big of a moron is Dr. Strange? Like seriously, is he an idiot? I always thought he was a wise sage but man, what a moron. First lets a little kid talk him into brainwashing the entire universe because the kid and his friends get bullied, then fucks up the spell because he lets himself get distracted multiple times, then tries to beat a kid but gets owned in the process and locked in his own mirror dimension, just after another kid steals his fucking teleport device. And then ultimately agrees AGAIN to brainwash the entire universe. Isn't this guy supposed to be super wise?
 

SafeOrAlone

Banned
Tom Holland's Spider-Man is an interesting topic of late, for sure. I think a lot of people are starting to change their tune from "best Spider-Man" to "he's okay". He isn't bad by any means but I feel like a lot of excitement for Tom initially, was blurred with general excitement for Spider-Man being in the MCU.

Now, before I go too hard on Tom, I think he has had the least to work with out of all three actors. He's been given some script opportunities here and there, but I just don't think the general atmosphere and production of an MCU movie is giving Tom quite as much opportunity as Andrew and Tobey had. BUT, even if Tom were given those opportunities, I'm not fully convinced he'd nail them as well as Andrew or Tobey anyway.

Now, the consensus surrounding No Way Home is that Andrew stole the show, to the point that it feels like some of Tom Holland's thunder has been stolen. Really interesting situation. Even more so, it will be interesting to see how they balance the demand for these three actors now. I get the feeling Tom doesn't want to be "Spider-man jr." anymore, and the ending of No Way Home seems to agree with that, which is all well and good, but then how do you bring back Andrew and/or Tobey without it all feeling the same?

Personally, I'd love to see Tobey and Andrew get meatier supporting roles in the upcoming MCU crossovers, as opposed to new solo films. Tom needs his best chance yet to show what he can do in a serious solo movie.
Then again, I couldn't say no to a Spider-man 4, by Sam Raimi, no matter what lies in it's path.
 

sol_bad

Member
The movie is quite terrible until it dumps truckloads of memberberries on you. This movie is carried entirely by the performance of the classic characters. Alfred Molina and Willem Dafoe are as captivating as they were in the OG movies, hamming it up just perfectly.

The difference between Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire versus Tom Holland is night and day. Tom Holland is a wet blanket of an actor, charismatic void, nothing compared to the other two. I also hate how Tom Holland's Peter Parker fumbles and stumbles, acts like a 12 year old and casually runs into mcguffins without real effort. O look it's a fucking magic science box just standing there in the corner, it can literally solve all our problems in like an hour work, tops. How convenient.

I really enjoyed the chemistry between Garfield and Maguire, there were some really solid moments. The moments of downtime where they exchange experiences was super cool.

Tom Holland's Spider-Man makes me retroactively appreciate Garfield's Spider-Man way more.

Also - how big of a moron is Dr. Strange? Like seriously, is he an idiot? I always thought he was a wise sage but man, what a moron. First lets a little kid talk him into brainwashing the entire universe because the kid and his friends get bullied, then fucks up the spell because he lets himself get distracted multiple times, then tries to beat a kid but gets owned in the process and locked in his own mirror dimension, just after another kid steals his fucking teleport device. And then ultimately agrees AGAIN to brainwash the entire universe. Isn't this guy supposed to be super wise?

Lots to unpack here.

Alfred Molina and Willem Dafoe are far more captivating in this film than they ever were in the OG films. The reason being because Chris McKenna and and Erik Sommers wrote them far better than the writers of Spider-Man 1 and 2. Jon Watts also did an amazing job at directing. The biggest difference between this film and the originals is that they feel like fleshed out characters in No Way Home rather than one note villains in the originals.

When someone calls someone a bad actor, the card that is always played is the "charismatic" card, like that's all there is to being an actor. Jon Watts directed the hell out of Tom Holland and Tom Holland acted his arse off in this film. Probably his best performance to date but I haven't seen The Devil All The Time. Everyone's chemistry was on point, Holland and Zendaya were great together and the interactions between all 3 Spider-Men were brilliant. The scene where Holland, Garfield and Maguire talk on the school roof is chefs kiss, so much emotion between the 3 of them.

Not sure what you mean by the fumbling and mcguffins. The cube that solves the problem, the plan was to recapture all the villains first before returning them. If Pete would have found Green Goblin before Aunt May that is exactly what he would have done. But he didn't, May "found" him first and felt sorry for him. May made Pete realise that the villains weren't right in the head, which they weren't in the original films. Norman was affected by the super serum and Otto was controlled by his tentacles. Same goes for the Lizard, his formula affected him. Electro on the other hand was just an all round poorly written character in ASM2. Pete didn't want to disappoint Aunt May and he had a very heavy burden to bear.
If you mean the Stark technology that was in Happy's apartment ... the MCU has established advanced technology since Iron Man 1. And it's not like it was automated, Pete still had to work out the formula's correctly. There is no sign of passage of time, it could have been hours or days to work out those formulas but there is a thing called pacing. Did you really want the film to spend half an hour showing Pete working out these cures?
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As pointed out by The_hunter The_hunter below, it's absolutely not in Pete's character to murder villains, never has been, he will help them as much as he can. But it was really good to see him struggle with this decision.

The experience exchange between Garfield and Maguire was actually one of the lower points for me. Yes, it was entertaining but they only mention things we see in old films. Couldn't they have mentioned more adventures that they had off screen that we hadn't seen, actually flesh out their careers as Spider-Man?

It's not Tom Holland that makes you retroactively appreciate Garfield's Spider-Man more. It's the amazing job of the writers and director for this film. The ASM films are still bad and I fucking hate them, but even I want to see a 3rd ASM film now with the same writers as No Way Home because they understand all these characters far better.

Strange has never been a wise sage in the MCU, he hasn't even been the sorcerer supreme yet from what I understand. What he is is an egotistical, arrogant and self centered dick who ignores the rules. He straight up ignored the rules in the first film and started messing with time as soon as he could. It's his arrogance that causes him to start casting Pete's spell before setting the ground rules before hand and his arrogance that causes him to be defeated by math in the mirror dimension. Pete's friends didn't get bullied, they got denied to college/university because of their relation to a "murderer" and Pete felt guilty for fucking up the start of their lives. As for the spell at the end, it was straight forward, everyone, no chance of Strange fucking that up.

Now, the consensus surrounding No Way Home is that Andrew stole the show, to the point that it feels like some of Tom Holland's thunder has been stolen.

That's certainly not the consensus at all. Garfield is a great actor in general, amazing in Silence, Tick Tick Boom, Hacksaw Ridge and Social Network amongst others. It's just that he is so much better in No Way Home compared to the ASM films because he has a good script to work with and Jon Watts knows how to get a good performance out of him. He does not overshadow Tom Holland though, sure there will be people with that opinion but it won't be the vast majority.
 
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The_hunter

Member
I thought it was one of the better, if not best MCU movie?

The guy doing the green goblin stole the show, acting wise, absolutely incredible. Fantastic to see Doc Octavius again. Great action scenes. The writing was pretty good, way too much lovey-dovey stuff for me, but I understand they want to appeal to every type of movie-goer. Half of the jokes did not land, they need to be careful with having too many jokes in these movies.

Spiderman is always going to pick the most good path, it's part of the character and superhero, of course he's going to help the villains. It was a good twist to what I was expecting from the movie.
 
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SafeOrAlone

Banned
That's certainly not the consensus at all. Garfield is a great actor in general, amazing in Silence, Tick Tick Boom, Hacksaw Ridge and Social Network amongst others. It's just that he is so much better in No Way Home compared to the ASM films because he has a good script to work with and Jon Watts knows how to get a good performance out of him. He does not overshadow Tom Holland though, sure there will be people with that opinion but it won't be the vast majority.
Agree to disagree. It's 100% the consensus from where I am standing, as evidenced by all the campaigning to bring him back. There is more talk about ASM3 than there is Homecoming 4 over the last month or so. People are taking way more about Andrew Garfield than Holland since the film came out.

Also, in regards to Dr. Strange, I don't really mind whether he was Sorcerer Supreme or not, the decisions he made were stupid and insulting to the audience. It was the equivalent of a teenager walking down a dark hallway, while home alone, knowing there's a murderer on the loose, in a slasher flick. It's the kind of dumb everyone can see coming from miles away and it's insulting to the audience's intelligence to hinge the stakes on such foolish decision-making.

To add to that, it's too hard to believe that these guys who have seen half of all life disappear and return, would risk the multiverse for such trivial matters. How important is it for Peter to get into MIT? Important enough to risk the universe?? COME ON lol.

I definitely love this movie for what it does right, but I disagree with a lot of your defenses posted above. That said, you brought up some good points as well. I hadn't fully considered that, yeah, the villains from another universe really weren't right in the head when they died, so maybe it does make sense for Peter to put so much effort into saving them.
 
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sol_bad

Member
Agree to disagree. It's 100% the consensus from where I am standing, as evidenced by all the campaigning to bring him back. There is more talk about ASM3 than there is Homecoming 4 over the last month or so. People are taking way more about Andrew Garfield than Holland since the film came out.

Holland Spider-Man 4 doesn't need campaigning, it's happening 100%. No one wanted an ASM3 until after this film, like I said in my last post, even I want an ASM3.
 

SafeOrAlone

Banned
Holland Spider-Man 4 doesn't need campaigning, it's happening 100%. No one wanted an ASM3 until after this film, like I said in my last post, even I want an ASM3.
That's a good point, but I wouldn't even hinge it on the ASM3-talk. I just feel all around, that people are talking about Garfield way more, and for good reason - he is electric on screen. Charisma does matter for Spider-Man and he does have more than Tom.
Tom does well with emotional scenes too. He deserves more of them. I just feel Andrew is in another class and that was sort of reflected in this movie.
 

DryvBy

Member
Spider-Man 2
Spider-Man: No Way Home
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Spider-Man 1
The Amazing Spider-Man
The Amazing Spider-Man 2
Spider-Man: Far From Home
Spider-Man 3
I finally watched No Way Home and I absolutely hated it. I'm going to rearrange this list.

Spider-Man 2
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Spider-Man 1
Amazing Spider-Man
Amazing Spider-Man 2
Spider-Man No Way Home tied with
Spider-Man Far From Home
Spider-Man 3

All this latest movie did is set up for future retcons and mixed in Ready Player One nostalgia.
 
I finally watched No Way Home and I absolutely hated it. I'm going to rearrange this list.

Spider-Man 2
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Spider-Man 1
Amazing Spider-Man
Amazing Spider-Man 2
Spider-Man No Way Home tied with
Spider-Man Far From Home
Spider-Man 3

All this latest movie did is set up for future retcons and mixed in Ready Player One nostalgia.
We have the same ranking except Spider-Man 3 would be much higher. Not sure where it would fit in the first 5. But for sure above FFH and NWH. The laughable production value alone on NWH is enough to keep it below 3 for me personally.

Homecoming was such a promising start I don't know what the fuck happened with the rest of the trilogy. I guess its not like Jon Watts is actually directing any of these so I suppose the producers and VFX artist simply were able to come up with a more enticing story not having to fit it as much into a post endgame TV episode phase 4 set up kind of structure.
 
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Nico_D

Member
All the new phase Marvel movies (and tv shows though I haven't seen Moon Knight yet) have been pretty badly written. Either boring or just not making any sense logically, like Pete helping villains.

Even dialogue was bad between the three Spidey's which makes me think the best dialogue in phase 1 might've been improvised by Downey jr. and others. Or they just had better writers.
 

ManaByte

Member
Exclusively in movie theaters, because why? How antiquated.
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sol_bad

Member
All the new phase Marvel movies (and tv shows though I haven't seen Moon Knight yet) have been pretty badly written. Either boring or just not making any sense logically, like Pete helping villains.

Even dialogue was bad between the three Spidey's which makes me think the best dialogue in phase 1 might've been improvised by Downey jr. and others. Or they just had better writers.

Why wouldn't Pete help villains if they can be helped? He isn't a blood thirsty murderer.
He didn't want Vulture to die and he saved and helped him.
He didn't want Mysterio to die either, he just defended himself which inadvertently killed Mysterio.

The villains from the Raimi movies and the AMS villains basically weren't in the right mind frames. Maguire's and Gardfield's Spidey's didn't want to kill any of the villains either.
 

PSlayer

Member
My rank is something like this:

Spiderman 2
Spiderman 1
Amazing spiderman 1
No way home
Spiderman 3
Far from home
Homecoming
Amazing spiderman 2

The only really good movies are the first two raimi ones. TASM 1 and no way home are good movies but not on the same level as the raimi ones. SM3 and FFH are what i consider watchable but not special. Homecoming is a awful mediocre movie that cares more about showing tony stark than spiderman in his own movie. But the worst one is TASM2. The overacting,bad casting choices,bad enemy design...it killed the tasm franchise after all.
 

SkylineRKR

Member
This is a shit movie. After going home we largely forgot what we saw.

I mean

What are those villains doing inbetween their betrayal, and the finale? And why are they the ones attracted to Parker, only these few guys who happened to be his enemies?

There is a lot of filler in this, I can't say I enjoyed the finale either, being on top of a construction site again. More and more I re-appreciate the Raimi films. Let me say that his Spider-Man 2 is the best Spidey movie of all time.

And I had a much better time with The Batman.
 

Nico_D

Member
Why wouldn't Pete help villains if they can be helped? He isn't a blood thirsty murderer.
He didn't want Vulture to die and he saved and helped him.
He didn't want Mysterio to die either, he just defended himself which inadvertently killed Mysterio.

The villains from the Raimi movies and the AMS villains basically weren't in the right mind frames. Maguire's and Gardfield's Spidey's didn't want to kill any of the villains either.

For one, taking them out from a timeline and then turning them around wouldn't possibly fuck up those timelines and put people even worse position?

And what even is the logic behind why Octavius or Normal could be helped? Suddenly they are like "you are my nemesis but sure"? Why would they want to be helped if they believe in whatever they are doing? It'd be like they were admitting they are wrong and villains?
 

SkylineRKR

Member
For one, taking them out from a timeline and then turning them around wouldn't possibly fuck up those timelines and put people even worse position?

And what even is the logic behind why Octavius or Normal could be helped? Suddenly they are like "you are my nemesis but sure"? Why would they want to be helped if they believe in whatever they are doing? It'd be like they were admitting they are wrong and villains?

The way they made a 180 was weird as well. Norman gets a withdrawal of sorts and they're like okay, we'll go fuck shit up. And you won't see them until the end.
 
My rank is something like this:

Spiderman 2
Spiderman 1
Amazing spiderman 1
No way home
Spiderman 3
Far from home
Homecoming
Amazing spiderman 2

The only really good movies are the first two raimi ones. TASM 1 and no way home are good movies but not on the same level as the raimi ones. SM3 and FFH are what i consider watchable but not special. Homecoming is a awful mediocre movie that cares more about showing tony stark than spiderman in his own movie. But the worst one is TASM2. The overacting,bad casting choices,bad enemy design...it killed the tasm franchise after all.
Nice ranking. Mine is slightly different:

Spiderman 1
Spiderman 2
Far From Home
Amazing Spiderman 1
Homecoming
No Way Home
Spiderman 3
Amazing Spiderman 2

Far From Home tends to get a bad rep but I actually enjoyed it and the way they played with how everyone lied to Peter in different ways. Villains, fellow heroes, and friends alike all manipulated him in some way, big or small so much so that the viewer was also lied to in the end(both end credit sequences) and on second viewing(when you notice Mysterio and his workers in the backgrounds of certain scenes before he's even revealed). That and the constant anxiety he faced with having to juggle his double life as Peter Parker and Spiderman to the point where they conveyed him losing his sense of time between both lives, on top of having to process his grief for his mentor Tony Stark. For most other teens it would be way too much to handle, and halfway through the movie he ended up passing that heavy crown to someone else(Mysterio) instead of doing the right thing and confronting it all. He wanted a mentor back so badly that he had blinders on for both Fury and Mysterio, who were ultimately two sides of the same coin. The movie had great themes in it even if everyone didn't like it as much as older Spiderman films.

The biggest disappointment about No Way Home was that they wrote it so that Peter didn't learn a single lesson from Far From Home. His idea of trust should have been completely shaken and the experience should have hardened him as a person and as a hero. His double life should have been put even more into question and focused on. He should have found a way to solve his own problems instead of once again trying to find yet another mentor figure(Dr. Strange) to fix his problems. Instead, they decided to give all of those elements about a 15 minute run in the movie with jokes and instead bring in nostalgic multiverse characters including other Spidermen as the focus. No Way Home quickly erases and invalidates the need for Far From Home and makes that movie seem worse retroactively. Star Wars did this exact thing and people hated the 8th and 9th movies for it. Somehow, NWH managed to do the same thing in a just as badly written manner, and it ended up being praised for it. For that reason I don't think NWH will age well 5-10 years from now after people look past the nostalgia and the great performances of past cast members.
 
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sol_bad

Member
For one, taking them out from a timeline and then turning them around wouldn't possibly fuck up those timelines and put people even worse position?

And what even is the logic behind why Octavius or Normal could be helped? Suddenly they are like "you are my nemesis but sure"? Why would they want to be helped if they believe in whatever they are doing? It'd be like they were admitting they are wrong and villains?

Otto didn't want to be helped, he was forced the be helped. His tentacles controlled him.
Norman has 1 of 2 possibilities. Either his Norman persona was really in control and really wanted to be helped or his Goblin persona was in control and he was pretending to want help. If you don't remember Norman being a bit psychotic and having duel personalities you should watch the original Raimi film again.
Electro was just an extremely poorly written character in the original AMS2 film, he became "evil" just because. He wasn't positive about being cured, he just followed Norman and Sandman's lead.
Sandman was never evil in the Spidey 3 film, he is just easily manipulated. He doesn't want to stay as Sandman, he wants to be with his daughter.
Lizard might be the only one that doesn't make sense. His animal instincts should be taking over but he can't sits in that truck waiting. We don't see him sitting in the apartment waiting for his cure so we aren't sure if he'll actually and happily accept it.

And if they are returned to their own timelines cured, how will that fuck up their individual timelines?

The way they made a 180 was weird as well. Norman gets a withdrawal of sorts and they're like okay, we'll go fuck shit up. And you won't see them until the end.

What withdrawal are you talking about?
 
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DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
Otto didn't want to be helped, he was forced the be helped. His tentacles controlled him.
Norman has 1 of 2 possibilities. Either his Norman persona was really in control and really wanted to be helped or his Goblin persona was in control and he was pretending to want help. If you don't remember Norman being a bit psychotic and having duel personalities you should watch the original Raimi film again.
Electro was just an extremely poorly written character in the original AMS2 film, he became "evil" just because. He wasn't positive about being cured, he just followed Norman and Sandman's lead.
Sandman was never evil in the Spidey 3 film, he is just easily manipulated. He doesn't want to stay as Sandman, he wants to be with his daughter.
Lizard might be the only one that doesn't make sense. His animal instincts should be taking over but he can't sits in that truck waiting. We don't see him sitting in the apartment waiting for his cure so we aren't sure if he'll actually and happily accept it.

And if they are returned to their own timelines cured, how will that fuck up their individual timelines?



What withdrawal are you talking about?

I loved everything about no way home... And I agree with your post.

But their deaths were absolute points in their timelines/universes. Per What If and Strange Supreme, changing an absolute point can destroy that universe
 

Nico_D

Member
Otto didn't want to be helped, he was forced the be helped. His tentacles controlled him.
Norman has 1 of 2 possibilities. Either his Norman persona was really in control and really wanted to be helped or his Goblin persona was in control and he was pretending to want help. If you don't remember Norman being a bit psychotic and having duel personalities you should watch the original Raimi film again.

And if they are returned to their own timelines cured, how will that fuck up their individual timelines?

You consider taking free will away from Otto and giving control to his robotic arms is good writing? Otto didn't really seem to mind either and didn't try to find a way to get control back.

That is really poor plotting and you are able to see how the writer is bending the characters to his/her will and do whatever the plot requires. Same with Goblins multiple personalities: the personalities are present whenever it fits the plot.

The villains didn't actively try to do much anything, besides Goblin: they just stood in the cages looking dumb and saying inconsequential lines of dialogue like being there was as per usual.

Regarding timelines, Marvel has already establishes that things have to go certain way and changing something creates another parallel timeline which is bad and is why the time controllers (Loki) exist.
 

sol_bad

Member
You consider taking free will away from Otto and giving control to his robotic arms is good writing? Otto didn't really seem to mind either and didn't try to find a way to get control back.

That is really poor plotting and you are able to see how the writer is bending the characters to his/her will and do whatever the plot requires. Same with Goblins multiple personalities: the personalities are present whenever it fits the plot.

The villains didn't actively try to do much anything, besides Goblin: they just stood in the cages looking dumb and saying inconsequential lines of dialogue like being there was as per usual.

Regarding timelines, Marvel has already establishes that things have to go certain way and changing something creates another parallel timeline which is bad and is why the time controllers (Loki) exist.

Otto was controlled by his tentacles in the original Spider-Man 2........
In No Way Home, Pete was able to take control of the tentacles and hold Otto captive.

Again, Norman had a split personality in the original Spider-Man film and they barely explored that element.

No Way Home just expanded on what was presented in the original films.

Are you saying you don't like the Raimi films either? If you don't then that's fine.I guess Spidey films just aren't for you.

And no, Marvel haven't established exactly how things work in the multiverse. Even after the Loki series there is still plenty of wriggle room for different interpretations.
Just the fact that Otto, Norman and Sandman are all standing in the same room tells you they all come from different realities.

DeafTourette DeafTourette With the TVA and Loki show, like I mentioned above, plenty of wriggle room. From what we know the TVA is set up by Kang and the rules are set up by Kang. As far as we know Kang controlled reality to get Loki and Silvie in the same room with himself.
At the end of the season we see a totally different TVA which might be looking after a totally different set of realities, we don't know yet.

Also, we know that in one reality that 2014 GOTG happened which led to Thanos collecting all the Infinity stones. Where as in another reality 2014 GOTG happened differently, That Thanos travelled to the future and was killed there. Therefore in that 2014 reality Thanos will not collect the Infinity stones.
A death or set of events in one reality does not 100% have to happen in another reality of the same time space.
 

BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
I really enjoyed it. I felt moved by nostalgia in a way I haven't felt in a very long time when I saw Tobey McGuire show up, or heard Defoe begin monologuing. For some reason it didn't hit me when Doc Ock showed up - perhaps the trailer ruined that bit for me.

I feel a particular kind of melancholy about this movie. These three Holland films were effectively setup for those final moments, when he becomes the Peter Parker we're all familiar with. Even the suit was picture perfect. It immediately made me want more, to see Holland's Peter Parker following the same trail that McGuire's blazed two decades ago. If we don't get to see at least that fourth movie, after feeling the promise of it within those closing moments, I'll be so very disappointed.
 

sol_bad

Member
I really enjoyed it. I felt moved by nostalgia in a way I haven't felt in a very long time when I saw Tobey McGuire show up, or heard Defoe begin monologuing. For some reason it didn't hit me when Doc Ock showed up - perhaps the trailer ruined that bit for me.

I feel a particular kind of melancholy about this movie. These three Holland films were effectively setup for those final moments, when he becomes the Peter Parker we're all familiar with. Even the suit was picture perfect. It immediately made me want more, to see Holland's Peter Parker following the same trail that McGuire's blazed two decades ago. If we don't get to see at least that fourth movie, after feeling the promise of it within those closing moments, I'll be so very disappointed.

Marvel Studios and Sony already confirmed there will be another MCU Spidey trilogy so it's all good.
 

intbal

Gold Member
Rented it yesterday.
It's ok. Can't complain for a $6 rental.

However, many MANY scenes are bloated beyond belief. There is no reason some of that dialogue had to be delivered so slowly with so many dramatic pauses. The lingering camera and delayed cuts amplify this.
They could've trimmed ten minutes off the total runtime and lost literally nothing from the story.
 

Pagusas

Elden Member
Rented it yesterday.
It's ok. Can't complain for a $6 rental.

However, many MANY scenes are bloated beyond belief. There is no reason some of that dialogue had to be delivered so slowly with so many dramatic pauses. The lingering camera and delayed cuts amplify this.
They could've trimmed ten minutes off the total runtime and lost literally nothing from the story.
Makes you wonder how someone with more experience and a history of quality like Rami or a Alfonso Cuarón would have done. God I wish Cuarón would do a Spiderman, he has the visual flare and understanding of editing, movement and pacing that would elevate it beyond a super hero movie. Still I liked No Way Home alot, but I liked it because of the actors and being a spectacle that combined 22 years of films into one, but it could have been soooo much better in the hands of a better director. Watts is competent, has an eye for vibrance and occasionally has some really awesome ideas (Loved the scene in the apartment with peter trying to figure out what his spider sense was telling him), but he lacks the total package (so far, he's still super young!). I'm sure great things will come from him as he gets better in his career, I just would like to see what someone already at the top of their game could do.
 
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My rank is something like this:

Spiderman 2
Spiderman 1
Amazing spiderman 1
No way home
Spiderman 3
Far from home
Homecoming
Amazing spiderman 2

The only really good movies are the first two raimi ones. TASM 1 and no way home are good movies but not on the same level as the raimi ones. SM3 and FFH are what i consider watchable but not special. Homecoming is a awful mediocre movie that cares more about showing tony stark than spiderman in his own movie. But the worst one is TASM2. The overacting,bad casting choices,bad enemy design...it killed the tasm franchise after all.
Are you me? Would rank then exactly the same.
 
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