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shpankey said:
maybe just the cover of the book resized to 120x90? thanks bud!

Man, I really suck 'cause this shit was a bitch to me due to the fact that books are almost always much taller than wide! To get size right for these proportions (without empty space), I had to cheat a bit and insert book 5 into the equation as well.

I'm sure someone can do a "just book 6" way better than me, though.

HarryPotterAvatar.jpg
 
heh, thnx. i just found the windows xp powertools for resizing images and done it. :)

i will however miss my batman. damn, i'm so topical :lol
 
shpankey said:
heh, thnx. i just found the windows xp powertools for resizing images and done it. :)

i will however miss my batman. damn, i'm so topical :lol

Man, I could have done that too. I was going for clarity, though, without pixelation :|

Also, your avatar is 90 x 135... I thought you specifically wanted the proportions you said! It took me forever to get it to 120 x 90 :lol
 
i'm not picky. :) if you can get me one in this size that has better clarity then i'm definately for it! :D

Crow, i would prefer the deluxe edition cover, but can't find it in a workable size for the simple powertools program.
 
Amir0x said:
Man, I could have done that too. I was going for clarity, though, without pixelation :|

Also, your avatar is 90 x 135... I thought you specifically wanted the proportions you said! It took me forever to get it to 90 x 120 :lol
i just now realized i said it backwards... i meant to say 90x120 (the max size for an avatar at GAF)

i dunno why this one went over... it actually came out at 80x120 when i done it... so i thought i was safe.
 
shpankey said:
i just now realized i said it backwards... i mean 120x90 (the maz size for an avatar at GAF)

i dunno why this one went over... it actually came out at 80x120 when i done it... so i thought i was safe.

*smacks forehead*

hahaha, that would have made my life so much easier ;)
 
Amir0x said:
*smacks forehead*

hahaha, that would have made my life so much easier ;)
:lol hehe sorry about that. in my defense though I did say for an Avatar, which takes the 90x120 format :D any chance i could get you to do it again for me at 90x120 this time? ::begs::

DJ Brannon said:
http://whatisdumbledore.ytmnd.com/

Guess it's safe to post it in here.

And if you haven't read the book and clicked that in THIS thread, YOU SUCK.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol OMFG!!!! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 
shpankey said:
ahhh Emma Watson... ::heart pounds::

Question:

Who does everyone imagine in their minds eye as Dumbledore? I see Richard Harris (from the first two movies).

I picture Gandalf the White.
Which reminds me, why the shit isnt Sir Ian McKellan Dumbledore in the movies?

And Im thinkin R.A.B. is Sirius' brother :)
 
Zeo said:
I'm sorry, but this cannot be topped:

http://dumbledeathscene.ytmnd.com/
meh, that's not even funny to me. the other one is fricken hilarious.


Boogie9IGN said:
I picture Gandalf the White.
Which reminds me, why the shit isnt Sir Ian McKellan Dumbledore in the movies?

And Im thinkin R.A.B. is Sirius' brother :)

I woulda loved Sir Ian McKellan as well. Other than Richard Harris, he was the next best choice. I would have much preffered his Gamdalf the Grey performance however.

Sirius brother Regulus is R.A.B. no doubt at all in my mind. We don’t know much about him, but two of the three initials from the fake locket match his name (and the third initial is the same as Regulus' uncle, who he could very well be named after), and we do know that he was once a Death Eater and turned against the Dark Lord. He was also mentioned at least 3 times in HBP: once by Dumbledore (pg. 50, US edition), once by Slughorn (pg. 70), and once by Lupin (pg. 106).

However, what really caught my eye the most was a tiny half-sentence in Order of the Phoenix that may actually be a mention of the Horcrux and also relates to the Black family. It comes in the chapter The Noble and Most Ancient House of Black while Harry et. al., after de-doxying the curtains, are cleaning out a cabinet in the drawing room:
OotP, pg. 116
…also a heavy locket that none of them could open
Could this be the real Horcrux? He also had use of Kreacher, a small and lightweight companion who coulda made the trip on the boat with him to get the locket. This would all no doubt make Regulus Black our mysterious R.A.B. imo.

Also, this makes you think about the importance Kreacher had in trying to salvage the Black trinkets. No doubt Regulus told him the importance of such a Locket.

Also, we had Mudunglus (sp?) selling off items from the Black home.. which could put Harry on an adventure to find the Locket in book 7.

Remember, Rowling always asserts she leaves lots of little clues throughout the books.
 
Boogie9IGN said:
I picture Gandalf the White.
Which reminds me, why the shit isnt Sir Ian McKellan Dumbledore in the movies?


He was asked, I believe.









Anyone else missed reading about Neville and Luna? I'm surprised how much i grew to like these two characters. It was nice to see them in action near the end though. But i wanted more.
 
Soul4ger said in the other HP thread: Regulus Alphard Black. I dunno wtf he got the Alphard but mmk

God, I was cheering when Harry kissed Ginny the first time, I got so excited :D Anyone else feel kinda depressed after the whole book?
 
We do not know for a fact Regulus' middle name was Alphard. We do know that he had an uncle named that. He was one of the good Black's who had his name scratched of the tapestry of the family tree however. So it begs the question: why would they name their son after someone they hated?

p.s. this was also said of Regulus (from Sirius) in book 5:
OotP, Chapter 6, page 112, U.S. Version
"Oh no," said Sirius. "No, he was murdered by Voldemort. Or on Voldemort's orders, more likely, I doubt Regulus was ever important enough to be killed by Voldemort in person. From what I found out, after he died, he got in so far, then panicked about what he was being asked to do and tried to back out."

p.p.s.
HBP, Chapter 28, page 609, U.S. Version
"To the Dark Lord,
I know I will be dead long before you read this but I want you to know that it was I who discovered your secret. I have stolen the real Horcrux and intend to destroy it as soon as I can. I face death in the hope that when you meet your match, you will be mortal once more.
R.A.B."
The only people who called Lord Voldemort 'The Dark Lord' are his followers, the Death Eaters. which the person in the note left behind did refer to him as 'the dark lord' which is evidence the person was a Death Eater (or former). which is more evidence of Regulus. also consider he only left the Dark Lord his initials, which means the Dark Lord would have had to know them... and not just that, but be quite familiar with him. R.A.B. wouldn't take that kind of chance considering he "wanted him to know it was I who discovered your secret". it had to be a Death Eater then.

in fact, the evidence of it being Regulus is fairly overwhelming now imo.
 
Boogie9IGN said:
Soul4ger said in the other HP thread: Regulus Alphard Black. I dunno wtf he got the Alphard but mmk

God, I was cheering when Harry kissed Ginny the first time, I got so excited :D Anyone else feel kinda depressed after the whole book?

yep...I was cheering. Rowling handled it perfectly.
 
Don't know if this was mentioned before

Anyone notice how, Ginny said voldemorts name after Harry dumped her? and not He Who Must Not Be Named!!!!!
Wonder what this means for the next book!!
I think Dumbledores Army will be back in full force next book, as it mentioned how Luna and Neville responded, and even Ron put up a fight this time round

Harry, Hermione, Ron, Neville, Ginny and Luna I believe will band together
 
ThongyDonk said:
Don't know if this was mentioned before

Anyone notice how, Ginny said voldemorts name after Harry dumped her? and not He Who Must Not Be Named!!!!!
Wonder what this means for the next book!!
I think Dumbledores Army will be back in full force next book, as it mentioned how Luna and Neville responded, and even Ron put up a fight this time round

Harry, Hermione, Ron, Neville, Ginny and Luna I believe will band together

I think the only significance of Ginny using Voldemorts name is to express the strong nature of her.

I also think that DA members along with others will come flocking to join Harry half way through the next book, and at the forefront of it will be Neville and Luna. I reckon Ginny will come much sooner.

Damnit, I want the next book Now!
 
despite all of the pointless and annoying teen romance shit, I DID enjoy how she handled Harry and Ginny's kiss. Actually chuckled kind of a bit

Ginny runs over to hug Harry.

Harry figures to kiss her. Harry thinks "WTF AM I DOING????" Looks over at Ron.

Ron gives him a look that says "Well, if you must--"

man.. that was great, I'll give her that.

I also along with GDJustin can't believe I was so fucking obtuse to think that Snape killing Dumbledore was as plain and obvious as that. I am ashamed of those comments in the original thread. I DID make ammeds for them a minute or two later after rereading the part and seeing the obvious stuff then popup. I also knew upon reading it the first time that Dumbledore would never beg for his life. I just didn't put two and two together the first time.

But the book was still me least favorite (though the ending is a bit more redeemed now). And to those who say the teen romance angle wasn't that big in the middle 300-400 pages.. umm. THAT WAS THE ENTIRE MIDDLE almost. Ron pissed and Hermione. Ron going with Lavender. Hermione pissed at Ron. Hermione asking out the Quidditch jock. Ron getting pissed. etc. Oh, it was broken up for Tom Riddle backgrounds here and there, but seriously.. that was just insane. She could have easily condensed that down to 100 pages at most.

Still my least favorite book, though everything from The Cave on was pretty great (if not obviously tragic and sad:( )
 
My post from the other thread:

Just finished the book - as an aside, my local Japanese bookstore had 15 copies (3 US, 12 UK) on launch day. Unstoppable juggernaut, indeed. SUPER SPOILER DISCUSSION:

I enjoyed the book, but am a little disappointed with The Spirits Within style lousy plotting of Finding Horcruxes that appears to be the skeleton of the next book. Though admittedly at the same time I am looking forward to getting out of Hogwarts for a bit.

I think the most important conclusion is that I am 250% sure that Snape is actually on the side of good. It's really, really important to note that in Chapter Two he agrees to the Unbreakable Vow WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT IS. He never says anything related to the content of the vow, he just says vagaries to get Narcissa to reveal to him that it's something Voldemort wants her son to do... Even then, he agrees to it without knowing the content of the vow.

People have already brought up the good points about how Snape and Dumbledore probably have an agreement that, should Dumbledore ever need killing, Snape has to be the one to do it; also Snape's slight hesitation before doing so. Given the fatal nature of breaking an Unbreakable Vow, it's possible that they came to this agreement AFTER the events in chapter 2 (presumably, Snape did learn what exactly he had to do at some point after making the vow). Also, at the end, when Harry is in pain, his pain stops when Snape shouts "No!" Snape's in really, really deep as a double agent, but there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that he's on the side of good. Mostly because Rowling has tried so hard to "show" us he's not this book ... while always leaving that backdoor conspiculously open.

There was a section in the middle of the book where Harry hears that Dumbledore and Snape have had a row. I dunno the page or chapter, but if anyone can find it, it might be related to their "pact."
 
my biggest problem with the book is trying to explain why Dumbledore froze Harry (please don't say for protection, which I thought about and concluded absurd).

this is something Rowling will have to explain in the next book. but after a great deal of thought, the only logical conclusion is that Dumbledore wanted to die.
 
shpankey said:
my biggest problem with the book is trying to explain why Dumbledore froze Harry (please don't say for protection, which I thought about and concluded absurd).

How so? If the theory a lot of people seem to be running with is true (namely that Dumbledore knows Snape will have to kill him) then it could well be for protection, because it's clear to him that Harry can't stand up to Snape yet and because of the Unbreakable Vow Snape would have to go through him to get to Dumbledore.
 
shpankey said:
this is something Rowling will have to explain in the next book. but after a great deal of thought, the only logical conclusion is that Dumbledore wanted to die.

I think Dumbledore knew that either:

1) he had to die, Snape and Malfoy escape (Snape kills him, Harry frozen)
2) he had to die, Snape and Malfoy die too (Snape doesn't kill him, Harry frozen)
3) he, Snape, and Malfoy die, along with Harry and a few others (Snape doesn't kill him, Harry unfrozen)

No way Harry would have let 1) happen, and no way Dumbledore would have let 2) or 3) happen. He knew that keeping Snape so deep into the Death Eaters was nearly as important to the Order as keeping Harry alive. So he froze Harry so 1) could happen.
 
dumbledore freezing harry for his own protection is NOT ridiculous.

If Harry was unfrozen, as soon as Draco entered Harry would have attacked him. One of two things would have happened (assuming Harry is more powerful). Either Draco would have died (at which point Snape would STILL have had to kill Dumbledore), or Draco wouldn't have died and 4 more Death Eaters would have entered, at which point Harry would have likely died.

Because of the Unbreakable vow, Dumbledore had to die. Harry couldn't interfere, which he would have.
 
Anyone think Dumbledore froze Harry so Harry could SEE Dumbledore die? Make him even angrier, even more focused on what he has to do? Eh, EH?!
 
I too picture Harris as Dumbledore. Hell, I also picture Radcliffe as Harry, Grint as Ron, and Watson (3 more years, fellas :lol ) as Hermione. Say what you will about the films, but I think they got the casting picture perfect.
 
Soul4ger said:
Anyone think Dumbledore froze Harry so Harry could SEE Dumbledore die? Make him even angrier, even more focused on what he has to do? Eh, EH?!
no. I think it was all about Dumbledore making sure what needed to happen happened. He got to the castle, realized it was a trap and what was about to happen, and froze Harry to prevent him from trying to prevent it.
 
Just a few things I noticed, that I think prove Snape isn't evil.


He lied to Bealtrix about Harry. he said when Harry came to Hogwarts that he treated him with curiosity. But he never seemed to treat Harry with anything but contempt.

The other thing is the potions book. I think it was planned to be given to Harry. The book belonged to Snapes mother, so it was not a school copy of the book. Snape no doubt would have removed his book when he left the postion of Potions teacher. I think it was gambled that the book would be given to either Harry or Ron, knowing those two would probably take potions when they learned that they needed it. And even if Ron had got it, he would have been showing it to Harry all the time.

As for the Horcurx, Ginny does make sense, not just from the angle that Riddle did say he poured his soul into her, but also that Being from Gryffindor house, she might have made a good alternativeto having an object from Godric Gryffindor (Since, according to Dumbledore, was safe). However, Riddle didn't kill anyone, and to make a Horcrux you have to have killed someone.

And what about the Black house? Is Snape now able to give the location away now that the secret keeper is dead (Never been said how that works).

ANd one small continuity question. At the end McGonagle calls the heads of houses in. Why was Flitwik there? Wasn't Madam Hooch head of Ravenclaw house?



As for who I picture, I pretty much picture who has been in the movies. Wile they've cut parts from the film., I do think their casting has all been fantastic. I picture Harris as Dumbledore, but Gambon's voice and personality.
 
borghe said:
no. I think it was all about Dumbledore making sure what needed to happen happened. He got to the castle, realized it was a trap and what was about to happen, and froze Harry to prevent him from trying to prevent it.

I really didn't think so either, but I'm not terribly sure having thought about it more. The one point that stands out in my mind, when Dumbledore is telling Harry about when Riddle was in the orphanage, and Harry expresses some concern about how he grew up. Dumbledore asks him something like, "You don't feel sorry for him, do you?" and Harry responds emphatically "No!" I don't know, I just seem to recall at times earlier than that, that Dumbledore may've said something like, there's nothing wrong with having compassion for an enemy. Nothing like that though. Dumbledore doesn't seem like the type of dude to have complete enmity for another, no matter what they've done.

Mind you, I still don't think that was Dumbledore's plan. I'm just surprised at how that entire sequence unfolded. Seemed out of character, a bit.
 
as I said earlier, Dumbledore HAD to die. If Dumbledore didn't die, both draco and Snape would have died. I think don't know if Dumbledore has/had plans for Draco, but obviously Snape is VERY important in the scheme of things. If Dumbledore had lived and Draco had died, Snape would have died instantly. If Dumbledore had lived AND Draco had lived, Snape still would have died instantly. If Dumbledore was killed by someone OTHER THAN Draco or Snape, Snape would have died instantly (remember the conditions of the Unbreakable Vow). If Dubledore had died AND Draco had died, Snape would have died instantly. The only way to keep Snape alive was for either Draco or Snape to kill Dumbledore AND for Draco to remain alive.

Now suppose Dumbledore hadn't frozen Harry. Draco would have come in and Harry likely would have killed him (as he almost did before). Snape dies instantly at that point. Now the four Death Eaters come in and kill dumbledore (which they probably could have by that point). Now Dumbledore AND Snape AND Draco are dead, all because Harry was free to act.

Not at all out of character for Dumbledore. He saw the bigger picture which Harry would have been unable to see.
 
I totally and completely missed something, what was the point of the Half-Blood Prince?

I'm aware that Snape is important, but what about HBP? What's the significance of that persona?

And why was Snape prevented from the DADA position all those years?
 
shpankey said:
i tell you what... i'm kinda worried. what if something, God forbid, happens to JKR? man, we need to put people all around her guarding her life and looking out for her. i need my book 7! :D

I read an interview with her somewhere in which she said that she's written the last chapter of Book 7 already and locked it in a vault for just such a possibility.
 
I have to give it a few days to mull over the book, but so far I seem to like how Rowlings handled everything in the book, main plot and romance-wise. I was kind of disappointed in how little development happened in the giants, werewolves, and house elves front though, A few thoughts:

Snape is undoubtedly on the Order's Side. Why would Dumbledore trust him so completely?
"You have no idea of the remorse Professor Snape felt when he realized how Lord Voldemort had interpreted the prophecy. I believe it to be the greatest of his life and the reason he returned -"
Dumbledore, pg. 513
Now why would he think that? Lily Evans. Snape was in love with her, hinted in OOTP in the pensieve memory and also Slughorn's praise of Lily in potions class. He reformed from being a Death Eater BECAUSE his actions led to the direct death of her, reinforcing a theme of love that Voldemort would not know anything about and why he thinks Snape is on his side. It would also explain why Snape hates Harry so much, because he is the living reminder that Lily chose James over him.

As for killing Dumbledore, that was the ultimate act that would remove any doubt in Voldemort's eyes that Snape was loyal to him. Unlike Dumbledore, he always feared death beyond anything else. And like everyone already mentioned, Snape did everything he could to protect Harry near the end, and tried to tell him to close his mouth and protect his mind in order to defeat Voldemort. He'll have a huge role to play in book 7 as well. Can't wait.
 
JackFrost2012 said:
I think the most important conclusion is that I am 250% sure that Snape is actually on the side of good. It's really, really important to note that in Chapter Two he agrees to the Unbreakable Vow WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT IS. He never says anything related to the content of the vow, he just says vagaries to get Narcissa to reveal to him that it's something Voldemort wants her son to do... Even then, he agrees to it without knowing the content of the vow.

I could be very wrong because I only read the chapter once, but I thought that the way the chapter was set up and worded, WE just didn't know what the unbreakable vow was. I thought it was obvious (at the time) that Snape and everyone else in the room knew exactly what it was, but Rowling just set it up to keep us guessing the whole book.
 
GDJustin said:
I could be very wrong because I only read the chapter once, but I thought that the way the chapter was set up and worded, WE just didn't know what the unbreakable vow was. I thought it was obvious (at the time) that Snape and everyone else in the room knew exactly what it was, but Rowling just set it up to keep us guessing the whole book.
very vague. it could be interpreted either way. from the way the chapter was written there is no way to know if Snape really knew what Draco was supposed to do or not.

later on however I think it is fairly apparent that Snape knew Draco was instructed to kill Dumbledore. Whether Snape knew at the time of taking the vow though, I don't think can be answered by anyone except for JKR.
 
Lemming_JRS said:
I read an interview with her somewhere in which she said that she's written the last chapter of Book 7 already and locked it in a vault for just such a possibility.

Alas, no. From a new interview:

Couric: If you, God forbid, got hit by a bus...

Rowling: Yeah, it’s perfectly possible, I’m a very distracted person.

Couric: Does anybody know your ideas for book seven?

Rowling: No.

Couric: Nobody? Not a soul?

Rowling: No.

Couric: Not Neil?

Rowling: I wouldn’t tell— Neil would forget. You know, he wouldn’t be a good person to tell anyway. No, no one knows. Which is good, because if I do get hit by a bus, I would really hate to think someone else was going to take over. It’s my baby.


So, let's all hope for Rowling's continued good health. Meanwhile, I'm still mulling over my own thoughts on the book, which I'll be rambling on about in short order.

FnordChan
 
distantmantra said:
I saw that on Dateline last night... so, what, two years until book seven?
???????????????????

I am ok with her taking her time on this one. she has some lofty expectations (from me at least) to live up to. if it ends up being 2-3 years, all the better I think.
 
she will start writing the new book at the end of this year, said so in the evening news here in UK tonight.
So i expect 2007 release 10years after the first one i believe??

Its gonna be one massive book, Maybe Shigsy should sue her for copying his tri force collectathon!!!
9 million copies sold in the UK and US in 24hrs (2million in UK, 6.9m in US)
it was released in a load more countries too , so i expect over 10m copies sold.

Also security around the seventh book will be massive.
Here in the UK 3 months before the book was released a shit load of bets where made at a bookies in the village where Potter is printed, all the bets where that Dumbeldore died, seems the people at the printers knew, and all went and bet on it.

so hopefully the fucks will all be gagged and bound as the release around this book will be the biggest thing and most hyped, watched and studied thing EVER in human history!!
 
well, if all this protection idea is true.. then why did Dumbledore send Harry into that very same Death Eater full castle, by himself, not a moment before? on a search mission no less. Dumbledore believes in Harry and is not an old woman fraidy cat for him. He just took him on what he considered to be one of the most dangerous missions ever.

also, you are forgetting that when Draco came out alone... had DD not froze Harry he could have dealt with Draco (by himself, not even considering an invisible Harry behind Draco for backup). and Harry's not a killer... he would have simply stupified Draco or something else. proved by the fact Harry doesn't even try to kill Dumbledore's actual killer, after the fact, later.

with the time Draco spends monologuing with Dumbledore, Harry could have been long gone again on his search mission, loooooong before any other Death Eaters arrive. some of you are not considering this time element in your deductions. you act as if Draco came out with Death Eaters.

as i said... this protection idea is not a logical theory.

the only thing i seen in here that makes sense is that Dumbledore wanted Harry to see him die.
 
Yeah, I can't imagine the seventh book NOT being the longest yet. It seems like there's so much to do. Reading HBP and realizing all the could be remaining, I kinda wondered if this wasn't going to go beyond an seventh installment, in spite of what Rowling said.
 
Soul4ger said:
Yeah, I can't imagine the seventh book NOT being the longest yet. It seems like there's so much to do. Reading HBP and realizing all the could be remaining, I kinda wondered if this wasn't going to go beyond an seventh installment, in spite of what Rowling said.

Again Rowling HAS SAID that the last book will be the longest book to date. she will then write something new under a pseudenom(sp)
 
Without reading the thread I will throw out my speculation on who R.A.B actually is. Regulus A? Black. Sirius brother who supposedly, and maybe reall did, die after deserting his Death Eating ways.
 
Forgotten_Taco said:
Without reading the thread I will throw out my speculation on who R.A.B actually is. Regulus A? Black. Sirius brother who supposedly, and maybe reall did, die after deserting his Death Eating ways.

maybe u should of read the topic!!
 
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