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[Shaanyboi]

The editing, particularly in the beginning, was fucking terrible. Once they were on the ground together, interacting, playing off each other, it was pretty okay.

Really really uneven movie. Some good moments sprinkled throughout, but the structure to frame those moments was a total failure. The actors were generally solid. But the script failed alot of them.

 

[DeathyBoy]

They didn't miss it, Joker left her to die alone after the car crashes and for moments walks away when she throws herself in the acid.

Not to mention how she's his property, he's not going to let her go somewhere else. Shown by the scene where he kills Common.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

How did she engineer that? Because if she did, it was fucking stupid.

I get the general idea of her wanting Task Force X, but, for the narrative, it's weak. She has already recruited the members for it before anything happens in the movie. There should've been a moment or something where the problem arises necessitating the creation of Task Force X and following through on Waller's plan.

I don't really get why that's necessary. What's wrong with messing up and salvaging what's left to clean up the mess?

 

[Dominator]

Its possibly they just missed it or his chip just never disabled, but Diablo's picture on the phone when Waller held it up to show she can still blow their heads was still lit. Its possible her survived somehow, but thats just me being optimistic since he was a standout to me lol

 

[Killer Queen]

Its possibly they just missed it or his chip just never disabled, but Diablo's picture on the phone when Waller held it up to show she can still blow their heads was still lit. Its possible her survived somehow, but thats just me being optimistic since he was a standout to me lol

He was great so I really didn't want him to die but character progression wise it's probably best that he did, least the dude gets to be with his family now. But yeah if he weren't dead we'd likely see him back at Belle Reve and he was way too close to that blast to survive if I giant metal man got blown the fuck up.

 

[Shaanyboi]

That Deadshot/Batman scene was fucking terrible. The kid actor was bad, the editing and staging was bad.

 

[broncobuster]

Wow. Way to miss the fucking point WB.

WB did market research and decided the point wouldn't go over well with certain demographics, therefore changed their relationship with re-shoots and cuts.

Not in the movie,

 

[Killer Queen]

That Deadshot/Batman scene was fucking terrible. The kid actor was bad, the editing and staging was bad.

This is another complaint I have, that kid actor was terrible. Literally no emotion and after the greatness that was Batfleck in BvS his scenes in this were pretty lackluster.

WB did market research and decided the point wouldn't go over well with certain demographics, therefore changed their relationship with re-shoots and cuts.

Not in the movie,

Man I'm so sad we didn't get that. The movie could've had some actual substance had it included said scenes and wouldve been a pretty good statement on abusive relationships in general.

 

[heliosRAzi]

I don't really get why that's necessary. What's wrong with messing up and salvaging what's left to clean up the mess?

Would've been stronger. Would've had an actual purpose, so that when it all does go to shit either from within or without, we'd be more engaged. As it is in the movie, it's all just boring.

So why did Katana go into the bar with the criminals she doesn't like instead of the soldiers she has been around. Did she really need a drink.

And man, the team really threw out friends/family towards the end as if they earned it.

 

[DeathyBoy]

He was great so I really didn't want him to die but character progression wise it's probably best that he did, least the dude gets to be with his family now. But yeah if he weren't dead we'd likely see him back at Belle Reve and he was way too close to that blast to survive if I giant metal man got blown the fuck up.

Of course he'd still be lit, he owned that shit homes

 

[Majmun]

Does Deadshot have super reading abilities? He read the big Flag file in two seconds

 

[DeathyBoy]

This is another complaint I have, that kid actor was terrible. Literally no emotion and after the greatness that was Batfleck in BvS his scenes in this were pretty lackluster.

Man I'm so sad we didn't get that. The movie could've had some actual substance had it included said scenes and wouldve been a pretty good statement on abusive relationships in general.

Eh, I can see WB not wanting to stir the hornets nest with Harley being on screen abused and still going with Joker at the end. Like THAT would be an actual shit storm of genuinely bad publicity.

 

[pigeon]

I don't really get why that's necessary. What's wrong with messing up and salvaging what's left to clean up the mess?

Destroys any impact of the story.

Suicide Squad is about a crazy woman who nearly destroys the world for no clear reason. That woman is Amanda Waller, not Enchantress. It's impossible to get any payoff when the main villain of the piece is treated as a relatively minor HERO who ends up getting everything she wants with nobody really noticing that she fucked everything up horribly. Why does she not get put in that prison?

 

[Dynedom]

What the fuck was up with the licensed music every 5 minutes. Did this movie even have a score?

Why the ridiculously corny slow-mo (especially at the end)?

Why did so many things feel so half-done or unfinished? The Flagg/Enchantress romance, Katana's role in the movie, the entire villain motivation? Why were there really no stakes in this movie?

Everything just happens in this movie. It's so awful.

I feel bad for Robbie. She put in a great performance that was deserving of a much better movie. I'm guessing she'll be in the Affleck-directed Batman movie (which I'm sure will see the light of day).

Reboot the fucking DCEU. The properties deserve much better than this.

 

[Killer Queen]

Eh, I can see WB not wanting to stir the hornets nest with Harley being on screen abused and still going with Joker at the end. Like THAT would be an actual shit storm of genuinely bad publicity.

From what I knew they had, I think they had enough to make it fairly obvious that it's not really a good thing combined with the fact that the dudes a psychopath and so is she. But it would only make for a better story in a future film if and when she decides to leave him because he treats her like shit. Without that there are less places to take the character and show real growth. Like they seriously had a lot of great material here so I'm not sure why they ruined it. As for publicity I think plenty of publications would be happy that they put that on screen to raise awareness for that kind of thing and really if anything it's showing that it's not okay more than glorifying it. But I'm sure it would've effected the pg13 (pg here in Canada lol) rating.

What the fuck was up with the licensed music every 5 minutes. Did this movie even have a score?

Why the ridiculously corny slow-mo (especially at the end)?

Why did so many things feel so half-done or unfinished? The Flagg/Enchantress romance, Katana's role in the movie, the entire villain motivation? Why were there really no stakes in this movie?

Everything just happens in this movie. It's so awful.

I feel bad for Robbie. She put in a great performance that was deserving of a much better movie. I'm guessing she'll be in the Affleck-directed Batman movie (which I'm sure will see the light of day).

Reboot the fucking DCEU. The properties deserve much better than this.

Because allegedly Ayer made one version, people didnt take to it too well, they brought some people to do another version and people liked it more, then on top of that they mixed said two versions and apparently thata the version we got except with missing parts and allegedly the people that did the trailers edited the entire final version which I think is why we have so many half baked things along with the ridiculous number of songs.

 

[Dead]

WB did market research and decided the point wouldn't go over well with certain demographics, therefore changed their relationship with re-shoots and cuts.

Not in the movie,

Love Joker's mannerisms in that scene. Sucks it was cut

 

[PartTimeWarrior]

Quite a few people in the audience let out a loud groan near the end when Deadshot had to shoot the explosives when he sees his daughter. What the fuck was the point of that little hallucination anyways?

 

[Dead]

Quite a few people in the audience let out a loud groan near the end when Deadshot had to shoot the explosives when he sees his daughter. What the fuck was the point of that little hallucination anyways?

Enchantress fucking with his mind so that he wouldn't shoot.

 

[Killer Queen]

Quite a few people in the audience let out a loud groan near the end when Deadshot had to shoot the explosives when he sees his daughter. What the fuck was the point of that little hallucination anyways?

Think it was Enchantress trying to stop him from blowing up her whatever. But yeah that was shitty too.

 

[PartTimeWarrior]

Enchantress fucking with his mind so that he wouldn't shoot.

Think it was Enchantress trying to stop him from blowing up her whatever. But yeah that was shitty too.

Wasn't she in a weakened state when that happened?

Edit: for suicide squad 2, cut boomerang and croc. Add Captain Cold and Clayface or Bane

 

[Killer Queen]

Wasn't she in a weakened state when that happened?

Considering the extent of her power I doubt mind games take much effort. She was able to do it before she had her heart also iirc

 

[DeathyBoy]

Quite a few people in the audience let out a loud groan near the end when Deadshot had to shoot the explosives when he sees his daughter. What the fuck was the point of that little hallucination anyways?

I love how the film sucks because people can't be bothered to remember earlier set up.

Deadshot went to Belle Reve because his daughter asked him not to kill Batman. Enchantress showed him a reality where he killed Batman and was with daughter. Deadshot rejected it and shot the explosives to pay off his arc.

I mean... I'm sorry, this isn't a complex film of ambiguous. If people didn't catch the simplicity of his arc, it's their own inability to understand basic storytelling.

 

[Killer Queen]

I love how the film sucks because people can't be bothered to remember earlier set up.

Deadshot went to Belle Reve because his daughter asked him not to kill Batman. Enchantress showed him a reality where he killed Batman and was with daughter. Deadshot rejected it and shot the explosives to pay off his arc.

I mean... I'm sorry, this isn't a complex film of ambiguous. If people didn't catch the simplicity of his arc, it's their own inability to understand basic storytelling.

I think that was just a bad scene lol, I get it but that actor sucked and they could've done something better imo. It also just looked really awkward.

 

[PartTimeWarrior]

I love how the film sucks because people can't be bothered to remember earlier set up.

Deadshot went to Belle Reve because his daughter asked him not to kill Batman. Enchantress showed him a reality where he killed Batman and was with daughter. Deadshot rejected it and shot the explosives to pay off his arc.

I mean... I'm sorry, this isn't a complex film of ambiguous. If people didn't catch the simplicity of his arc, it's their own inability to understand basic storytelling.

I remember that scene but that was after Diablo helped DS reject her reality.

Calm down, little buddy.

 

[broncobuster]

Eh, I can see WB not wanting to stir the hornets nest with Harley being on screen abused and still going with Joker at the end. Like THAT would be an actual shit storm of genuinely bad publicity.

In another scene cut, see gif below, Joker shows up after the helicopter crash to get Harley. She refuses in order to stay and help the Squad. Potentially a great moment showing Harley breaking free of the Joker. By the way, originally he pushes her out of the helicopter.

 

[Killer Queen]

In another scene cut, see gif below, Joker shows up after the helicopter crash to get Harley. She refuses in order to stay and help the Squad. Potentially a great moment showing Harley breaking free of the Joker. By the way, originally he pushes her out of the helicopter.

Agh I'm so disappointed.

 

[Shaanyboi]

The movie's first 20-30 minutes really needed to be redone in editing. Open with June finding Enchantress, and focus on her perspective and her transformation so that we can feel something for this whole... I was going to say subplot, but really it's the plot.

 

[Alcoremortis]

I legit cracked up when that cheerful zany music was playing during the scene showing Superman's funeral. I wasn't sure if that was supposed to be a subversive commentary or if the music editors really messed up but I just couldn't help myself. It was just so jarring to hear what should've been a zany hero entrance song playing while you've got bagpipes and a coffin being paraded through Metropolis.

El Diablo was seriously the best part of this movie, which I wasn't expecting because I didn't know who he was prior to watching. His character arc was pretty solid, and I really liked the transition from volatile gangster to pacifist to self-sacrifice, though it wasn't nearly as good as it could've been. If it had been set up better (like with more and lengthier team building to make that 'you're my family now' comment actually make sense), that bit where he goes all twelve-foot tall flaming skeleton could've been DC's "I'm always angry" moment. That moment should've been hype as fuck and instead it was just presented as 'and now this is happening'.

There was way too much time spent on Deadshot and Harley's backstories at the beginning. Everything shown there was worked in way better later on in the film. It would've been way better to just have Joker bust in and break out Harley from nowhere instead of trying to shoe-horn him into the rest of the movie. It's not like everybody doesn't already know who she is. Same with Deadshot, would've been way more impactful to have him be a jokey tough guy for the whole movie and then shock everyone by asking for time to go help his daughter with her math homework at the end. Then maybe they would have some time to add in a team-building warm up mission and maybe a montage to justify the team actually becoming a team by the end. As it was, nothing felt earned.

And Katana had absolutely nothing to do in this movie. Even Killer Croc had his "No, I'm beautiful!" moment. With Katana, it felt like there was a huge subplot that just vanished. Rick Flagg mentions twice that her sword sucks out people's souls... and then we never get to see the sword suck out anyone's soul. It begs the question of why did they even mention it. It would have sufficed to just say she was sword lady and leave it at that.

 

[Killer Queen]

I legit cracked up when that cheerful zany music was playing during the scene showing Superman's funeral. I wasn't sure if that was supposed to be a subversive commentary or if the music editors really messed up but I just couldn't help myself. It was just so jarring to hear what should've been a zany hero entrance song playing while you've got bagpipes and a coffin being paraded through Metropolis.

El Diablo was seriously the best part of this movie, which I wasn't expecting because I didn't know who he was prior to watching. His character arc was pretty solid, and I really liked the transition from volatile gangster to pacifist to self-sacrifice, though it wasn't nearly as good as it could've been. If it had been set up better (like with more and lengthier team building to make that 'you're my family now' comment actually make sense), that bit where he goes all twelve-foot tall flaming skeleton could've been DC's "I'm always angry" moment.

There was way too much time spent on Deadshot and Harley's backstories at the beginning. Everything shown there was worked in way better later on in the film. It would've been way better to just have Joker bust in and break out Harley from nowhere instead of trying to shoe-horn him into the rest of the movie. It's not like everybody doesn't already know who she is. Same with Deadshot, would've been way more impactful to have him be a jokey tough guy for the whole movie and then shock everyone by asking for time to go help his daughter with her math homework at the end. Then maybe they would have some time to add in a team-building warm up mission and maybe a montage to justify the team actually becoming a team by the end. As it was, nothing felt earned.

And Katana had absolutely nothing to do in this movie. Even Killer Croc had his "No, I'm beautiful!" moment. With Katana, it felt like there was a huge subplot that just vanished. Rick Flagg mentions twice that her sword sucks out people's souls... and then we never get to see the sword suck out anyone's soul. It begs the question of why did they even mention it. It would have sufficed to just say she was sword lady and leave it at that.

Like shown above, lots of Joker stuff got cut to the point where there isn't too much of a point of him being around, Katana had some of her scenes cut too but if anything shouldve been cut I agree that it would've been more impactful had they saved the daughter stuff until the end and for the love of God removed both of those dumb scenes.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Agh I'm so disappointed.

This scene was cut among others. It builds on Harley Quinn's relationship as it is portrayed in the original cut of movie. The scene is about HQ rejecting Joker. The reason she rejects him is because of the abusive nature of his relationship with her in the original cut.

They cut all of the scenes illustrating joker's abusive nature towards HQ, because that would be too dark. Critics and the public who are not that well versed in the joker and HQ story would have eaten this movie alive if they hadn't cut this aspect of the movie. It's a delicate subject and it's about a real life issue. WB isn't not going to take this chance after the BvS fiasco, and especially not by dealing with an issue this important at such a delicate time for the DC franchise.

It stands to reason that they'd cut this scene because leaving it in wouldn't make any sense. Why would HQ reject the joker without the aforementioned abusive relationship not having been shown?

 

[DeathyBoy]

I remember that scene but that was after Diablo helped DS reject her reality.

Calm down, little buddy.

Yes, so Enchantress tried to guilt trip him with "Daddy, don't shoot." Only this time Deadshot shoots. And yes, people ignoring obvious plot points bugs me.

In another scene cut, see gif below, Joker shows up after the helicopter crash to get Harley. She refuses in order to stay and help the Squad. Potentially a great moment showing Harley breaking free of the Joker. By the way, originally he pushes her out of the helicopter.

I did think they were heading that route actually.

 

[Dynedom]

That final Deadshot/Daughter scene doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.

El Diablo just pulled them out of the illusion. The scene would have worked better if he had a chance to end it and almost pulled out until Harle/el Diablo/someone convinced him not to. I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it was originally envisioned.

Otherwise what was the point? "Dad if you shoot this, we can't be together?". Is Deadshoot such a dumb character that he could be pulled and fall for the same shit twice? If he saves humanity, he can't see his daughter? =\

Instead, it's just another excuse for some emotional slow-mo.

 

[Killer Queen]

This scene was cut among others. It builds on Harley Quinn's relationship as it is portrayed in the original cut of movie. The scene is about HQ rejecting Joker. The reason she rejects him is because of the abusive nature of his relationship with her.

They cut all of the scenes illustrating joker's abusive nature towards HQ, because that would be too dark. Critics and the public who are not that well versed in the joker and HQ story would have eaten this movie alive if they hadn't cut this aspect of the movie. It's a delicate subject and it's about a real life issue.

It stands to reason that they'd cut this scene because leaving it in wouldn't make any sense. Why would HQ reject the joker without the aforementioned abusive relationship not having been shown?

I mean I'm disappointed about the entire subplot being removed because I think it would've been great to see on screen and another one of the reasons I wouldve preferred the original version to hit the screen instead of what we got. Just seems like it was a lot more well thought out and well crafted and cutting it up and changing it kinda ruined a lot of the movie. Had they released the original i think that the reviews would've been better but the issue is the way they marketed it and the BvS backlash and BvS's problems don't come from it being dark, they come from shit like Martha and Doomsday along with odd edits and omissions. So it looks like DC learned the wrong lessons.

That final Deadshot/Daughter scene doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.

El Diablo just pulled them out of the illusion. The scene would have worked better if he had a chance to end it and almost pulled out until Harle/el Diablo/someone convinced him not to. I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it was originally envisioned.

Otherwise what was the point? "Dad if you shoot this, we can't be together?". Is Deadshoot such a dumb character that he could be pulled and fall for the same shit twice? If he saves humanity, he can't see his daughter? =

Instead, it's just another excuse for some emotional slow-mo.

She made another one? They weren't all in one illusion. She was in their individual heads and its obviously not hard to get back in.

 

[Cuburt]

Quite a few people in the audience let out a loud groan near the end when Deadshot had to shoot the explosives when he sees his daughter. What the fuck was the point of that little hallucination anyways?

The point was to make the GotG homage complete:

Bio cards: check

roundtable character riffing (bar scene): check

character with a cutesy idiosyncratic obsession: check

slow motion end sequence with loved one hallucination to help them: check

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Didn't have a cringe "Dance off bro!" moment though.

 

[Dynedom]

She made another one? They weren't all in one illusion. She was in their individual heads and its obviously not hard to get back in.

I'm saying her trying to mindhack Deadshot twice just didn't really work. I think it would have been effective if she used it once at true high stakes. The second hack just came across as corny. =\ I think that's why you may hear the groans from people. I think I heard one of my friends blurt out "oh for fuck's sake" during that scene too haha.

Then again, this movie had an issue with stakes to begin with...

 

[DeathyBoy]

That final Deadshot/Daughter scene doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.

El Diablo just pulled them out of the illusion. The scene would have worked better if he had a chance to end it and almost pulled out until Harle/el Diablo/someone convinced him not to. I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it was originally envisioned.

Otherwise what was the point? "Dad if you shoot this, we can't be together?". Is Deadshoot such a dumb character that he could be pulled and fall for the same shit twice? If he saves humanity, he can't see his daughter? =

Instead, it's just another excuse for some emotional slow-mo.

Well given earlier in the film he was told he had no negotiating power, and he's rotting in prison, I think it's safe to assume the only guarantee he'll see his daughter is from Enchantress. She makes one last play, Deadshot chooses to reject it, and thus earns good will with Waller so she lets him see his daughter.

 

[Killer Queen]

I'm saying her trying to mindhack Deadshot twice just didn't really work. I think it would have been effective if she used it once at true high stakes. The second hack just came across as corny. = I think that's why you may hear the groans from people. I think I heard one of my friends blurt out "oh for fuck's sake" during that scene too haha.

Then again, this problem had an issue with stakes to begin with...

I'm not saying it's not corny and i hate that scene too, I'm just saying it does make sense. It's just a bad scene.

 

[Dynedom]

Well given earlier in the film he was told he had no negotiating power, and he's rotting in prison, I think it's safe to assume the only guarantee he'll see his daughter is from Enchantress. She makes one last play, Deadshot chooses to reject it, and thus earns good will with Waller so she lets him see his daughter.

Why would it have worked the second time if it didn't work the first? I know it's Enchantress grasping at straws but it just comes across as incompetent on her part.

That scene would have worked out better if he hadn't been hacked before. He would have had to face the trial once and overcome it at the highest possible stakes.

Facing it twice is beating a dead horse.

 

[Cuburt]

Didn't have a cringe "Dance off bro!" moment though.

Come on they didn't want to get accused of plagiarism...

Enchantress: "Dance off, bro!"

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

True, though atleast I could laugh at how silly she looked, like one of those 80's B movies.
There was nothing B movie about the Dance off moment tho. It was straight tumblr level meme generation. I don't even want to post the gif. It's so cringe.

 

[Broken Joystick]

I actually like that Deadshot bit where he sees his daughter before pulling the trigger, because it was probably the first moment in the entire film where I actually fucking felt something. It's not a particularly good bit, but it actually had a bit of an impact. Big Willie always gives me something.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

Would've been stronger. Would've had an actual purpose, so that when it all does go to shit either from within or without, we'd be more engaged. As it is in the movie, it's all just boring.

Destroys any impact of the story.

Suicide Squad is about a crazy woman who nearly destroys the world for no clear reason. That woman is Amanda Waller, not Enchantress. It's impossible to get any payoff when the main villain of the piece is treated as a relatively minor HERO who ends up getting everything she wants with nobody really noticing that she fucked everything up horribly. Why does she not get put in that prison?

That's why I said these earlier:

Waller's misstep doesn't necessarily means the film's misstep. I think they still could be able to keep the general plot by emphasizing Waller's role as "the actual main antagonists who ultimately got what she wanted."

Just make her interactions with the Squad more pronounced right from the beginning. Maybe make her the Director of Belle Reve. Maintain her as the focus of the Squad's hate. Then make the movie less about saving the world and more about surviving the mess Waller created.

My point is, the problem is not in the technicality on how the Squad came into being. The problem is in the presentation of roles. There's no need to make Waller pull a contrived "every single thing is my plan all along" to put her in a hateable antagonistic role and get the Squad through an engaging fight-for-survival scenario.

 

[DeathyBoy]

Why would it have worked the second time if it didn't work the first? I know it's Enchantress grasping at straws but it just comes across as incompetent on her part.

That scene would have worked out better if he hadn't been hacked before. He would have had to face the trial once and overcome it at the highest possible stakes.

Facing it twice is beating a dead horse.

The only thing that annoyed me was the slow-mo mouth opening.

 

[Cuburt]

True, though atleast I could laugh at how silly she looked, like one of those 80's B movies.
There was nothing B movie about the Dance off moment tho. It was straight tumblr level meme generation. I don't even want to post the gif. It's so cringe.

GotG's dance off was meant to be a joke.

I'm not convinced that Enchantress' dancing was trying to be humorous at all.

 

[DeathyBoy]

GotG's dance off was meant to be a joke.

I'm not convinced that Enchantress' dancing was trying to be humorous at all.

Something for Cara to do to break up "lol machines are bad" speeches.

 

[Protome]

Enchantress could teleport even without her heart, why didn't she just grab the bomb and teleport it.

That whole last section felt like a poorly structured videogame boss fight.

 

[Cuburt]

Why would it have worked the second time if it didn't work the first? I know it's Enchantress grasping at straws but it just comes across as incompetent on her part.

That scene would have worked out better if he hadn't been hacked before. He would have had to face the trial once and overcome it at the highest possible stakes.

Facing it twice is beating a dead horse.

I didn't take it as Enchantress messing with his mind.

I took it as just his conscience about his daughter not approving of his killing but he had to realize he was doing it for the right reason, for her, to pull the trigger.

There was no other smoke or sign to signify it was mind magic like earlier, although the previous flashbacks had all sorts of trippy visual cues so that isn't a definite clue.

 

[Poona]

Not in the movie,

Wow.. yeah I just remembered these scenes (around the same time we saw Batman on Joker's car too being filmed), and I think Harleen on a motorbike? Such a bummer we missed out on this in the film. Really don't want it to be lost. Hopefully it makes it to the blu-ray at least.

How much other footage is out there I wonder. Think there was something with Croc and Batman too being talked about.

 

[Killer Queen]

I didn't take it as Enchantress messing with his mind.

I took it as just his conscience about his daughter not approving of his killing but he had to realize he was doing it for the right reason, for her, to pull the trigger.

There was no other smoke or sign to signify it was mind magic like earlier, although the previous flashbacks had all sorts of trippy visual cues so that isn't a definite clue.

She was looking directly at him, had it have been a flashback I think he would've flashed back to the actual scene instead of his daughter Infront of him. Having his daughter Infront of him stops him from pulling the trigger which is what Enchantress wanted.