I'm going to assume his healing factor isnt amazing but it's there. I mean who knows how much time passed between the rebuilding school to the danger room scene. He was primed for combat by that point so.
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[SPOILER THREAD] X-Men: Apocalypse
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I'm going to assume his healing factor isnt amazing but it's there. I mean who knows how much time passed between the rebuilding school to the danger room scene. He was primed for combat by that point so.
I enjoyed the movie but confused as how the series can continue if it is eventually going to catch up with the original trilogy.
Jean meets Wolverine but in the original movies she meets him for presumably the first time.
Everyone meets Nightcrawler but then in the original movies, they meet him again for the first time?
Why was Angel used when in a previous movie they gave his origin story as trying to cut his wings off and then fully embracing them? If this movie took place way before the original trilogy, I don't understand how he would be the age they casted him as.
It's like they try to honor the original movies but then selected the same Mutants to use again instead of the hundreds of other mutants they could have featured and brought to focus.
Jean meets Wolverine but in the original movies she meets him for presumably the first time.
Everyone meets Nightcrawler but then in the original movies, they meet him again for the first time?
Why was Angel used when in a previous movie they gave his origin story as trying to cut his wings off and then fully embracing them? If this movie took place way before the original trilogy, I don't understand how he would be the age they casted him as.
It's like they try to honor the original movies but then selected the same Mutants to use again instead of the hundreds of other mutants they could have featured and brought to focus.
HeartlessNobody213
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A couple of people clapped when wolverine showed up. I immediately thought of GAF.
Any ways, I gave my thoughts in the box office thread. Thought it was good but the third act was a let down. I do think the new cast was the best part. I didn't mind Sophie Turner as Jean but the scene at the end with her just staring at Prof X before she finally helped him had me internally shaking my head.
I think Oscar Issac is a great actor but his Apocalypse did nothing for me. A couple of cool scenes here and there but overall he didn't feel intimidating enough.
I'm interested to see where they go from here but this film kind of solidifies for me that the X-Men films, while enjoyable, still haven't reached that next level yet.
Any ways, I gave my thoughts in the box office thread. Thought it was good but the third act was a let down. I do think the new cast was the best part. I didn't mind Sophie Turner as Jean but the scene at the end with her just staring at Prof X before she finally helped him had me internally shaking my head.
I think Oscar Issac is a great actor but his Apocalypse did nothing for me. A couple of cool scenes here and there but overall he didn't feel intimidating enough.
I'm interested to see where they go from here but this film kind of solidifies for me that the X-Men films, while enjoyable, still haven't reached that next level yet.
Miles Quaritch
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Pretty sure they said the timeline reset after Days of the Future Past.
Could be wrong though.
Could be wrong though.
Pilgrimzero
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My nits:
Why couldn't Kirt teleport out of the cage at the beginning?
Scotts beam isn't a heat ray.
Why didn't Apoc use the nukes? Drop them on a few major cities and call it a day.
Psylocke was not only lame but also evil.
Jubes was under used.
Does every film on this trilogy have to have the fall and rise of Magneto?
Awesome stuff: Storm. Quicksilver was amazing. More Wolvie so yea. Phoenix
Why couldn't Kirt teleport out of the cage at the beginning?
Scotts beam isn't a heat ray.
Why didn't Apoc use the nukes? Drop them on a few major cities and call it a day.
Psylocke was not only lame but also evil.
Jubes was under used.
Does every film on this trilogy have to have the fall and rise of Magneto?
Awesome stuff: Storm. Quicksilver was amazing. More Wolvie so yea. Phoenix
SuperStiltzkin
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Days of Future Past reset everything so every movie before it is it's own timeline and everything after it is a separate one. Notice Cyclops and Jean aren't dead in the future. So it will connect to the end of DoFP and not the beginning of X1 onwards.
Made it seem like Sinister was going to be a focal point of the next Wolverine movie rather than the next X-Men movie.
The original movies are pretty much completely undone. Or they happened in very different ways. Everything from Days of Future Past onward is presumably a totally new thing that didn't happen in the original timeline.
As far mutants like Angel appearing this early, or Jubilee apparently being at the school for like 18 years, that's just a continuity issue people will have to just accept and move on with these movies. Clearly FOX doesn't have a well thought-out plan about handling that shit.
The fence had an electrical current running through it.
I kinda wish they used Quicksilver's scene in a more dramatic capacity than a comedic one. I mean, it's fine to try and do a longer version of DoFP's scene, but what if there was something that really challenged Quicksilver and he was going to his limits trying to save people?
That does bring up the question, did the X-Men also face Apocalypse in the original pre-DoFP timeline? We can assume that they did, since Charles is bald in both timelines and apparently that's what caused his baldness as it seems part of the body switcheroo involves the new body going bald.
But it would have been a completely different confrontation with different mutants playing different roles on different sides. Except in both timeliness Charles was saved just in the nick of time right before Apocalypse took over his body.
Which is super dumb.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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It's not really the first four mutants he meets though. After Storm he meets Caliban (who's also a mutant) and Psylocke. He goes there specifically because he knows that's the plaace all the mutants go through. He dismisses Caliban and then Psylocke tells him where to find the good mutants. So it's not like he did this randomly except for Storm.
Apocalypse got Storm because she's the first mutant he sees, and with potential. They go to Caliban to get info on powerful mutants, which Psylock obliged to, leading to Angel to join up (lol).
But Apocalypse was really set on Magneto from before Caliban, after seeing him in footage when he was learning through the TV.
But Apocalypse was really set on Magneto from before Caliban, after seeing him in footage when he was learning through the TV.
Considering Angel was introduced in X3, I'd say they planned on getting TO Apocalypse. You just don't do Apocalypse without some version of Archangel.
Xavier maybe just went bald from using Cerebro or whatever.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Angel is also around the same age he is in X3, which takes place like 20 years later. Maybe it's not the same character?
Shouta
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Watched it, pretty lukewarm on the whole thing. It really doesn't do anything for most of the film and feels really tired aside from the Quicksilver sequence until the last sequence but even that didn't feel particularly inspired. Lots of wtf moments throughout it too.
It was a huge missed opportunity to not have a good mid-movie action sequence so they could show how powerful Apocalypse was. Just doing the feats didn't really convey anything imposing about him at all. They really could have shown the other mutants as well there.
It was a huge missed opportunity to not have a good mid-movie action sequence so they could show how powerful Apocalypse was. Just doing the feats didn't really convey anything imposing about him at all. They really could have shown the other mutants as well there.
I think the only reason that Apocalypse even woke up was because sunlight hit that pyramid thing. In the original timeline, I guess we can assume that those four dudes forever worshiped the pyramid in the dark and Apocalypse never actually wakes up. As for why that was the difference (ie, Moira going there where she might not have done in the original timeline) is because of butterfly effect shit after the events of DOFP.
As for Xaiver being bald, I guess one can say that Xaiver would have went bald regardless; this movie just makes him bald a lot sooner.
Spiritwalker
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Quicksilver was awesome and probably had the best scenes in the movie. Also enjoyed Magneto going crazy with his powers. That said, the previous two movies were much better.
thecouncil
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So, in this timeline, I guess Beast and Havok are around 40 or older? It's 20 years after First Class. They looked pretty good. The next movie is in the 90s and they'll look the same, I'm guessing. But, all of a sudden, Beast will turn into Frazier.
Anyway, why did Apocalypse need 4 horseman beside it just being a gag? I felt like they really didn't do anything and certainly didn't do anything specific. So why 4 and not 15?
All Apocalypse did was shout for 60 minutes about the same nonsense, then stand on rocks with those dorks for another 20 and then forget how powerful he was at the end.
I'll also never understand the "third movies are shit" joke. Pssst! You're IN the third movie, Jean. And if that was written as a joke on itself, I'm not sure why I was there. What movie admits to being awful after its too late for you to return your ticket? Haha.
Anyway, why did Apocalypse need 4 horseman beside it just being a gag? I felt like they really didn't do anything and certainly didn't do anything specific. So why 4 and not 15?
All Apocalypse did was shout for 60 minutes about the same nonsense, then stand on rocks with those dorks for another 20 and then forget how powerful he was at the end.
I'll also never understand the "third movies are shit" joke. Pssst! You're IN the third movie, Jean. And if that was written as a joke on itself, I'm not sure why I was there. What movie admits to being awful after its too late for you to return your ticket? Haha.
thecouncil
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That's what I'm saying. Why not get 10 more mutants to cover him? Why 4, specifically? He wasn't picky in the mutant collection anyway.
entremet
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You are right. Surprised how many people forgot this lol.
super-heated plasma
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Just saw it. DOFP was better. Uh why didn't quicksilver tell magneto he was his son? The world's at stake and that could have stopped him. Because reasons? Thought that was dumb.
1 - it was eletrified or something. Like the cell they get locked in the middle of the movie. I think they even say it out loud
2 - it isnt. Did they make it as a heat ray in any part of the movie? I dint paid attention to it
3 - i dont know... maybe the nukes would be too much and just nulify the whole humanity, instead of leaving "the strong" alive. Maybe
4 - yes. Her last second of screen time is terrible. Not the actress fault.
5 - Yes but i have faith the uncut version will be The Jubilee Cut
6 - its really pathetic that the same thing happened in 6 movies. But i still love em all
Bobby Roberts
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it sets shit on fire constantly.
There will be no uncut version. This is all you get.
The deleted scenes will be an extra on the home release.
Dude, he got angel. What could go wrong?
AlfredX1990
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Alternatively, Charles went bald naturally in the original timeline
Maybe it was his
thecouncil
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How come my theater was only half filled yesterday despite being opening night in the US? ( It's really unusual for a movie like this at the theater I go to. )
Why is this thread moving so slowly?
Does anyone care about these movies anymore?
Why is this thread moving so slowly?
Does anyone care about these movies anymore?
deadscreensky
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Of course you are. You're continuing to ignore my stated major point -- that this form of static, character development-lacking narrative storytelling is inherently juvenile in both origin and form, and unappealing in a dramatic film -- to instead argue about what a "kid" is or isn't and what demographic is being aimed at by a bunch of comic writers in a measly ~2 decades of an artform that has been around since at least the 1930s, and arguably much earlier.
You probably understand this already: if you're young and get upset getting called a "kid" (synonyms: young person, minor, juvenile, adolescent, teenager, youth), that's not a strong argument for maturity. 12-year-olds wouldn't like it either, it doesn't change what they literally are. Bonus: since we're talking about something that takes place in the 80s, here's the lyrics to a popular song of that era.
No sarcasm is implied here: you wrote some good posts, I found them interesting and agree with a lot of what you're saying, but I have almost zero interest in a semantics discussion. This post was the extent of any interest I can muster up, at least.
Our time would be better spent figuring out why all these people can't understand that Days of Future Past reset the timeline.
formasymphonic
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Isaac was wasted. McAvoy and Fassbender were wasted. Jaw was overused.
Jubilee, Psylocke and Storm were all criminally under-utilised.
Nightcrawler and Scott got some decent treatment. Wolverine was savage.
They fully dived into Phoenix already no plans to save that for future films at all. And that shot where Charles is asking for help and Jean is just looking at him doing nothing went on for too long.
Quicksilver got a scenestealer section to himself once more, only it was a blatant "hey guys, remember that thing you enjoyed from the last film - here is more!!!". Felt cheap.
Not as cheap as them trying to re-use Auschwitz. It made sense in FC, but didn't need to be here.
First Class and DoFP were much better.
This didn't feel like a movie made by people who like or care about X-men. It felt like a movie put together from focus testing what they "think" people like about the previous X-men movies.
Jubilee, Psylocke and Storm were all criminally under-utilised.
Nightcrawler and Scott got some decent treatment. Wolverine was savage.
They fully dived into Phoenix already no plans to save that for future films at all. And that shot where Charles is asking for help and Jean is just looking at him doing nothing went on for too long.
Quicksilver got a scenestealer section to himself once more, only it was a blatant "hey guys, remember that thing you enjoyed from the last film - here is more!!!". Felt cheap.
Not as cheap as them trying to re-use Auschwitz. It made sense in FC, but didn't need to be here.
First Class and DoFP were much better.
This didn't feel like a movie made by people who like or care about X-men. It felt like a movie put together from focus testing what they "think" people like about the previous X-men movies.
FUBAR McDangles
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I thought the parallel with Mags and his initial time in Auschwitz and his daughter in the forest was pretty damn good. Then they hammered in that point so much it became a bit lame. Her powers were really cool.
Angel dying was really lame. I liked the little bit we saw of him. The old 4 Horsemen were cool as hell.
Really hope McAvoy and Fassbender come back. I could go either way with JLaw. Her acting wasn't all that great, but I think a lot of that was because the writers/director chose to focus so much on her. In a lesser role I think she would have been fine.
How did it not fit thematically?
Sweet dreams are made of this
Who am I to disagree
Travel the world and the seven seas
Everybody looking for something
Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused.
I'm not sure how a song could better reflect what Quicksilver and the X-Men are going through.
Quicksilver is literally looking for his family, his father, and what to do with his life the entire film. He gets captured by Stryker to be used in experiments and to figure out what happened to Xavier and the nukes. He and the others are almost certainly abused or are going to be abused by Stryker and humanity as a whole.
I thought the song coordinates well with his actions.
He's already stated how he always fails. He's clearly nervous and visibly wants to tell Magneto he is his son. But he is scared of what will happen. Should he have said something? Yeah. But I can't blame him or fault him for not saying anything. Going either way made sense to me.
Went to a noon showing today and there were maybe 10 people there. Usually floats between 20-30 for these types of blockbusters. Not sure what that means for the franchise.
Agreed. There is no possible way they line up.
In the new timeline, Nightcrawler has the markings on his skin at a young age. He meets Jean and Storm at the age of 16 or whatever they are supposed to be. Jean and Wolverine meet each other in 1983. Mystique is a staple of the X-Men and while she has a friendly relationship with Erik, it is more brother/sister. Angel is in his late teens to early 20s in 1983. And seemingly dies. Stryker seemingly hates mutants from Day One and wants Professor X found and/or dead. Jean uses her Phoenix powers in 1983. Xavier encourages her to learn about her powers and learn to control them.
In the old timeline Jean and Wolverine don't meet each other until ~2000. Nightcrawler meets Jean and Storm in X2 in ~2003. He only has the markings on his skin because he disfigures himself as punishment for the sins he has committed before and during his work for Stryker. Mystique is hardly anything more than Magneto's lackey. Angel is in X3 as an 18 year old. Stryker sends his son to Xavier's school initially, before pulling him out. Jean uses her Phoenix powers for the first time in ~2003, then fully embraces them later on. Xavier controlled her powers and blocked them from her for a long time.
They aren't going to connect. DOFP reset things. Allows for differences in birth dates and how old people are.
Angel dying was really lame. I liked the little bit we saw of him. The old 4 Horsemen were cool as hell.
Really hope McAvoy and Fassbender come back. I could go either way with JLaw. Her acting wasn't all that great, but I think a lot of that was because the writers/director chose to focus so much on her. In a lesser role I think she would have been fine.
How did it not fit thematically?
Sweet dreams are made of this
Who am I to disagree
Travel the world and the seven seas
Everybody looking for something
Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused.
I'm not sure how a song could better reflect what Quicksilver and the X-Men are going through.
Quicksilver is literally looking for his family, his father, and what to do with his life the entire film. He gets captured by Stryker to be used in experiments and to figure out what happened to Xavier and the nukes. He and the others are almost certainly abused or are going to be abused by Stryker and humanity as a whole.
I thought the song coordinates well with his actions.
He's already stated how he always fails. He's clearly nervous and visibly wants to tell Magneto he is his son. But he is scared of what will happen. Should he have said something? Yeah. But I can't blame him or fault him for not saying anything. Going either way made sense to me.
Went to a noon showing today and there were maybe 10 people there. Usually floats between 20-30 for these types of blockbusters. Not sure what that means for the franchise.
Agreed. There is no possible way they line up.
In the new timeline, Nightcrawler has the markings on his skin at a young age. He meets Jean and Storm at the age of 16 or whatever they are supposed to be. Jean and Wolverine meet each other in 1983. Mystique is a staple of the X-Men and while she has a friendly relationship with Erik, it is more brother/sister. Angel is in his late teens to early 20s in 1983. And seemingly dies. Stryker seemingly hates mutants from Day One and wants Professor X found and/or dead. Jean uses her Phoenix powers in 1983. Xavier encourages her to learn about her powers and learn to control them.
In the old timeline Jean and Wolverine don't meet each other until ~2000. Nightcrawler meets Jean and Storm in X2 in ~2003. He only has the markings on his skin because he disfigures himself as punishment for the sins he has committed before and during his work for Stryker. Mystique is hardly anything more than Magneto's lackey. Angel is in X3 as an 18 year old. Stryker sends his son to Xavier's school initially, before pulling him out. Jean uses her Phoenix powers for the first time in ~2003, then fully embraces them later on. Xavier controlled her powers and blocked them from her for a long time.
They aren't going to connect. DOFP reset things. Allows for differences in birth dates and how old people are.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Oh okay
Thanks.
I think the disconnect was more tonal than thematic: The movie up until that point was pretty serious, and something very serious had just happened. And then an extended comedy scene breaks out. It's very fun, full of very clever sight gags, and then once it's done, we jet right back into "holy shit people got blown up oh fuck here comes the government holy shit its that one Warboy the Stifler-looking asshole, he's stealing everyone goddammit."
Basically, the lead-in and lead-out from Quicksilver's star turn wasn't handled smoothly at all, and Quicksilver's Bugs Bunny-esque treatment of the situation makes the preceding and following situations seem sillier than they were intended to come across.
Thank you both
I have to go rewatch Days of Future Past. Good to know!
PreFire
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foxuzamaki
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Wtf is essex my limited xmen knowledge kinda vaguely remembers the name at best
Quicksilver da bes tho
Quicksilver da bes tho
yeah I thought that was odd
I think Mystique is just having a hard time wrapping her head around Erik settling down, getting married, having a kid, and then having another kid all along. And she doesn't even know about Wanda and Lorna yet.
Wolfe
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I went into this movie with little to no expectations, really enjoyed it in the end.
Really love how they did quicksilver in this and DoFP, such a fun way to portray that ability. The MCU quicksilver on the other hand was so bland and boring they had to kill him off (hyuk hyuk).
Besides, how brilliant is it to take a character with superhuman speed and instead of showing him zipping around in a blur all the time (yaaaawwwwwwnn) they slow the world down and let the viewer experience time as the character does. Edit: also Sweet Dreams as his theme song for this movie was fucking rad lol.
So good.
As for the movie as a whole I was satisfied, to take a character like apoc and put him to the live action screen without making it a total cringe fest over how it could have been is an A in my book. Surprisingly Scott was my favorite character of the movie but I'm still soured on how they killed off Havok and how little was said about it (outside of Scott's on screen grief).
Angel is dead btw guys, I know there was a little confusion (lost track of if this got settled) but he ends up inside the jet/plane thing (psylocke cuts the roof open and he flys in) right as nightcrawler teleports the team away and then it fucking crashes into the ground and explodes.
The scene where Apoc spots him he's a bloody mess seen lying motionless in the wreckage and Apoc says something to the tune of "worthless" or whatever while showing visible disappointment.
Really love how they did quicksilver in this and DoFP, such a fun way to portray that ability. The MCU quicksilver on the other hand was so bland and boring they had to kill him off (hyuk hyuk).
Besides, how brilliant is it to take a character with superhuman speed and instead of showing him zipping around in a blur all the time (yaaaawwwwwwnn) they slow the world down and let the viewer experience time as the character does. Edit: also Sweet Dreams as his theme song for this movie was fucking rad lol.
So good.
As for the movie as a whole I was satisfied, to take a character like apoc and put him to the live action screen without making it a total cringe fest over how it could have been is an A in my book. Surprisingly Scott was my favorite character of the movie but I'm still soured on how they killed off Havok and how little was said about it (outside of Scott's on screen grief).
Angel is dead btw guys, I know there was a little confusion (lost track of if this got settled) but he ends up inside the jet/plane thing (psylocke cuts the roof open and he flys in) right as nightcrawler teleports the team away and then it fucking crashes into the ground and explodes.
The scene where Apoc spots him he's a bloody mess seen lying motionless in the wreckage and Apoc says something to the tune of "worthless" or whatever while showing visible disappointment.
foxuzamaki
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Yeah, everytime I watch a scene with magneto and mystique I just think back to x3 and how he just said "bye bitch" to her when she lost her powers
Quicksilver scene...isn't that a feat flash accomplished and was considered extraordinary? Quicksilver isn't as fast. Great scene, but I immediately thought of that.
I do have to admit I like how they show that everything around quicksilver is always slow/he's always going fast.
I do have to admit I like how they show that everything around quicksilver is always slow/he's always going fast.
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