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I think it's definitely possible that R2 was just monitoring events as they happened and woke up at what he thought was the appropriate time.
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Low power mode ≠ off
I think it's definitely possible that R2 was just monitoring events as they happened and woke up at what he thought was the appropriate time.
ROTS is the worst star wars film...period
Anton Sugar
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I think that gif is directed at the puzzling idea that she's a terrible actor, not her accent.
Well, in my opinion, she was pretty poor.....
bananafactory
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Both - but yes, primarily the acting gripe. She was excellent.
brandonh83
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All I know is that I didn't feel like I was watching 4. It's only when you step back and peel everything back and connect things that you can see the connections, but the actual story and tone were different unless you're being super basic about it.
Well I'm convinced.
LookAtMeGo
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Thats not how the force works!!
Fine Ham Abounds
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The force has R2 sensibilities though
bananafactory
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Yeah same. I actually think it's a testament to what a great job they did that while on paper the beats look very similar, the movie feels almost nothing like A New Hope.
SmackAttack
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I really liked that scene and I really liked that character. He so badly wants to be on the dark side that he's fighting himself.
StalkerUKCG
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Just watched it today.
Good stuff all round. It's likely been discussed but this is what is floating around in my head.
Good stuff all round. It's likely been discussed but this is what is floating around in my head.
- Kylo Ren was a really great villain. Well humanized and not really a cookie cutter bad guy.
- It's far and away the best of the 7 movies simply because it's much better acted than the prequels and it takes the few elements that made the prequels fun and adds them to a story that feels very original trilogy.
- Phasma was fucking awful. Literally pointless, for someone with so much limelight post launch I expected something of her.
- Snoke is an awful name
- Snoke being 35 foot tall would have been awesome but apparently he is only 7ft
- I fully expect Snoke to be revealed as Darth Plagieus, He looks fairly similar, He is "wise" and apparently the music during the snoke reveal is the same as when Palpatine is talking about him in RoTS
- I fully expect Rey to be Lukes daughter, her having those flashbacks and R2 waking when she gets to the base
- Poe was an excellent character, I'd like to see much more.
yeah, but the only difference between pre-battle and post-battle was Rey being there.
The light saber, Finn, Han, Leia, BB8, the flash drive with the map. All there.
And i don't think he'd be like "oh, they have a battle to win right now" *hits internal snooze button*
He could've still woken up already.
So what triggered him must have been either Han dying or Rey arriving.
The Elite
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It was mentioned but there was shit to be done so it took a back seat to the current threat as Starkiller base prepared to fire again.
brandonh83
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This is ALMOST what I replied with lol. Great minds and such.
They were supporters of the rebellion. And by the rest of the movie it feels like half a day passed after they blew up so I'm sure they will deal with that fallout some time in the future.
Calcium
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Or R2 really was in low power mode and Luke activated him remotely when he sensed his daughter "awakening".
TheForceWithin
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I see R2 being like Anakin/Luke's and now Rey's lightsaber. By being the property of 2 very connected powerful force users, R2 has become sort of like a force relic that the force can work though.
I mean it's not like she's supposed to have a British accent or anything.
It's authentic Jakku speak
JumPeRJumPzZ
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And both got tears in their eyes after seeing each other. I expect the same.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Now I'm wondering if radiowaves use hyperspace in Star Wars...
Rey spends half the fight running yet is somehow owning Ren.
These aren't the force users of the prequels. As much as I side with a lightsaber having no weight and thus being used prequel style, it really sterilized the fights. It looks good but there's no emotion behind it.
In TFA nobody was doing anything more than competent melee work. Ren was a bit better than Rey and Finn which is why he put Finn to bed, had Rey on the ropes, all while injured.
Ren's strength seems to be controlling the force, not sabers. Rey was probably trained in the basics, which is all she really did. Regardless of her relation I'll bet she was trained by Luke.
Or Rey could be gifted in using the Force and being able learn things really quickly. Not all force users are the same.
In the end though, the fight sets up Ren's character as being a total wildcard in 8. He's got rage, fear, and humiliation for losing the fight, sorrow for killing his father, and on top of it all he's conflicted. Ren's a mess. Even before the fight he was a mess. That he held his own at all while injured, was kind of a miracle. He was clearly having trouble holding on to the anger, which is what darksiders need to fight at all.
These aren't the force users of the prequels. As much as I side with a lightsaber having no weight and thus being used prequel style, it really sterilized the fights. It looks good but there's no emotion behind it.
In TFA nobody was doing anything more than competent melee work. Ren was a bit better than Rey and Finn which is why he put Finn to bed, had Rey on the ropes, all while injured.
Ren's strength seems to be controlling the force, not sabers. Rey was probably trained in the basics, which is all she really did. Regardless of her relation I'll bet she was trained by Luke.
Or Rey could be gifted in using the Force and being able learn things really quickly. Not all force users are the same.
In the end though, the fight sets up Ren's character as being a total wildcard in 8. He's got rage, fear, and humiliation for losing the fight, sorrow for killing his father, and on top of it all he's conflicted. Ren's a mess. Even before the fight he was a mess. That he held his own at all while injured, was kind of a miracle. He was clearly having trouble holding on to the anger, which is what darksiders need to fight at all.
orthodoxy1095
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There were tears? I really didn't see any.
Very much how I understand the force to work. Which is why it's important that people mold the force in a constructive manner, because it lingers. So much of the reason why the dark and the light sides are in conflict.
brandonh83
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...I really need to rewatch this movie. Oh well, 5 hours.
John Harker
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Nice one! Even better
JumPeRJumPzZ
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Uhm yes. Especially luke.
Well, i can accept that.
But why split up the map, then?
why wouldn't R2 be carrying the entire map then? For safety measures?
Calcium
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I meant using The Force, not with some kind of mechanical equipment.
Exactly.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Starkiller base to me, reminded me of a pulsar. We know Pulsars emit so much energy we can see their jets from other galaxies, from the edges of the universe. so I kind of handwaved that, if a pulsar like weapon was fired, perhaps people in the galaxy would be able to see the "jet" it produced.
As for their travel, they basically travel everywhere through hyperspace which in Star Wars lore is like hopping onto a wormhole highway everywhere.
I don't know if it was the Rebellion or the Republic, but I just remember seeing a big ass fleet get destroyed along the way
That was such a funny scene.
ThisGuy
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I loved it. I feel like they got the nostalgia out of the way with this one while moving everything forward. The next movie should be absolutely insane.
That said, I will forever hate JJ for han. Finn makes a great substitute. As rey does for leia. But c'mon. The first movie you do in han? Seriously? Scumbag.
The ending looked like a cheesy syfy flick though.
That said, I will forever hate JJ for han. Finn makes a great substitute. As rey does for leia. But c'mon. The first movie you do in han? Seriously? Scumbag.
The ending looked like a cheesy syfy flick though.
And the same with the place on dagobah that is owned by the dark force..
The Elite
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Might have been the weakest part of the script for me. That was frustrating but ultimately a small issue in such a great film.
I loved it all over again on my second viewing earlier today. Made sure to pay attention to certain things I may have missed or not caught properly in my first viewing, especially when reading theories on here and seeing if they make sense after the second view.
I'm also convinced she's not Luke's. I still think she's Kylo Ren's sister.
Calcium
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Does the Force use hyperspace?
Sure, why not?
If Obi-Wan is able to project his Force Ghost on both Hoth and Dagobah I don't see it as a stretch to assume Luke is capable of something like that.
brickarts295
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Agreed, I still have some hope she makes a come back in the sequels as a bad ass bounty hunter.
eh, he was gonna die in Empire. then he was supposed to die in ROTJ. it's been coming.
Ben Solo found Vader's burned mask and when he touched it, it showed him visions similiar to those Rey had when she touched Luke's lightsaber. His initial interpretation of the visions showed him Vader's way to the dark side. Snoke then used Ben to prevent Luke from training the new Jedi Order.
Well, she was being threatened with a blaster point at her head.
Yeah she got jobbed. Was expecting more out of her. Hoping she made it off planet and returns next time.
orthodoxy1095
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Nope. Didn't see any. Saw a conflicted look sure. Tears. 'Nope.
Anton Sugar
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Luke even has a little lip quiver, too!
They're there. I saw it in IMAX again today and was one of the front five rows. When the image is that big, you see the glassy eyes and the lip quiver.
Did you guys already talk about a theory that just came to me a while after my second viewing? Here goes:
Maybe Han isn't dead. Maybe everything that has happened around this point (around when Luke disappeared) was already seen by Luke or Leia as a vision of the future? Leia didn't seem very shocked when she felt Han get stabbed or when everyone made it back to base.
Also, it was like Han knew what was going to happen when he walked up to Ren. The way the scene played out to me seemed like Han helped Ren impale him with the lightsaber, because it was something they both knew had to happen according to plan. That's why Ren said "thank you". Now, I really have no idea how Han could survive the fall.
Maybe these events were destined to happen, Luke, Leia, Han, Maz, and even Ren knew that they had to play their part in all of this exactly as planned, and that there's a greater evil at play (beyond Snoke, possibly) that must be dealt with in the future.
Maybe Han isn't dead. Maybe everything that has happened around this point (around when Luke disappeared) was already seen by Luke or Leia as a vision of the future? Leia didn't seem very shocked when she felt Han get stabbed or when everyone made it back to base.
Also, it was like Han knew what was going to happen when he walked up to Ren. The way the scene played out to me seemed like Han helped Ren impale him with the lightsaber, because it was something they both knew had to happen according to plan. That's why Ren said "thank you". Now, I really have no idea how Han could survive the fall.
Maybe these events were destined to happen, Luke, Leia, Han, Maz, and even Ren knew that they had to play their part in all of this exactly as planned, and that there's a greater evil at play (beyond Snoke, possibly) that must be dealt with in the future.
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