Dude heavily underestimates them, just killed his father, but most important of all is fuck I just got shot by a goddamn powerful crossbow.
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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Dude heavily underestimates them, just killed his father, but most important of all is fuck I just got shot by a goddamn powerful crossbow.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
A powerful bow that has killed every single fucking person (including the dumb TR-8R 'character') with a single shot, btw.
- Killed his father, resulting in even more of an emotional mess
- Clean shot on the waist by a bowcaster (metallic bolts)
- Tired because of the consecutive fights (against Finn, for example)
- Right (main) fighting arm nailed with a lightsaber blow from Finn
- Underestimating Rey and not going in with the purpose of killing her (he mentions teaching her - also, Snoke wants him to bring her to him)
Regarding FN-2187, we don't know yet.
Metalingus5150
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Also, Finn got beat hard by Kylo Ren. I don't know how people can spit it differently.
My theory:
Ren will become "good" by the end of episode 8 after falling in love with Rey. No one on the resistance (or even Rey) will trust him or want to co-operate making him go underground, working alone in the next film. He will slowly start killing off the Knights of Ren eventually earning Rey's trust. They begin woring together and confront Snoke who kills Ren but is defeated by Rey.
UnemployedVillain
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I'm going to throw up if anything resembling this happens
Lol reading it back it does sounds pretty terrible.
I just thought Driver and Ridley had great on screen chemistry.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Finn looked like a better fighter than Rey to me until she powered up. At first the Kylo/Rey fight was like watching an adult fight a little kid.
Coincidences and conveniency are definetely nothing new to the Star Wars movies. It's a necessary element to keep stories interesting as long as it doesn't go overboard.
Did you just call the greatest stormtrooper of all time dumb?
TRAITOR!
EDIT: They're also fighting in a very cold environment on top of all the shit Ren had to endure. That's also gotta count for something in the "Kylo can't catch a break" list.
Lynd7
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I agree no redemption, but I hope he is a strong figure in 8. Rey should lose if they meet again.
I don't think that is super likely.
If he does mess up again, I think Rey could still be clobbered if the other Rens back him up mid-way through battle.
UnemployedVillain
Member
That still makes him look weak if he has to have help to beat Rey
human onion
Banned
Saw the movie earlier today and liked it, but I have to repeat what everyone else has been saying. This movie is pretty much a copy of the original, with few hints of its own originality. The movie doesn't do anything 'wrong' in my eyes, but that does weaken it. With the state the franchise was in, could they have really made a different movie?
It makes me excited for the rest of the trilogy to see if it retreads the other two movies or not. That alone makes it miles better than the Hobbit movies, which feels like an apt comparison.
It makes me excited for the rest of the trilogy to see if it retreads the other two movies or not. That alone makes it miles better than the Hobbit movies, which feels like an apt comparison.
Not unless he only loses due to a fluke maneuver but still dolts a heavy beating to Rey in the process. Thus, making her too exhausted to continue.
Also, it would highlight Rey's overconfidence in her own power (if they decide to go that route).
This makes baby jesus cry. Like, why. Why why why. Why. :'(
Strange thing is that I swore I saw some Y-Wings in this movie.
My mind's messing with me.
RandomExpletive
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Got to see it for the 1st time tonight with my family/cousins, loved it.
Was a tad confused by that final scene, like, I know you've gotta have Luke in there, but it just felt a little flat, even with the great music.
Was a tad confused by that final scene, like, I know you've gotta have Luke in there, but it just felt a little flat, even with the great music.
The ships thing is so sad. Before the movie came out I was planning on grabbing a new Star Wars LEGO for my bro for Christmas because those are two cool things. Then I saw the movie and was bummed. Then I went to the LEGO store and options were Ren's knock-off Imperial Shuttle (which is two huge "wing" fins i.e. boring to build) or a Stormtrooper D-Day Lander which is straight up a shipping container with a little bridge on top.
;_;
Rian more ships pls.
;_;
Rian more ships pls.
Randolph Freelander
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CT,HD is not what I would describe as elegant fighting.
No doubt. I was about to post the exact same thing.
What if we wrote emotionally satisfying conclusions to our fights instead of contriving ridiculous deus ex machinations to save them from having to make important decisions.
I'm kind of hoping VIII is an extended training montage of Kylo and Rey. IX is their fight.
the black pearl
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chrisPjelly
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Saw the movie and liked it albeit some flaws, but HOLY SHIT are some people overstating it's flaws. Do people who say "x from the prequels was better than this" get off on getting people riled up? This movie is something that needed to be a literal and spiritual reboot/remake to introduce a new generation to the franchise, so I don't see what's so wrong about giving it a mish mash of OT elements. Biggest complaint, however, is it definitely being one of the least self contained Star Wars movies. I'm starting to get sick of the sequel baiting after all the super hero shtick, and I'm worried about seeing big purple man at the after credits of IX if Kathleen/Abrams start to lose power over disney execs. Overall, solid good first step that sets up plenty of opportunities to knock it out of the park with episode VIII and make it's own unique legacy. Rian, don't let us down!
Trigonometrize.
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I struggle to comprehend how TFA is such a carbon copy of ANH if the presiding criticism besides that is essentially that Kylo is nothing like Darth Vader. People clearly did not come into this movie expecting Kylo was going to be anything other than an all-powerful big bad for two movies like Vader but were definitely ready to ignore that and hate on it for being exactly ANH anyway.
Vader in the original didn't even know Luke beyond sensing the force from him during the trench run and he talked to Leia a bit. Other than that he's sort of just on the Death Star establishing how strong the force, and especially the dark side, can be. Kylo on the other hand, is familiar with all three of our leads from Poe's interrogation; Finn at the village, lightsaber fight; Rey all throughout from hearing about her escape on Jakku, chasing her down in the forest, and of course the duel. He's down on every planet except the Resistance base getting shit done and also failing sometimes.
Vader in the original didn't even know Luke beyond sensing the force from him during the trench run and he talked to Leia a bit. Other than that he's sort of just on the Death Star establishing how strong the force, and especially the dark side, can be. Kylo on the other hand, is familiar with all three of our leads from Poe's interrogation; Finn at the village, lightsaber fight; Rey all throughout from hearing about her escape on Jakku, chasing her down in the forest, and of course the duel. He's down on every planet except the Resistance base getting shit done and also failing sometimes.
Unknown Soldier
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Are you seriously talking shit about Traitor Trooper, Hero and Glorious Martyr of the First Order?
Could it be that you're a TRAITOR???????
Unknown Soldier
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When the ground just conveniently split between them the second that Kylo fell down and his lightsaber flew out of his hand, I literally almost groaned in the theater. It was dark enough that no one could see me rolling my eyes but that was just such a dumb way to end the fight. At least give them some time to think about what they've done before you end the scene and rush over to additional explosions.
Saw it for a fourth time. One question: at the end, Snoke tells Hux to take himself and Ren to HIM...but the planet is blowing up and there is no way Hux knows where Ren is, given that he's in a random piece of forest after being beaten by Rey. And the planet blows up pretty quickly after this conversation.
So...is Ren dead? THINK ABOUT IT.
So...is Ren dead? THINK ABOUT IT.
BocoDragon
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Trigonometrize.
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It's weird, because I feel like the earthquake wasn't even necessary. Rey was on the defense the entire time. Her and Finn were trying to escape. She could've bested him to the ground, realize she was safe, and just bailed because that was what she was trying to do all along as if she didn't even realize she had "won." She was just happy to be alive. The course of events would've made sense I think whether or not the earthquake happened.
Eh, I'll buy it.
UnemployedVillain
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That's a pretty flimsy argument considering this movie would make next to no sense whatsoever to someone who wasn't already well versed in the Star Wars universe. There are waaay to man references, callbacks and assumptions of prior knowledge for this to be for newbies
You can respect a movie making changes/sacrifices for the sake of easier merchandising? Really?
Prof. Bathtub
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The art book actually says the opposite: that rebel and imperial ship designs were distinct enough to tell apart. The real reason behind the limited ship types here remains a mystery.
While I'd like some new designs, I actually grudgingly respect a hesitancy to go overboard with new design for the sake of LEGO. Though there is a middle ground.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I love TR-8R. Total badass and almost the only character I actually buy, which given how little he speaks is pretty sad.
Trigonometrize.
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Yeah, The Force Awakens is a sequel. It's meant to be watched as a sequel to Star Wars. It's for the new generation to grow up with a series of Star Wars films, but you are supposed to dedicate 5 hours to the OT for this movie 100%.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Bullshit it wouldn't make sense.
Nothing about this movie is hard to understand for a complete newbie to Star Wars.
In fact I've found the only people confounded, befuddled and confoozled by aspects of the film are people who consider themselves "big fans"
the black pearl
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I love the subtitle of this thread.
H.Protagonist
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Saw it last night (finally), and maybe I'm dead inside or something, but felt very, very little for it except mild annoyance at all the convenient plot devices sprinkled around. I did enjoy BB's adorable bobble and thumbs up, I guess? Can't say I understand why everyone is raving about it, but happy for you guys. ^_^;
This is one of those situations were the book makes it seem like the film failed some of its intentions. In the book, Rey is feeling Dark Side anger 'n shit. The earthquake prevents her killing defenseless defeated Kylo. In the movie, it's not obvious that Rey is considering killing him. She's just kind of catching her breath.
The earthquake is dumb either way.
Prof. Bathtub
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Would one count all the other unused or repurposed production art as sacrifices? Is producing a lego set of a new X-Wing any easier or cheaper than producing a lego set of a different hypothetical ship?
I'm just glad people enjoy this entry in the series for the characters, would be unfortunate if it was a situation like some of the lesser Gundams, where fans are only drawn to the mechanical design.
Trigonometrize.
Member
If that's what they were going for then obviously the earthquake is necessary for things to play out like they did. And I even asked myself if she was thinking about killing him on several of my viewings. Still, it wasn't explicit enough to me to convince me that the earthquake was necessary. I think she made a scary face in that moment but I can't really remember.
UnemployedVillain
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Uhh, significant parts of the movie make no sense without having watched the older ones
- Everything related to the force probably seems like crazy deus ex magic
- Han Solo, Chewy and his relation to Leia
- C3PO and R2D2 are just random robots talking about stuff
- Luke Skywalker is just some random dude everyone is looking for (although, if you've heard of SW you at least know he's from it)
- The Deathstar 3
- Stormtroopers, the Empire, the Rebels, etc.
My mom pretty much hadn't seen any SW movies since they came out long ago, wasn't a big fan anyway, and was pretty confused. You guys shouldn't assume details you take for granted are clear for everyone.
No, because design is an iterative process and there's always unused concept art for it. I don't think producing a lego set of x is easier/cheaper than producing one of y, but it's definitely easier having to only produce a few variants versus many. Gundam is kind of different. From MSG it was made as a vehicle to sell models, but Tomino fought against that and actually made it into an actual story based production as opposed to just a cartoon for toys, and I guess they realized it was possible to do both. I actually like Gundam models. I much prefer them to action figures of characters!
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Uhh, all of the shit in your bullet-pointed list is uhhh explained directly in the uhhhh film itself.
The idea that uhhhh people couldn't get what any of those elements are uhhhh from watching the film is apparently dependent on your uhhhh believing people spent most of their uhhhh time watching something that wasn't this uhh movie.
But I guess uhhhh since your uhh mother was a little confused most people were too? I guess? Maybe you shouldn't assume easy to digest details in a pretty straightforward film are somehow super confusing just because a single person you know wasn't able to follow along.
Uhh.
chrisPjelly
Member
Not really, especially if we consider that this movie is as copypasta to ANH as some people like to claim; you literally have bad guys being bad -> mystified legend is talked about (this would be everything involving the empire and jedi) -> mystified legend is true -> people fighting bad guys -> laser swords -> victory for good guys. References/callbacks would just end up either as some quirky scene or a new tidbit of worldbuilding. The only thing that would probably a bit weird would be the sudden appearance and significnce of Han Solo; "Ok, I guess we're riding along with cool old guy". As someone mentioned before, you'd probably more irked at trying to piece together wtf happened and still being unanswered. This movie gets unnecessarily complicated if you're a fan, but as a newcomer, it looks like a fun space adventure.
Edit: Wtf at Han/Leia relationship though? They literally say "our son" , hug romantically, and heavily imply that there relationship didn't work out. Might have some merit with linking R2D2 to Luke though.
I mean, if we are going to do the anecdote thing, my mom is somebody who isn't really big into sci fi, hasn't seen the prequels, and hasn't really watched the OT in a really long time. She managed to understand the movie perfectly fine, had no issue figuring out who people were, and very much enjoyed it.
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