http://spong.com/detail/news.asp?prid=8086
An amazing article. Really. Well amazing in how crap it is.
An amazing article. Really. Well amazing in how crap it is.
Spong "MS a catalogue of Lies"
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Where has SpONG been the last five years? It is pretty well known that MS is leveraging Xbox as a game console to get their foot in the door, and then expanding down the road into more of a set top box.
Anyway, all this extra stuff is just that, stuff. It'll still play games, and just as many as before. But now you will be able to access more. Convergence isn't a bad thing if handled properly. Sony is heading the same route...
Anyway, all this extra stuff is just that, stuff. It'll still play games, and just as many as before. But now you will be able to access more. Convergence isn't a bad thing if handled properly. Sony is heading the same route...
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
This kind of crap should be only played by fanboys on videogame forums.
Great work Spong!
Great work Spong!
Chittagong
Gold Member
Journalists should spend at least a few years in a real industry job.
It's not like Microsoft would have had only one strategy round in 1999, and would stick with those strategy decisions forever.
Instead, companies tend to have business analysts looking at the market, and strategy is adjusted to fit the world on a regular basis.
So - yes, strategies of commercial enterprices change over time, sometimes even dramatically. Boo fucking hoo.
It's not like Microsoft would have had only one strategy round in 1999, and would stick with those strategy decisions forever.
Instead, companies tend to have business analysts looking at the market, and strategy is adjusted to fit the world on a regular basis.
So - yes, strategies of commercial enterprices change over time, sometimes even dramatically. Boo fucking hoo.
Spong = Journalism at its best
Talk about a cheap way to get some hits. I actually thought Spong was getting a tad better these (or maybe it was just the propaganda that's spread here by some people), but that was really low, even for their former self.
OMGBBQ MS SAID IT WAS ALL ABOUT GAME BUT IT WAS A LIE !!!111
Talk about a cheap way to get some hits. I actually thought Spong was getting a tad better these (or maybe it was just the propaganda that's spread here by some people), but that was really low, even for their former self.
OMGBBQ MS SAID IT WAS ALL ABOUT GAME BUT IT WAS A LIE !!!111
Even though this was blindingly obvious from the start, Spong are totally wrong. Microsoft never said the Xbox was ONLY about gaming -- they said gaming FIRST. That was their justification for not allowing you to play DVDs without the remote, anyway: We don't want a half-assed machine that does everything, we want a great gaming machine that you could also use for... other stuff.
(Speaking of which, have Spong been in a closet since the January announcement of the Xbox Media Center Extender or what? It pretty much fulfils all Bach's bluster about sharing your movies/TV/music around the house on a basic level already.)
On the bright side, every time Folder does one of his SHOW ME WHERE SPONG IS CRAP EH EH EH???? posts we have something new to throw at him
(Speaking of which, have Spong been in a closet since the January announcement of the Xbox Media Center Extender or what? It pretty much fulfils all Bach's bluster about sharing your movies/TV/music around the house on a basic level already.)
On the bright side, every time Folder does one of his SHOW ME WHERE SPONG IS CRAP EH EH EH???? posts we have something new to throw at him
ManDudeChild
Member
Blimblim said:
If Spong had a time machine and a copy editor, the article might be good.
sonycowboy
Member
Blimblim said:
I think it's long past time to put the ***** filter back in. And maybe a permaban on ***** employees :lol
How are those lies? Didn't that book that was put out around the time Xbox launched say the same things already? I remember reading somewhere that MS saw Sony as a threat to their plan for a microsoft controlled living room and that's why they created the Xbox.
Edit: I think this was the book
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0761537082/xbreporter-20/ref=nosim/104-6291077-0208749
Edit: I think this was the book
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0761537082/xbreporter-20/ref=nosim/104-6291077-0208749
TekunoRobby
Tag of Excellence
You know, I was reading the article and the whole time I was thinking "ok", wasn't suprised or bothered by anything they wrote. Then I got to this wonderful nugget and I just lost hope.
Nothing aggravates me more than sensationalist media from someone who doesn't have a damn clue as to what is coming out of their mouth. If you want to pretend like it's some atrocity, fine look like a fool. The problem is what Microsoft did/hasn't done pales in comparison to the type of garbage that has been going down in both sectors since the 80's.
Nothing aggravates me more than sensationalist media from someone who doesn't have a damn clue as to what is coming out of their mouth. If you want to pretend like it's some atrocity, fine look like a fool. The problem is what Microsoft did/hasn't done pales in comparison to the type of garbage that has been going down in both sectors since the 80's.
No, I seem to remember how they announced it would also be able to rip CDs to the HDD so you would be able to use the XB as a digital jukebox, as well as announcing it would offer DVD playback as an add-on option.
Bombshell? I guess spong doesn't have access to the latest versions of XBL...
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
To tha rescueeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
FitzOfRage
Member
Blimblim said:
Yeah, I thought they were slightly concerned about their credibility for a while, but after the RE4 Xbox announcement (which was supposed to be a few weeks back) and this, I think they're back in the crapper.
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
RE4 Xbox announcement?
boutrosinit said:
You missed that? They announced that within 14 days of the news item we'd see an official announcement of RE4 to the Xbox.
Then later either Folder told us here or they modified the article to say well it may not happen because they just may want to wait til later to announce it.
Fowler said:
No, you're wrong there. Microsoft did categorically deny the possibility of Xbox being some kind of home networking hub. They didn't just say "gaming first", they really did say GAMING ONLY. Of course, anyone with half a brain knew they were fibbing. That didn't stop many folks from defending them on messageboards though. Believe me, I was on one in particular where the entire board was convinced that Microsoft would NEVER use the Xbox as a trojan horse to become a set-top box.
Robbie Bach, Blackley, Fries, Allard... they all said it was a games-only device and would never become anything else. But even at the beginning you had Ballmer accidentally speaking about Xbox as media convergence machine in interviews or off the cuff comments and then later those comments would be retracted. This was a carefully managed information plan by MS. Now that they've got a large group of gamers on board, they can talk more openly about it.
As far as I'm concerned though, set-top box is still a dirty phrase. Give me games only and stop marginalizing the hobby into some tiny segment of a larger home entertainment category.
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
Ah! The memories all flood back...
MrPing1000
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best thing was when someone from gaf sent them stuff that they just made up. Good times
Really? How about this from Bill Gates' GDC Keynote Address, March 9, 2000, in which he officially announced the Xbox for the first time?Dave Long said:
Bill Gates said:
Bill Gates said:
Never EVER is it said that this is "only for gaming." In fact, I think I've already proved that that specifically was not said. The CLOSEST they come is this:
Bill Gates said:
And why all the talk about games and very little about other things? Well, perhaps because, I don't know, this was the GAME DEVELOPERS CONFERENCE.
I'm confused. This article is a joke, right? Everyone and their mother knew this was the direction of the Xbox 1/2 and not to mention, the PS2/3.
Does the article imply that gaming will no longer be the emphasis of the Xenon? Cause the only way i can see this article having any journalistic merit, with the title they have given it, is for the Xenon to not play games and to be a media focused only set top box.
The title is nothing more than a "National Enquirer" type of headline used more for shock to generate hits, than to convey any real news.
Does the article imply that gaming will no longer be the emphasis of the Xenon? Cause the only way i can see this article having any journalistic merit, with the title they have given it, is for the Xenon to not play games and to be a media focused only set top box.
The title is nothing more than a "National Enquirer" type of headline used more for shock to generate hits, than to convey any real news.
Dave Long said:
I think the bozos at SPONG and a few folks here are using the term XBox in a way that differs from how Microsoft is using it. MS is talking about the brand as a whole - the same way Sony talks about Playstation in reference to the brand. MS was specific in that the first iteration of the XBox would focus on games, but could expand to cover other media. I can't find the interview, but Robbie Bach is on record saying that if the first "iteration of XBox is successful" then the next would try to expand it functionality beyond games. But to succeed as a multi-use platform, they needed to succeed at games first.
I don't see any contradiction here. I had no plans to buy an XBox until about 6 months after it came out, and so hadn't paid much attention to it before then, and even then I knew what MS was up to because they said it so bloody often. (Such as in MetatronM's quotes above.)
Here's the whole paragraph from which you quote above...
Sorry if you don't see it that way, but I think this specifically targets gaming and is easily interpreted to mean games only.
It continues through every interview that Fries and Allard did after this too. Just hop over to TeamXbox and go through their old news archives. A lot of the interviews are gone because sites that hosted them are dead, but a lot still remains too. They ALWAYS talk about the games specifically and how the Xbox is envisioned solely around games.
You can always use the excuse "Oh, they were talking to gamers or developers so would you expect them to have a different message?" and really that's bull. Because I ARGUED with people about this for two years before Microsoft finally started publically admitting that the real goal was beyond games... having grandma put her pictures on the Xbox and all that goes along with that.
I'd love to take the time to find a myriad of articles about it and in fact I started doing just that at TXB but then I realized that I don't have to. This is common knowledge.
Sorry if you don't see it that way, but I think this specifically targets gaming and is easily interpreted to mean games only.
It continues through every interview that Fries and Allard did after this too. Just hop over to TeamXbox and go through their old news archives. A lot of the interviews are gone because sites that hosted them are dead, but a lot still remains too. They ALWAYS talk about the games specifically and how the Xbox is envisioned solely around games.
You can always use the excuse "Oh, they were talking to gamers or developers so would you expect them to have a different message?" and really that's bull. Because I ARGUED with people about this for two years before Microsoft finally started publically admitting that the real goal was beyond games... having grandma put her pictures on the Xbox and all that goes along with that.
I'd love to take the time to find a myriad of articles about it and in fact I started doing just that at TXB but then I realized that I don't have to. This is common knowledge.
I'm still missing where anyone explicitly said GAMES ONLY.....not some slipshod interpretation of a sentence that could just as easily mean "predominantly games".
You don't have to find a "myriad of articles", I was just asking for one or two. Where is it stated that Xbox was exclusively a game platform? How does one reconcile that with the fact that it offered DVD playback from day one?
They wanted to keep the focus on games because that's their core market. But where did they "categorically deny the possibility of Xbox being some kind of home networking hub"?
You don't have to find a "myriad of articles", I was just asking for one or two. Where is it stated that Xbox was exclusively a game platform? How does one reconcile that with the fact that it offered DVD playback from day one?
They wanted to keep the focus on games because that's their core market. But where did they "categorically deny the possibility of Xbox being some kind of home networking hub"?