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Articalys said:
I'm always serious. The only time I've ever lied in this thread is the previous sentence.
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Spring 2011 Anime Thread of ZAWA ZAWA, Money, emo Cyclops, and fun^10xint^40=Ir2
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I'm always serious. The only time I've ever lied in this thread is the previous sentence.
Considering most other shows this season aren't my cup of tea at all, it's not really all that hard for Tiger & Bunny to be the best. And while I do agree that there's been some wasted potential so far, I love the humor, and the overall visual presentation is really nice. In fact, the character design is one of the most appealing I've seen so far in anime, and I was very surprised when I remembered the designers older works. He really came a long way.Dance In My Blood said:
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Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
20K isn't a hard limit (threads are generally closed manually by a moderator). It's a general guideline for when a thread will be closed (i.e. it's just because it causes some indexing problem, not that the forum explodes when it goes over 20K).zeroshiki said:
As long as the thread doesn't appear to be heading towards several thousand more posts before the Summer thread, it's not a big deal.
InfiniteNine
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Challenge accepted!Angry Grimace said:
Angry Grimace said:
Gotcha. Then again, this thread has grown 1000 posts in a day before so anything's possible.
Articalys said:
Looks good. They will be carried over into the next season anyways where people will hardly talk about them
Its hard to capture animugaf's attention for more than 3 months if you're not K-On or Clannad.Unknown Soldier
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zeroshiki said:
During the summer of K-ON!! thread, we were easily doing 10 pages a day for several weeks continuously, many of them filled with GIFs. I don't know that we'll ever get close to that pace for such a sustained period ever again. Then again, the K-ON! movie comes out this year, so there's hope!
Looks good. They will be carried over into the next season anyways where people will hardly talk about them
LOL, we talk about HanaIro every week when an episode airs.
A Black Falcon
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That's a false comparison, fiction doesn't and often shouldn't be like real life -- the whole point it to have something more interesting than the real, pretty much. With a beginning, a middle, and an end. And besides, there are plots in individual real stories, sure. Plenty of things that are based on real-life events have stories and plots.mAcOdIn said:
And part of this just makes no sense, unless you're referencing the usual "bad guy wants to take destroy the world" anime/videogame story. I do think that that plot is overdone. More badguys should just want to take over the country, or the world, or what have you, why do they usually want to destroy it anyway?
But even so, that TTK doesn't really have a main enemy -- there is no Big Bad in TTK, at least not in the anime version (who knows about the later books) -- is an issue for it in its genre. It sort of makes up for it with the interesting, complex stories it does tell, but it is something worth noting.
But anyway, to return to my first point the idea that fiction should be like reality is silly, and obviously false. It shouldn't.
Aria and Escaflowne have something in common plotwise? What? I can't think of anything of note...
But no, to me your complaint just makes no sense at all. Sure, action with no plot can be pointless, but plot and action with mediocre characters isn't like that at all. With a good plot and story, and characters just good enough to make the story work, things work just fine. Rollercoaster ride of images? But if the plot's good, and interesting, it's going to be much more than that...
I agree that Escaflowne's pace isn't realistic, certainly, though. It's a very, VERY fast paced show, and it skips over almost all of the downtime in between the major events. I just think that it works that way. Escaflowne is proof that you can have a full-length series of 100% plot-centric, fast-paced episodes and it can work, too. They had a huge story to cram into a 26 episode series (I believe the rumors that the series was originally supposed to be longer, it makes sense), and they made it work. Sometimes that kind of thing can break down, where events just get too fast and confusing to be able to make sense out of it, but it didn't in this case. Not at all.
So yes, a lot happens in each episode. That's one of the show's major unique points, I would say. If you disliked that, I can see why you'd dislike the series. I, on the other hand, think that that's one of the good things about the show.
I guess so, I'll try to make it up somehow.
Yeah, the two shows have very different design philosophies. That much is obvious anyway. Which design is better, however, is obviously very much a matter of opinion...
But first, no, I don't agree that all of the TTK hardships help character growth. I mean, that idea -- that one of the best ways to have characters develop is to have bad things happen to them -- is a traditional theme, but I just don't entirely agree. I think that there are ways to have character growth and development along those same lines that doesn't involve randomly killing people off. Like, what did that woman Youko had been staying with's death accomplish, for her character development? Not much. It just provided another pointless tragedy for the writers, so they could once again say "see, this is a serious, dramatic show!"
And hence I use the word pointless. But I think that this clearly shows how different our viewpoints are here -- while you approvingly talk about how the tragedies exist to further the characters' emotional journeys, I find that frustrating. If there are going to be things like that, I don't like it to happen just to affect other, more important characters. Randomly killing off minor characters just to make the main character feel differently isn't something I like. And it's not realistic here, either -- such things happen a lot in TTK, as I said, far more than would be believable if you just went by realism. There are just so, so many horrible things that happen to these characters! It's ridiculous.
Sure, in a story like this of course some bad things are going to happen; completely avoiding that would be quite unrealistic. But TTK does that a LOT. Some stories do that, and TTK is clearly one of them, but it isn't something I'd call entirely realistic, first, and it's also not something I like.
As for Escaflowne, and as I think I said, it'd be hard for Escaflowne to have much sadness over most of the deaths, with its pace. Maybe if the series was a lot longer there'd have been time for more of that; as it is they only had time for that for key moments. I thought that worked; that's a fairly standard way to handle things in a story like this, and over time anyway the characters are going to get more used to it... but anyway I remember some. As for learning from the action, I absolutely disagree that no one learns from the action in Escaflowne. Nobody learns anything from the violence in Escaflowne? Huh? What are you talking about? Sure, the Escaflowne characters don't have TTK levels of depth, but it's a different kind of story so that's okay. It has depth in the main plot instead, and the characters themselves have more than enough for the story themselves.
Even so, I agree that they wanted to have a lot of action in the series. It WAS made by Sunrise, after all! And sure, some was mostly there to make things more exciting, have more fight scenes and show again and again how powerful and determined the bad guys are to stop our heroes, etc., but it wasn't all entirely pointless action for the sake of action. There was some of that, sure, but it wasn't all that.
And anyway, action just for the sake of making the main character sadder isn't any better, in my opinion.
But ultimately, it's hard to directly compare these two shows, though, because with storytelling styles so, so different it's quite difficult to directly compare them...
Yeah, until they get killed off later on when she isn't there in time the next time they get into trouble.
As if that's the only way to have her learn that lesson? I disagree.
Most definitely. For instance, do you REALLY need to show that poor kid getting run over something like ten times in five episodes? Really? We get it, it happened. We don't need to see it yet again, can't you do anything else to show the characters' sadness?
Yeah, I'd been sort of wanting that to happen, but that they had it happen so quickly and with only mediocre foreshadowing beforehand? That's not the way to do it.
Also, as I said, that her craziness somehow just completely vanishes when she changes her mind on this is also ... convenient. I mean, she'd gone completely nuts. Perhaps accepting things as she did would help that, but I can't quite imagine it just completely dispelling it like it seems to have done.
Basically, I do like that that event happened, I just think they did it in a way that is hard to believe. It could have been done a lot better. But of course, you like her character a lot more than I do, so I'm sure that also has an effect.
On that note, as I said, that Rakushun actually helps her so much, after she tries to get him arrested for a crime that she believed he would be executed for, and then tried that again when the first attempt failed, is just... hard to believe. I mean, she did some pretty bad things there! Yeah, it didn't have an impact because he has a super awesome pass, but he should have been a lot more bothered by it than he was... but for plot reasons he had to befriend her instead, because she needed to get to Youko. Why in the world does he keep trusting her after what she did, and with how crazy she was?
I know, the explanation is just that he's really nice and didn't mind because it couldn't affect him, and somehow he just knew that there was a decent person inside her even though she wasn't showing it at all at the time (convenient, that...), but that's some pretty contrived stuff. I know, fiction works on that, but even considering my defense above that doesn't mean I have to like all of it.
Once they did get together it quickly got better -- the things he taught her were certainly valuable lessons, and with that, combined with the real life experience in seeing the reality of an execution I could see how that could have changed her, but instead they have the change happen sooner, for no apparent reason. The attempted execution perhaps helped make her change of opinion certain, as she finally could see the reality of what her father had been doing, though, of course.
Overall I'd agree that her story as it is makes some sense -- this nice guy who knew a lot told her about the world and eventually convinced her that she was wrong -- and they tried to do that story in the anime, but I don't think they got it quite right. I don't know how the original books do things, though, of course.
As with the show overall though, I do think that Shoukei's story is interesting and decently told. For anime this is certainly a quite good character story; like with how in world design TTK tries pretty hard in a field where most anime puts in zero effort, you don't usually get characters with nearly as good character and story progressions as TTK does. I have frustrations with how it does things and some of the characters (like Shoukei), but that doesn't mean that I don't think it's good overall anyway, for sure.
I don't hate Suzu, she's not nearly as crazy or deluded as Shoukei was... what's so bad about Suzu? She's okay. I've liked her more than Shoukei all along for sure. I'd say more, but I don't know why you hate her so I can't really reply.
Yeah, this at least we agree on. Youko's pretty awesome.
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Pachael said:
If Nichijou were done in a more "normal" way, it wouldn't be worth watching!
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Defuser said:
Yeah, the last two episodes were already great and this was the icing. I had a big grin on my face the whole way through.
Infinite Justice
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Articalys said:
I doubt it since its over and the author went with a troll ending.
pieatorium
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If ABF and macodin posted one or two sentaces per post like the rest of us every season would hit 20k easy.
Mononoke (re-watch) - 1-2 - For some reason i felt like watching this again, and man It's even better then i thought it was initially - the art direction is beautiful, the use of sound effects are also pretty impressive, considering how it adds to the atmosphere and mood along with the surreal imagery that's spread throughout, and i love how the conclusion of this particular arc can be either happy or dark depending on one's viewpoint, hell these two episodes pretty much put the entirely of what has aired so far of [C] to shame!
Dennou Coil 1 - Man this is like K-ON if all that level of craftsmanship was put into a more intriguing setting and premise, the production values and animation quality are pretty damn amazing, i hope it keeps it up for the rest of the series! oh and the characters are charming, and the writing seems solid so far.
Dennou Coil 1 - Man this is like K-ON if all that level of craftsmanship was put into a more intriguing setting and premise, the production values and animation quality are pretty damn amazing, i hope it keeps it up for the rest of the series! oh and the characters are charming, and the writing seems solid so far.
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There's a site update too: http://www.towanoquon.com
The new key visual looks like classic Kawamoto at least.
Jex
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Why was I counting by hand up until now????jman2050 said:
True dat.Lafiel said:
He is going senile, but he isn't overated.Unknown Soldier said:
But I agree with Oshii, Studio Ghibli should be destroyed because it's evil.
Its a deconstruction of narrative, that's for sure.Hitokage said:
I'm examining this to see if it makes any sense...it doesn't!Pachael said:
Infinite Justice
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Jexhius said:
Will your reign of terror ever end?
Finally watched Project A-Ko; for whatever reason, I had been putting it off despite knowing it was pure animation porn. As expected, the visuals and their inventiveness were the best part of the movie, but I liked the insane lesbian character.
She could have chosen a better object for her affections, though.
Crash Station
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Prince of Tennis 9
Ryoma is starting to annoy me a bit, but the other regulars are cool enough.
Ryoma is starting to annoy me a bit, but the other regulars are cool enough.
Penguin Drum -unconfirmed- staff:
Original Concept/Director: Kunihiko Ikuhara
Chief Director: Kiyotaka Ohata
Series Composition: Yuniko Ayana, Kunihiko Ikuhara
Original Character Design: Lily Hoshino
Character Design: Nobutake Ito
Main Animator: Shinya Hasegawa, Yumi Nakayama, Ikuko Ito
Concept Design: Akemi Hayashi
Color Setting: Ritsuko Utakawa
Art Director: Hiroshi Kato
Director of Photography: Takeshi Katsurayama
Sound Director: Katsunori Shimizu
Music: Shinkichi Mitsumune
Animation Production: Brains Base
Original Concept/Director: Kunihiko Ikuhara
Chief Director: Kiyotaka Ohata
Series Composition: Yuniko Ayana, Kunihiko Ikuhara
Original Character Design: Lily Hoshino
Character Design: Nobutake Ito
Main Animator: Shinya Hasegawa, Yumi Nakayama, Ikuko Ito
Concept Design: Akemi Hayashi
Color Setting: Ritsuko Utakawa
Art Director: Hiroshi Kato
Director of Photography: Takeshi Katsurayama
Sound Director: Katsunori Shimizu
Music: Shinkichi Mitsumune
Animation Production: Brains Base
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If I was going to pick up a couple of spring shows what would you guys recommend? Its hard to sift through this thread and find out what the top picks are.
firehawk12
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Depends on what you like, but for me it's Nichijou, AnoHana and Hanasaku Iroha. Honourable mention goes to TWGOK2 if only for episode 7.Liquid_Bike said:
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Detective Conan 22-23
These two-parters have been the most interesting cases by far. You can't really set up an elaborate mystery in 30 minutes; the stand-alone episodes can be a little too easy to predict.
Kogoro was surprisingly competent, even if Conan had to knock him out at the end as always.
I second firehawk's recommendations: Nichijou, Ano Hana, and Hanasaku Iroha are the top three shows of the season so far. If you've seen the first season, you should also watch Kaiji S2.
These two-parters have been the most interesting cases by far. You can't really set up an elaborate mystery in 30 minutes; the stand-alone episodes can be a little too easy to predict.
Kogoro was surprisingly competent, even if Conan had to knock him out at the end as always.
Liquid_Bike said:
I second firehawk's recommendations: Nichijou, Ano Hana, and Hanasaku Iroha are the top three shows of the season so far. If you've seen the first season, you should also watch Kaiji S2.
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