Well... to me it seems like fanservice. Whether it was meant to be or not is up to the person who directed and whatnot.
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Well... to me it seems like fanservice. Whether it was meant to be or not is up to the person who directed and whatnot.
ZachDeKoromaru
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KuwabaraTheMan
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My fifteen year old self definitely saw Faye as fanservice, if you know what I'm saying.
Which isn't to say it's her actual function, but I think it's completely obvious how someone could feel that way, especially at first glance.
now I'm just more depressed than I was before
I don't like Bebop but it's much better about fan service than most anime
Faye is a manipulator. She uses sex appeal to get what she wants. It's rarely, if at all, over done and even at it's "worst" i'd hardly call it gratuitous. As Syrinx said, I'd never once thought of Faye as fanservice, because it never feels like a contrived effort to arouse the viewer.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Aiura 11
Saki confirmed for best character. Dem legs.
Saki confirmed for best character. Dem legs.
ZachDeKoromaru
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Best legs, best butt, best short hair, best girl indeed.
At fifteen it's a different matter entirely!
hosannainexcelsis
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Cover that skin, woman!
Yeah. I didn't think about that. =/ Dunno why the thought didn't cross my mind. Anyway, there are shots when I feel like the fanservice is just sort of... there and it's situations where sex appeal isn't relevant since no one is there seeing her. Most of the time, you're right, she's using her sex appeal but there are times when it feels like it's just there to catch the viewer's eye. Regardless, I agree with your take on it, yes.
KuwabaraTheMan
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I agree. Like I said, I don't think that she exists to be fanservice, but I can see how someone could feel that way at first glance, just looking at her character design. She isn't a fanservice character, and there are valid reasons for the way she dresses and acts, but I can understand how someone who is used to typical anime designs and attitudes could get that feeling from her first couple of episodes.
What's important is what happens with her over the remainder of the series.
R_thanatos
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Just so you know , the reason why kirito was against using the NPC as bait was
Because he was afraid players would lose their sense of self and disregard everything not mattering to them as the "game" if they continued down this path. Dangerous path leading to Pk and more devious things.
Dedication Through Light
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Faye's backstory was at least interesting, or somehow one of the stories that stood out to me and that I still remember these many months after watching.
You know, My Funny Valentine is one of my least favorite episodes of Bebop, but it still manages to captivate me and make me feel for a character in a way that most anime can't do on their best day. I guess that speaks volumes for Cowboy Bebop as a whole.
God I can't wait for Space Dandy.
God I can't wait for Space Dandy.
That's not really fanservice though as it's just conveying her sex appeal to the audience. Context is everything!
Yeah but that's a view born out of ignorance more than anything.
Agreed.
'merica.txt
I got the "convey sex appeal" already when she was doing it in scenes that made sense. Why do it again pointlessly?
I'd say more naivety than ignorance but yes, you're right.
Do you have any specific scenes in mind as I honestly don't remember any moments in the series where it felt pointless. (Then again it;'s been a long time since I last saw it)
That's the problem with words.
calm down dear, I never said that it is some waifu anime just that it gives off the impression that it is some waifu anime.
When you have promotional art like this with a high school kid owning his own Robot that happens look like a human girl teen/or adult then your setting off the otaku bait alarm regardless if it's a pander bait anime or not(otaku fulfillment owning your own waifu servant) .
Wonzo did tell me of it's existence in the irc chat, knowing nothing of it I was still interested but after watching the trailer every fiber of my being told me don't it's a trap! these guys are trying to trick you again, the feeling I got from watching the trailer was Fear the same fear I get when I sense another overhyped anime movie I wish I never saw.
The premise sounds like the type I wouldn't trust japan with and about the judging a book by it's cover thing, hasn't anime taught us all that you can judge an anime by it's cover and you'll probable be right nearly all the time.
Anyways even if I was going to watch it one day it would be the ova not the movie.
Fanservice: pointless scenes in an anime intended to sexually arouse otaku that contribute nothing to the plot
Male Gaze: when the camera focuses on female characters' in a voyeuristic way, but doesn't actually damage the story's pacing or plotting like fanservice does
Sex: a mature treatment of sex
Bebop probably falls somewhere between the latter two rather than out and out fanservice. It's a silly complaint since there are much more conspicuous problems with Bebop.
Male Gaze: when the camera focuses on female characters' in a voyeuristic way, but doesn't actually damage the story's pacing or plotting like fanservice does
Sex: a mature treatment of sex
Bebop probably falls somewhere between the latter two rather than out and out fanservice. It's a silly complaint since there are much more conspicuous problems with Bebop.
One time she raided the fridge looking for food and there was a pretty blatant fanservice moment. At least that's how it appeared to me.
Regulus Tera
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I just wonder how you can find a casino robbery/heist and bioterrorism mundane.
Fanservice doesn't imply sex appeal or male gaze; it can be perfectly wholesome and harmless.
When the characters aren't the slightest bit dynamic they can be!
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
The irony of all this "Faye is a fanservice device/no she isn't" discussion is (real spoilers, don't look kayos)
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she's the purest and "most virginal" character of the cast apart from Ed
The monkey virus thingy episode was sort of stupid. The casino episode was cool.
You know. I almost looked. I usually highlight spoiler boxes before I look but I saw kayos right next to it and stopped. I also typed this while not looking so there might be some typos. Spoilers revealed in quotes and stuff.
KirbYuuYuu
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Rough times ahead in this topic.
Why would a casino robbery or bioterrorism be exciting?
That has nothing to do with if something is meant to be fanservice or not, tho.
R_thanatos
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Your parents did the right thing, you never know you might of ended up on some anime thread later on in life....
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
mun·dane [muhn-deyn, muhn-deyn] Show IPA
adjective
1.
of or pertaining to this world or earth as contrasted with heaven; worldly; earthly: mundane affairs.
2.
common; ordinary; banal; unimaginative.
3.
of or pertaining to the world, universe, or earth.
Unless you are James Bond or maybe work for the CIA, I don't think anyone would call that mundane.
Even if I agreed with you, that's not mundane.
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As shown by the moé phenomenon. lol
Class act as usual I see.
FelixOrion
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so much love in this thread
Sorry. I meant the pacing and the style was getting mundane. Maybe it's because my patience is a bit low today but it was getting to be the same old same old. I wasn't talking specifically about the content. Perhaps I should've said repetitive rather than mundane.
Mundane in terms of the average action anime. Execution is more important than the premise. And though it's not a problem I have with the show, there are far more "mundane" scenes in Bebop than action/heist/terrorism scenes anyway.
KuwabaraTheMan
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You're finding the style of Cowboy Bebop mundane? That boggles my mind, given how much style that show has at every turn. I would have thought that style was the one thing everyone could agree on Cowboy Bebop having in droves.
Cowboy Bebop 5-6
These last two episodes were very very very good. Episode 5 in particular was pretty fucking awesome. I really really really like the songs in this show. Everything from the opening to the ending. The dub is also pretty fucking fantastic as well as the visuals. I think part of the appeal of the show is seeing the various layers that Spike has on slowly peel apart. Anyway, I hope the show gets into multi-parters cuz I don't want single parters right now...
I don't mean the style you're thinking of. It definitely has a lot personality. The style I was talking about was much more synonymous to the word pacing structure. Sorry. I didn't mean the word "and" as an addition but more like a complement to the previous word. I'm just fumbling today. Regardless I like the show. I didn't like episode 2 or 4....
These last two episodes were very very very good. Episode 5 in particular was pretty fucking awesome. I really really really like the songs in this show. Everything from the opening to the ending. The dub is also pretty fucking fantastic as well as the visuals. I think part of the appeal of the show is seeing the various layers that Spike has on slowly peel apart. Anyway, I hope the show gets into multi-parters cuz I don't want single parters right now...
I don't mean the style you're thinking of. It definitely has a lot personality. The style I was talking about was much more synonymous to the word pacing structure. Sorry. I didn't mean the word "and" as an addition but more like a complement to the previous word. I'm just fumbling today. Regardless I like the show. I didn't like episode 2 or 4....
For someone who hates the anime thread so much, he sure shows up quite often.
Regulus Tera
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I'm assuming you are talking about the Jet episode later on. That's iyashikei as fuck.
hosannainexcelsis
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Is it time to link the OP? I think it is.
It's mostly episodic; there's one two-parter in the middle and another at the end.
KuwabaraTheMan
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It's always time to link the opening. I'll never get tired of watching it, even after all these years.
I agree with him broadly but maybe not for the same reasons. The problem is when a dearth of ideas lies behind any style. Like Watanabe's other shows there is a cloying focus on the surface. The show references various aspects of pop culture and American culture but all it results in is a meaningless stew. And on an episode-by-episode basis I don't think much of Bebop's commentary is all that profound either. I can see how someone would say Bebop lacks style if they think that style lacks deliberateness or focus. It acts cool but who cares?
Then again I haven't seen it in years and am open to being convinced otherwise. More good anime is always better.
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