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Spring Anime 2013 |OT -7| My Giant CG Pony Can't Possibly Read This Much Baudelaire
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Sadly this is true most of the time.
Jex
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Looking at those numbers it's pretty clear why they wouldn't want to engage in such a project.
hmm, 80s girls in dance clothes. There's no way that this can't be good. *bumps up backlog*
I'll take what I can get, I guess.
Jex
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Legend of the Galatic Heroes is a show that can severely crush a man's spirits. They're really not afraid to occasionally mess with a character that you really love.
dakkumauji
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Tamako Market 12
I liked it. The final episode definitely captured the charm of the series of being set in a market street and makes me wished I grew up in one.
I really liked this show, even if Japan doesn't as much. It was carefree, great fun to watch and was DRAMA free which I appreciated.
I liked it. The final episode definitely captured the charm of the series of being set in a market street and makes me wished I grew up in one.
I really liked her whole speech about growing up in the market, especially giving out little tidbits about things we seen all season in this show.
I really liked this show, even if Japan doesn't as much. It was carefree, great fun to watch and was DRAMA free which I appreciated.
Jex
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009 Re:Cyborg is the deepest anime movie of 2012.
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Oshii would agree.
It was a fucking great movie up until the stupid dumbass set of plot twists near the end that basically was, effectively, a triple twist for the sake of a triple twist
Jex
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Do you even remember the original plot of the series? It was just girls talking to each other about angels and and stuff! How did they get from there to here?
Herschel was cool enough to make me not care.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Tamako Market fin
Contextualizing the finale with the rest of the series leaves me thinking about how a lot of the show was thematically coherent but didn't quite realize that theme in a manner that moved beyond the anthology nature of the series.
The final act of miscommunication is resolved, in perhaps the most perfunctory manner possible, and the catharsis that results from that resolution gently leads to the end of the series. That the last act of the series is
only hammers that home.
Of course, that's all resolved with a final reminder of what the market represents to Tamako - and ultimately to everyone in the market - and we see the ultimate resolution of what unfettered communication can bring. It makes sense that Tamako
But all of that being said, I think I can understand why people who need a plot to allow the story to work as a series would not like this show (and why it's a bomba). Ultimately things like
served the theme of the show, not the plot. So you can't easily say that this is a romantic comedy or even a comedy of errors.
In a way, I want to say it's a lot like Aria, where theme and place are meant to be much more evocative than what actually happens. Then again, I suppose I'm the crazy Malick fanboy here, so I'm perfectly happy to sit on and mull over the ideas of a text to my heart's content.
In fact, if you think about how the series ends -
There's nothing grand about the ending, but that's precisely why it's so effective.
Contextualizing the finale with the rest of the series leaves me thinking about how a lot of the show was thematically coherent but didn't quite realize that theme in a manner that moved beyond the anthology nature of the series.
The final act of miscommunication is resolved, in perhaps the most perfunctory manner possible, and the catharsis that results from that resolution gently leads to the end of the series. That the last act of the series is
Dera intending to leave, only to be brought back and activating his Skype function
Of course, that's all resolved with a final reminder of what the market represents to Tamako - and ultimately to everyone in the market - and we see the ultimate resolution of what unfettered communication can bring. It makes sense that Tamako
gets extremely anxious when all the shops are closed and she feels shut off, because the last time the market residents didn't communicate with her was when her mother died.
But all of that being said, I think I can understand why people who need a plot to allow the story to work as a series would not like this show (and why it's a bomba). Ultimately things like
Mochizo's romcom hijnks and the prince
In a way, I want to say it's a lot like Aria, where theme and place are meant to be much more evocative than what actually happens. Then again, I suppose I'm the crazy Malick fanboy here, so I'm perfectly happy to sit on and mull over the ideas of a text to my heart's content.
In fact, if you think about how the series ends -
you are taken back right to the beginning. It's a full circle and while things have changed - Shiori is now their friend, Mochizo is able to work up his courage - we are also told that nothing has changed. Just as Dera returns to Tamako the same way that she found him in the very first episode, the audience is brought back to the beginning of the series, ready to life for move on as much as it will for the characters in the show.
There's nothing grand about the ending, but that's precisely why it's so effective.
Jex
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Enjoy Tamako Market guys, with those sales we're not gonna be getting anything like that again anytime soonGet ready for more Ishihara dorama stuff.
zeroshiki is the prophet who walks amongst us. Praise be!
ZachDeKoromaru
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Tamako Market 12 (END)
Good finale to a good series. Just a nice feelgood show that you can watch any time and feel weight lifting off your shoulders. Great cast of characters that all felt very human (even Dera) and you could tell their relations/interactions with each other were completely genuine. Would definitely go back to this if I ever wanted to laugh or relax at something completely lighthearted.
Good finale to a good series. Just a nice feelgood show that you can watch any time and feel weight lifting off your shoulders. Great cast of characters that all felt very human (even Dera) and you could tell their relations/interactions with each other were completely genuine. Would definitely go back to this if I ever wanted to laugh or relax at something completely lighthearted.
Tamako Market 12
Sweet end for a sweet series. Very well-crafted in the direction and animation departments, some really nice shots and sequences, and it overall felt very pleasant.
The script was not really the best thing they've done with the show, I thought
But there were some legitimately good moments.
This kind of sensibility is what I liked the most about the show; somehow it seems to capture and handle certain aspects of people in a really humane way, like it also did episode 9. Maybe if they had bothered to depict little details like that about Tamako's character throughout the whole run, the series would have become really memorable. But as it stands, it was a well-made bunch of warm-hearted fun. Totally worthwhile.
Sweet end for a sweet series. Very well-crafted in the direction and animation departments, some really nice shots and sequences, and it overall felt very pleasant.
The script was not really the best thing they've done with the show, I thought
the revelation from Choi, added to the fact it was all a misunderstanding to begin with, were a bit too much. The episode was maybe a bit charged with developments when it would have worked much better as a sort of epilogue/aftermath, summarizing the themes and tone of the entire series.
But there were some legitimately good moments.
Tamako being reminded of her mother's death from the market was unexpected and genuinely touching.
Jex
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I didnt think it was even aimed at them. More aimed at young girls.
Tamako Market - 12 (END)
I can't help but think this was a pretty weird show. Each episode by itself was an entertaining part, but I didn't feel any form of coherent line connecting the events.
Ultimately I think this show was simply average. Kanna was a fun character, and it had a nice feel-good atmosphere thing going, but there wasn't really anything else.
For that, I rank Tamako Market 5/10.
I can't help but think this was a pretty weird show. Each episode by itself was an entertaining part, but I didn't feel any form of coherent line connecting the events.
Ultimately I think this show was simply average. Kanna was a fun character, and it had a nice feel-good atmosphere thing going, but there wasn't really anything else.
For that, I rank Tamako Market 5/10.
Well that was dumb then, young girls can't buy crap.
firehawk12
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Oh, since this is Yoshida month, I guess I should actually react to Girls and Panzer in a proper manner Yoshida).
As a series that is about sports and filial piety, it's pretty clear how the series was going to end. Outside of the tragedy porn ending -
- there was really only one way the show could end.
But the two episodes work with what they have in a very deft manner, drawing together the Miho storyline with the whole "our school is going to close!" storyline together without trampling down the trodden path of the cliche.
In terms of the sports side of the series, you have yet another example of Miho bucking convention and winning by not following the standard play book. That's not exactly new, but having
is a nice touch.
What I liked was that
And of course, the moment with Miho's mother
It's also how I hope Saki wraps up anyway... in 2020.
I'm still wary about the world building of the show, but I'm perfectly fine with the heart of the show - the characters and the family drama. :Yoshida.
Yoshida).As a series that is about sports and filial piety, it's pretty clear how the series was going to end. Outside of the tragedy porn ending -
Miho dying during the last skirmish, ultimately sacrificing herself to save the school, and the mother finally accepting that saving your friends isn't something that should be condemned
But the two episodes work with what they have in a very deft manner, drawing together the Miho storyline with the whole "our school is going to close!" storyline together without trampling down the trodden path of the cliche.
In terms of the sports side of the series, you have yet another example of Miho bucking convention and winning by not following the standard play book. That's not exactly new, but having
all her plans fail, but being able to build up to the final confrontation by showing her adaptability
What I liked was that
the moment with the Usagi team's engine stalling paid off without being completely obvious about it. They emphasize that the team is able to take out the two "heavies'", but there's no "thank god you saved us 10 minutes ago or we wouldn't have been here!" moment that a lot of storytellers would be tempted to fall back on (because the audience is stupid).
And of course, the moment with Miho's mother
at the end is a great way to wrap up that storyline without needing to have anyone say a word. Like someone said, it's a touching moment that brings the characters together without needing any tears or whatever.
I'm still wary about the world building of the show, but I'm perfectly fine with the heart of the show - the characters and the family drama. :Yoshida.
It airs after midnight, man.
I don't think the Hattas and TBS are stupid. If I had to guess, I'd say they didn't expect Tamako Market to sell well. Maybe they weren't expecting a total bomb, but I think that people who have worked in the industry for decades and produced huge hits should know better as to what types of stories aren't sellers.
Strike Witches - 09
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lol her jaw gnawing on her at the beginning of that makeout is hilarious
Its not the price, but the market size.
Even if the price is lower the market is the same dwindling amount of hardcore otaku who have very particular tastes. The otaku havent had issues so far buying up the latest popular stuff so its not an issue of affordability for them.
I still find it kind of strange that some shows get licensed and given a nice bluray release.
Fractale is one of those. a mega bomba, yet it got licensed and given a nice artbox and everything. Sales dont support such a move, yet much more popular shows get a DVD release, if anything at all. What gives? How do companies justify this stuff? Are companies saying SSY and Dennou coil would be even LESS successful than Fractale?
I have no idea what this is for. Can someone explain?
I have been fortunate to be able to attend school from elementary through college in my own city and find full time work here while also loving this city enough to want to stay here permanently. I'm sure it doesn't work that smoothly for most. I count my blessings everyday.
Again, Fractale's license shows that companies are completely full of fucking shit. Either something about SSY scares them off or they just plain dont like it.
I still have no clue how a 3 minute runtime for a mahou shoujo is going to work.
Strike Witches - 09
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You have seen Strawberry Panic right?
I'm glad someone else said it!
If people who worked in the industry for decades knew what sold, Madhouse wouldn't be Deadhouse.
But Maruyama, at least, was well aware of the projects that wouldn't sell and were being green-lighted for love of the art.
I'm not saying there is a formula, but if even random internet people on NeoGAF have some solid thoughts on why shows like Tamako fail, assuming the producers don't is underestimating them.
Last 3?
Jex
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[Martian Successor Nadesico] 1 - 8
I'm not entirely sure why this series is revered to the point where people still actually remember that it exists. This is not a series that has stood the test of the time although, frankly, I don't picture this being a particularly strong series when it came out. Sure, it's got a lot of 'ideas' and some of those are actually executed on fairly well but it's a very messy series that can't seem to get a handle on what it wants to be.
Which that I mean to say Hitokage is right, again. I can safely say that this shouldn't even be thought about in the same breath as other science fiction classics like Banner/Crest of the Stars.
Hmm, I guess that sounds rather harsh their you have it. The speed in which this devolved into a hare, (although it didn't start of great) is fairly trying. I guess this show is for you if you like girls with big chests.
I'm not entirely sure why this series is revered to the point where people still actually remember that it exists. This is not a series that has stood the test of the time although, frankly, I don't picture this being a particularly strong series when it came out. Sure, it's got a lot of 'ideas' and some of those are actually executed on fairly well but it's a very messy series that can't seem to get a handle on what it wants to be.
Which that I mean to say Hitokage is right, again. I can safely say that this shouldn't even be thought about in the same breath as other science fiction classics like Banner/Crest of the Stars.
Hmm, I guess that sounds rather harsh their you have it. The speed in which this devolved into a hare, (although it didn't start of great) is fairly trying. I guess this show is for you if you like girls with big chests.
If you really want to quit GAF, then just log out and don't post anymore.
I agree with you, but we random internet people have the advantage of hindsight. There's also a possibility that the difference between how the producers imagined Tamako Market in preproduction and how the actual production turned out were larger than they thought. Tamako had a rushed schedule, right?
Companies don't fund anime by themselves. In fact, some don't fund the shows at all, although this probably isn't the case with KyoAni. Generally, investors form a production committee (which the animation company might or might not be a large part of) to spread risk. Here's a decent explanation of it.
I keep seeing this. Is this confirmed? I only really remember it as part of a joke Hitokage started I think, and then Dresden said something I think...
I'm aware of that, but at the same time, Kyo-Ani isn't making so much money that it can afford to keep missing on shows while keeping production values as high as it does.
Unless its because they are Kyo-Ani and are given whatever budget they want when they want it (which seems to be the case)
I don't really know what to believe in this thread.
Yes I have but I don't want to remember it as my girl got screwed out of love.
Dedication Through Light
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Are there really that few entertaining anime for you?
Keep in mind that, although Tamako Market didn't do that well, Chuunibyou sold 16k. Not only that, it sold 16k while being the publishing company for the light novel and being a (presumably) large part of the production committee.
I know you like Shaft, so let's compare it to Shaft and Bakemonogatari. I wouldn't be surprised if Shaft saw a good profit from Bakemonogatari. That being said, far more of the profits from Bakemongatari goes to Aniplex and Kodansha, as sponsors and publishers, than to Shaft, who is only the animation company. I won't say that Chuunibyou made more for KyoAni than Bakemonogatari did for Shaft because I don't know that, but hopefully this conveys the big picture.
True. I think I know who you are talking about.
It was still interesting.
That wouldn't explain him wanting to be banned entirely.
Besides, he could totally get banned forever with a few choice words in OT if he wants to.
I'm sure the producers have their thoughts as well, but with the benefit of it being after the fact. There's never been a truly solid predictor of success, and that's true for just about any artistic endeavor. And even with hindsight it's hard to explain some hits (cough infinite stratos cough).
I don't think they expected Tamako to be a hit, though; and with the light novel sales (that kyoani pockets) + merchandise it won't be a hit on their account or anything.
Dedication Through Light
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I just cant ever recall him, and I guess a few others ever being happy or positive on anime in general.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
[Ginga e Kickoff!] 36
If there's one thing Captain Tsubasa has on this show it is that its matches are more tense. Everyone's back on haxx0r mode in Ginga e Kickoff!, and that's boring. They also spend too much time on silly melodrama nobody gives a shit about and even the football sakuga looks dumb now. You used to be cool, cartoon.
Perpetuating football stereotypes. Gerrard and Lampard on suicide watch.
If there's one thing Captain Tsubasa has on this show it is that its matches are more tense. Everyone's back on haxx0r mode in Ginga e Kickoff!, and that's boring. They also spend too much time on silly melodrama nobody gives a shit about and even the football sakuga looks dumb now.
You used to be cool, cartoon.Some people have very refined tastes.
dakkumauji
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Yu-Gi-Oh! ZeXal 59
And we have discovered the problem with DUELING ON ROLLER COASTERS.
And we have discovered the problem with DUELING ON ROLLER COASTERS.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Get to the second half.
Although I disagree with most of what you said anyway
A lot of it messy intentionally, its a parody anime and the focus isn't there early on.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Personally, I hold Nadesico as one of the greatest shows of all time, but it's possible that some of it that is clouded by nostalgia (although I watch it again pretty regularly and I still hold it to be pretty great). The second half of the show is much stronger than the first, but I think it's good all along. Much of the first half has to set certain things up so that they can be turned on their head in the second half.
It has interesting things to say about anime, and it utilizes the narrative structure in interesting ways, and it shows how form and function can work together to thread a meaningful story.
I also think it's probably the best example in anime of a story examining and critiquing religious fundamentalism, the ways that the government uses religion to control the masses, and how a positive message can become warped when politics are involved, but a lot of that doesn't come until the last few episodes.
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