If they have to defend themselves, they will. But it's not unrealistic to be mad at Ledo for massacring the pirates and escalating the situation beyond what they were prepared for. Or the shock of seeing such weapons on display.
I'll agree that shock it is shocking (this may have clouded their judgement on Ledo too!), and I'll even agree with them being angry at Ledo for killing all the pirates. Here's the problem: Amy went as asked Ledo to help them. Ledo, a foreign duder who comes from space with a giant robot, a robot none of them seem to know is built for war (which isn't their fault). She just asked for help, and he did what he was trained to do in that kind of situation.
I think their strategy was to disarm the pirates, which would destroy their morale enough that they wouldn't bother harassing/attacking Gargantia again. It didn't work though because Lukkage and her Yunboro minions pulled a surprise sneak attack on Gargantia from underwater.
They best hope that firing giant shells from a cannon that start big fires don't kill anybody or that the bullets don't accidentally hit someone in the face while they're trying to disarm people.
Their philosophy on fighting the pirates is great on paper, but completely unrealistic. I'm interested to see how the escalation between Gargantia and the pirates play out and how they handle the situation.
They best hope that firing giant shells from a cannon that start big fires don't kill anybody or that the bullets don't accidentally hit someone in the face while they're trying to disarm people.
Their philosophy on fighting the pirates is great on paper, but completely unrealistic. I'm interested to see how the escalation between Gargantia and the pirates play out and how they handle the situation.
I'll agree that shock it is shocking (this may have clouded their judgement on Ledo too!), and I'll even agree with them being angry at Ledo for killing all the pirates. Here's the problem: Amy went as asked Ledo to help them. Ledo, a foreign duder who comes from space with a giant robot, a robot none of them seem to know is built for war (which isn't their fault). She just asked for help, and he did what he was trained to do in that kind of situation.
dude got resolved pretty quickly, way quicker than I thought it would.
Izumiko with make-up looked pretty bad imho. I'm loving this show, but if there aren't some real explanations about who really are the bad people and who the good people, I'm going to be extremely confused going forward.
I'll agree that shock it is shocking (this may have clouded their judgement on Ledo too!), and I'll even agree with them being angry at Ledo for killing all the pirates. Here's the problem: Amy went as asked Ledo to help them. Ledo, a foreign duder who comes from space with a giant robot, a robot none of them seem to know is built for war (which isn't their fault). She just asked for help, and he did what he was trained to do in that kind of situation.
Apparently that's how it went down. I don't buy that nobody considered it though, especially given the fact that they had the downtime to talk about what he did.
This random dude from space who they know nothing about just massacred thirty or so people and landed them in a fucking battle with the biggest pirate fleet in the region. Of course they're going to be mad.
And they're not preaching some pacifistic bullshit. We had an entire conversation with Ledo and Bellows. It's precautionary stuff.
The biggest problem I had with the reactions in Gargantia is
the people saying that they should toss Ledo off the boat or hand him over to the pirates. Hello, he just demonstrated how incredibly powerful his "Yunboro" is, and you want to make him hostile? They should be terrified of him. Most of the dissenters among the crew just come off as caricatures of idiots rather than people with real opinions.
The biggest problem I had with the reactions in Gargantia is
the people saying that they should toss Ledo off the boat or hand him over to the pirates. Hello, he just demonstrated how incredibly powerful his "Yunboro" is, and you want to make him hostile? They should be terrified of him.
This random dude from space who they know nothing about just massacred thirty or so people and landed them in a fucking battle with the biggest pirate fleet in the region. Of course they're going to be mad.
And they're not preaching some pacifistic bullshit. We had an entire conversation with Ledo and Bellows. It's precautionary stuff.
I'll give it a rewatch tomorrow and correct myself if that's the case. The way I interpreted it on the first watch seemed pretty pacifist. I could be hella wrong about this whole thing because I don't remember the exact details of the conversation
Doesn't mean the outcome is completely his fault though, IMO. He did what he was trained to do in a battle. She reacted in the heat of the moment (which is completely understandable) and asked for help so her friends wouldn't get hurt. She didn't tell him
not to kill anybody
. I get that there is a disconnect between Ledo and the people of Gargantia as far as how battle goes, but it's not fair to scold him for doing what he was trained to do when he is in a completely foreign place and they haven't taught him otherwise. It's as much their fault as it is his.
It worked fine until the unknown element--the mech--came into play. You keep the conflict at a low-level so it doesn't lead to mass casualties. Ledo's appearance changes everything, but they don't realize it yet, so they cling to their old ways of solving problems. There's many historical parallels where two cultures encounter each other for the first time and confusion results because their ways of thinking are simply too alien to understand each other.
If anything, the problem with the series is that Ledo is adapting too quickly to the Gargantian society. Well, that and the big boobed lesbian pirate queen with her sex slaves.
No they don't make sense at all. If they did make sense, why are the people of Gargantia fighting back with the same guns, robots, and warships the pirates are trying to kill them with despite telling Ledo (practically telling him at least) that killing pirates is bad?
Not even a hater, I love the show so far. I wouldn't be so bothered by this if I didn't! The people of Gargantia have an interesting philosophy that they don't seem to do a very good job of following themselves.
It's one thing to say "We don't go out of our way to kill the pirates by actively pursuing them" and another to say "Killing them is bad, even when they attacked us!"
I'm going to fail my final tomorrow morning because Im too bothered to study and am spending my time posting about it here instead. Thanks Gargantia
Agatha Christie's Great Detectives Poirot and Marple 1
This is really charming and looks to scratch that mystery itch I have. Its apparenttly generally faithful to the original stories which is all the better. Thanks for the headsup, Bluwacky!
I'll give it a rewatch tomorrow and correct myself if that's the case. The way I interpreted it on the first watch seemed pretty pacifist. I could be hella wrong about this whole thing because I don't remember the exact details of the conversation
From what I remember, it was less 'turn the other cheek' and more 'carry a big stick.'
Doesn't mean the outcome is completely his fault though, IMO. He did what he was trained to do in a battle. She reacted in the heat of the moment (which is completely understandable) and asked for help so her friends wouldn't get hurt. She didn't tell him
not to kill anybody
. I get that there is a disconnect between Ledo and the people of Gargantia as far as how battle goes, but it's not fair to scold him for doing what he was trained to do when he is in a completely foreign place and they haven't taught him otherwise. It's as much their fault as it is his.
From their perspective, he acted independently and without ever consulting them. I agree that the blame shouldn't lie entirely at his feet, but at least, it's understandable why they blame him.
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And yes, the silliest thing this episode will be
how Lukkage and her slave chix survive that throw into the sea. Just the descent should have killed them. And just the whole half-naked pirate chief with tits thing.
Aight, I'll keep that in mind during the rewatch. I'll toss up some new impressions too (and hopefully take a step back and think a little more before posting knee-jerk impressions again )
From their perspective, he acted independently and without ever consulting them. I agree that the blame shouldn't lie entirely at his feet, but at least, it's understandable why they blame him.
I agree with this. It's understandable, but not right! Really would be awesome if they caught on to this in the show. If not oh well, it's not like the show is some sort of real world political statement.
And yes, the silliest thing this episode will be
how Lukkage and her slave chix survive that throw into the sea. Just the descent should have killed them. And just the whole half-naked pirate chief with tits thing.
It's kind of a shame how this show appears to have faded into oblivion after the decent amount of hype I remember it receiving before it aired.
What we have here is a show with what one would call a "kiddy" aesthetic which is nonetheless not very child friendly at all. It features a ton of humor, no doubt, but the vast majority of it is either raunchy or scatological in nature, which won't be everyone's cup of tea but which I found quite entertaining.
I mean, as far as I can recall, this is the only show where
in order to prevent the genocide of 4 billion people the main character must unleash his power of love and trigger an insane mass orgy that spans heaven, hell and earth and ends with humans, angels, monsters, demons and gods all climaxing simultaneously
.
And let's be honest here, if that is not entertainment then I don't know what is.
how Lukkage and her slave chix survive that throw into the sea. Just the descent should have killed them. And just the whole half-naked pirate chief with tits thing.
the whole battle seemed boring and pointless to me. You can't have any tension with that robot around, and the fact that Ledo is simply restraining himself just hurts the scene more because I knew from the start that it was a matter of time until he stomped everyone again. And he did.
The discussion going around how the characters reacted to Ledo seems to be indicative of a success on part of the creators: the clash of morals they presented in these two episodes worked well, enough to set viewers off.
Now that this has been established, I'm sure we'll have some slice of life-y episodes focusing on Ledo interacting with these people and showing us some more of Gargantia Fleet scenery porn.
Alright, so 2 seasons worth seems like a good time to update my opinion of this show so far. Apparently I stopped right before a string of rather good episodes.
Ep. 9 - Great background episode, the sequence about how Tsubomi grew up with her parents always away was really well done.
Ep. 10 - Finally some fights worth watching, depending on what Dark Precure's relation to Moonlight is the way the fight ends is either totally justified or a total cop out. Love how Erika's style amounts to just throwing a tantrum.
Ep. 11- Weakest episode in the chain of good episodes but I can't hate something with two tiny Bruce Lees.
Ep. 12 - Fantastic storyboarding with the two customers and the two stores. Nice to see the friendly neighbors doing stuff together.
Ep. 13 - Always enjoy a Dark Precure episode, same potential problem as episode 10.
Ep. 14 - Heard something about a great Mother's day episode, didn't expect it so soon. Props for going for a more tragic plot than most kid's shows but didn't feel as well executed as episode 9, still worth the watch.
Ep. 15 - Recurring student council president! Erika fashioning like a boss! FINALLY, a general fights the Precures directly!
Ep. 16 - Ah, rivalry with the drama club, these are the hijinks I crave and it's Erika centric to boot! A mirror against the light monster, obvious but a step above how most of these fights go.
Ep. 17 - Some nice background on the Precure legacy, makes me want to see some feudal Precure or wartime Precure.
Ep. 18 - Every magical girl show should have a yankee episode, even if he does turn out to be
a manga artist working on a story about said magical girls.
This of course is pretty awesome.
Ep. 19 - And this is where things start to lose steam. I'm glad they did a father's day episode but nothing really hooked me here.
Ep. 20-24- An arc is a good change of pace but what should've been a refreshing break in the formula felt a bit off. I think it's because around this time was when I was getting rather sick of the recycled animations so rather than being excited at the prospects of
a third Precure
instead it kind of made me cringe. The three generals finally working together, Precure scout antics, and more Dark Precure made it somewhat worthwhile though.
Ep. 25-26 - A summer Beach episode without swimsuits?! GASP! Enjoyed the sense of camaraderie among the generals. Sparklers suck though.
Sorry about how long this post is, I thought that would end up smaller than it turned out. But yeah generally things got better compared to the really early episodes with some higher stakes in some fights and more interesting character drama.
My only issue is the amount of recycled animation, I know it's an accepted trope of the genre but it drags things out. I was under the impression that transformations were the only bits I had to tolerate but between special attacks, heart seed pooping, extended eye catches, and turning wilting heart flowers into monsters it's starting to wear thin. Is this par for the course or is Heartcatch particularly bad about this?
I can see why people enjoy the show but what makes it so special? It seems to be a cut above the Digimons and Power rangers of the world (sorry, my lack of watching magical girls make closer comparisons harder to do) but nothing mind blowing. Hearing that this is the best Precure makes the other series sound sub par rather than Heartcatch being crazy good. Again I could be judging too soon but 26 episodes isn't exactly going by gut feelings here.
Other random thoughts:
- I wonder how this would turn out as a 15 minute show with less recycling. Some tighter pacing wouldn't be so bad.
-I'm glad that mysterious flower dude with glasses is used sparingly. I remember hearing about Tuxedo mask swooping in to save the day happening too often. That critique is only hearsay though, could be total BS.
-Apparently I totally misremembered how heart seeds were used. They're not eaten, they're sprayed on like perfume. So instead of eating shit it's only spraying shit all over themselves! the wholesomeness of japanese girls is saved!
Now that this has been established, I'm sure we'll have some slice of life-y episodes focusing on Ledo interacting with these people and showing us some more of Gargantia Fleet scenery porn.
Maybe we'll get a complete genre shift into a shoujo-style SoL where Ledo is the most popular guy at Gargantia High and all the women swoon over him. We'll follow Amy and her female classmates and watch the tension rise as the battle for Ledo's heart begins. All that + :SDBurton pirates.
Maybe we'll get a complete genre shift into a shoujo-style SoL where Ledo is the most popular guy at Gargantia High and all the women swoon over him. We'll follow Amy and her female classmates and watch the tension rise as the battle for Ledo's heart begins. All that + :SDBurton pirates.
I imagine that I'll watch it as a supplement to the manga at some point, but given the eccentricities and inconsistencies in quality, I don't want the anime to be my first exposure to the material. Watching the movie before reading the book is only okay if you're Lord of the Rings!
Speaking of which, I never did get around to reading Magi...
I'm fond of the show (and love the beginning and the end), but the middle episodes suffer horribly from all the dragged-out jokes. There just wasn't enough content there to fill a regular 23 minutes or w/e of airtime.
Someone should really make a HMS! OT. It's a pretty popular show. I'd do it but it deserves a quality OT, especially since it's use of lines in its art could make for a really nice one.
On thing that is annoying is how pathetic Kyosuke is. Why is he loving all her abuse? Masochism? also, he pathetic enough to get her drinks all the time just for her to refuse and keep staring at her....
