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Square Enix: Forspoken Sales Were Lackluster, Many Small and Mid Games Underperformed
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
feynoob
Banned
Invested more in nfts, instead of actually fixing their games and their studios.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/decryp...f-tomb-raider-fund-nft-blockchain-games?amp=1
Chukhopops
Member
Agreed, they should give up on making JRPGs and produce what works with their new audience.
Thirty7ven
Banned
SE keeps this up and they will be a mobile only publisher by the end of the decade.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
I just bought some Panorama visual novel they just put out yesterday that no one is talking about. Some people are saying its a GOTY contender.
Bought Diofield, Triangle Strategy, Star Ocean, Stranger in Paradise, Chrono Cross, Voice of Cards, Dungeon Encounters. Bought Octopath 2.
Price on Tactics Ogre and Harvestella was absurd.
Skipped Valkyrie Elysium. Skipped Front Mission 1. Skipped Centennial Case. Skipped Forspoken.
Their AA games are some of the best things they make.
Bought Diofield, Triangle Strategy, Star Ocean, Stranger in Paradise, Chrono Cross, Voice of Cards, Dungeon Encounters. Bought Octopath 2.
Price on Tactics Ogre and Harvestella was absurd.
Skipped Valkyrie Elysium. Skipped Front Mission 1. Skipped Centennial Case. Skipped Forspoken.
Their AA games are some of the best things they make.
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Saiyan-Rox
Member
The fuck are you talking about? I think saying fuck in every sentence is a fucking genius way of telling the characters fucking hatred and fucking hatred for everyone
Fuck
CortexVortex
Banned
Not surprised to be honest. Most of them are good games, don’t get me wrong, but releasing them within a timeframe of like two months was an absolutely stupid move.
I haven’t played Forspoken yet but will probably pick it up once it goes on sale or joins PS Plus.
I haven’t played Forspoken yet but will probably pick it up once it goes on sale or joins PS Plus.
a multicultural team of v
Member
Honestly the sheer number of smaller games they released is kind of ridiculous. There are like 5 games that I still plan to get to, but even if I only played those games it would take me a few months to get through them since they are all RPGs.
And release Star Ocean 2 already ffs. The Japanese version exists, an English translation exists, get Sony to pay for the manpower for someone to combine the two and throw it on Plus as the big Premium classic game for a month.
And release Star Ocean 2 already ffs. The Japanese version exists, an English translation exists, get Sony to pay for the manpower for someone to combine the two and throw it on Plus as the big Premium classic game for a month.
Paranomasight? I've just been deleting every marketing email I got about it without reading, I didn't realize it would actually be good. Not that it matters since it isn't getting a Playstation release, but I'll have to keep an eye on it in case it does.
Dr_Ifto
Member
You know what sucks, I forgot Diofield even existed and I wanted to play it. I also bought Tactics Ogre, and have yet to play it....
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
I know almost nothing about it. What I've heard;
- Recommended to go in blind
- Famous artist?
- Some people who've played think it's extremely good.
Faust
Perpetually Tired
Excluding Forspoken, I loved all their games they recently released. Harvestella was fun, Diofeld was fun, Triangle Strategy and Octopath 2 were amazing, I adore dungeon encounters, voice of cards, and Valkyrie Elysium.
Tactics Ogre is fantastic as well, even if I don’t like the smoothing of the pixel art.
I would gladly pay full price for an A to AA game from them than most of their AAA titles any day of the week.
If anything, they releases too many games I want and delayed their physical releases. I prefer to get physical English Asia copies from Play Asia typically so I am 2-3 months behind their digital launches.
Tactics Ogre is fantastic as well, even if I don’t like the smoothing of the pixel art.
I would gladly pay full price for an A to AA game from them than most of their AAA titles any day of the week.
If anything, they releases too many games I want and delayed their physical releases. I prefer to get physical English Asia copies from Play Asia typically so I am 2-3 months behind their digital launches.
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I want to buy Tactics Ogre: Reborn, Diofield Chronicle, and Star Ocean: The Divine Force, but not at their current price.
The Valkyrie Elysium demo didn't sell me on the game.
There have been several posts by people on GAF questioning the release timing of these games. All released close to each other, with basically no marketing, and at high prices.
My just hope I can get one last SaGa game out of Kawazu.
The Valkyrie Elysium demo didn't sell me on the game.
There have been several posts by people on GAF questioning the release timing of these games. All released close to each other, with basically no marketing, and at high prices.
My just hope I can get one last SaGa game out of Kawazu.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
No thank you. Xbox and Game Pass have been giving us tons of great games we don't need any failed filler trash.
remember_spinal
Banned
It fits right into gamepass what do you mean?
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
Considering that you're straight up trolling and there's a mod commenting like 2 posts above you, maybe knock it off. Has literally nothing to do with the thread. You guys argue constantly that retail is the only healthy future of the medium, that Sony gamers like paying for their games, that Sony helps with development, that Sony helps with marketing. Well this game didn't turn out well. Now you argue it should be on Gamepass. Why are you bringing this up?
remember_spinal
Banned
Why is gamepass being brought up at all? Only reason you idiots keep bringing up forspoken is because of the exact reasons you listed above because of it being an playstation exclusive, you’re not slick and i dont care if you run and report me to the mods. You know what you’re doing as well
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Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
Dude, I don't have to report you and I don't really report anyone except in extremely rare occurrences - back when we had a politics forum. I'm trying to talk to you like a normal person and tell you to cut it out. How about we just leave it at that.
I didn't talk about Forspoken much at all. I'm much more interested in their AA games.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Financially Square will be fine, I believe they have a hefty amount of cash and constant revenue from the likes of FFXIV and a few others. Their bigger hitters will also bring home the bacon over the next couple of years, FFXVI, FFVIIR, DQXII, KH4 etc...
However they really need to put an end to this bleed and produce fewer games, but of higher quality. As well as bring in better talent into their smaller production units.
Something like Stranger of Paradise, deserved a higher budget and more resources for example, which it could have got if they weren't funding about 10 other projects on the side. It likely would have been a hit then given the fundamental basis of the game is well recieved.
However they really need to put an end to this bleed and produce fewer games, but of higher quality. As well as bring in better talent into their smaller production units.
Something like Stranger of Paradise, deserved a higher budget and more resources for example, which it could have got if they weren't funding about 10 other projects on the side. It likely would have been a hit then given the fundamental basis of the game is well recieved.
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nowhat
Member
Yeah, this. That's so Square for Enix. Not that I'm bitter about Sleeping Dogs or anything.
Rat Rage
Member
Square Enix get what they deserve. Like so many legendary video game studios before them, they've become victim to the devil of too much money & corporatism.
It's a universal disease that plagues all of humanity. The only tiny chance they had to have prevented this, was. to never have grown so rapidly and stayed small as a company.
Realistically, they could've gone handheld only, focusing on their former strength in gameplay, storytelling, world creation, thus not being forces to fully compete in the next gen console arms race, but they chose the way of quick money & corporatism, abandoning their own identity by forever chasing trends.
Instead of being kings in one domain, they chose to become mediocre trash in another.
But it's hard to blame them, because preventing that quality decline would've taken a lot of wisdom, which they clearly didn't have back then.
It's a universal disease that plagues all of humanity. The only tiny chance they had to have prevented this, was. to never have grown so rapidly and stayed small as a company.
Realistically, they could've gone handheld only, focusing on their former strength in gameplay, storytelling, world creation, thus not being forces to fully compete in the next gen console arms race, but they chose the way of quick money & corporatism, abandoning their own identity by forever chasing trends.
Instead of being kings in one domain, they chose to become mediocre trash in another.
But it's hard to blame them, because preventing that quality decline would've taken a lot of wisdom, which they clearly didn't have back then.
I'm still looking forward to Front Mission 2 Remake (and 3), because there seems to be at least a very tiny group of actually passionate developers left at this company.
GymWolf
Member
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
In hindsight it seems Luminous problems might have been connected to Tabata leaving in 2018. The guy got a pretty raw deal having basically pulled together FFXV from the ashes and it selling decently, but then management still canning half the DLC. Next he sets up Luminous with a small team (20-30 people) presumably gets Forspoken under way, but then leaves/is removed less than 6 months later.
Its pretty obvious when a guy sets up a new internal studio then departs shortly after to become CEO of his own studio outside of SE that he wasn't given either the freedom or backing he was after.
Its pretty obvious when a guy sets up a new internal studio then departs shortly after to become CEO of his own studio outside of SE that he wasn't given either the freedom or backing he was after.
Jim Ryan other Clone
Banned
You know you were in the past as Remember Spinal, with interesting posts but hiden console wars messages inside of them. Lately you have turned around and you are just an interesting poster, what about to send a message to him/her what you did to improve. It's shame to lose people with good takes and interesting opinions because they have always to protect for some reason their brand of choice.
stn
Member
I'm not surprised. Like, I love Stranger of Paradise, for example, but the average gamer will be turned off due to the graphics feeling last-gen. Same with Star Ocean - very solid game but it looks mediocre and runs poorly. Based on what I tried with the Elysium demo, it has the same issues.
I'm still playing Stranger and Star, and plan to purchase Elysium, but what was Square expecting, honestly?
I'm still playing Stranger and Star, and plan to purchase Elysium, but what was Square expecting, honestly?
mrmustard
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HotSauceEnema
Member
It's a terrible game, and coming out so close to Hogwarts Legacy, an actually fun open world magic RPG, didn't help.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
But I got told on here that Forspoken is performing well in all regions....
Gaf, wrong again? Dammit!
Gaf, wrong again? Dammit!
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Hopefully, they'll go belly up they deserve it for what they did to FF starting with X. Don't @ me and yes I'm triggered.
Square Enix says Forspoken sales have been lackluster, and many small and mid-sized titles "did not perform as well as we had expected" | RPG Site
Square Enix financials in their HD Games segment don't look too hot.www.rpgsite.net
The briefing primarily discusses the financial results for Q1-Q3 of the fiscal year ending March 31, 2023, focusing on the most recent quarter of October through December 2022. However, given that the briefing itself took place a week after the release of Forspoken, Square Enix also makes comment about the recent RPG from the soon-defunct Luminous Productions.
On page 3 of the outline, while a specific title is not mentioned, Square Enix President Yosuke Matsuda (who will leave the position next Summer) stated the following about the slate of "small and mid-sized titles" that released in the current fiscal year.
BootsLoader
Banned
Synless
Member
It was the right long term choice. These things are not connected.
OuterLimits
Member
Ugh. This sucks. Not about Forspoken, but the many quality AA titles they were releasing. Granted, towards the end of the year they were just releasing many of them not far apart. Not sure how they expected that to work well.
They better make another Triangle Strategy though. Brilliant game.
They better make another Triangle Strategy though. Brilliant game.
HotSauceEnema
Member
they were working on it roughly 5 years ago when some concept artists came to my university for a presentation so... budget seems pretty high. Definitely in the AAA range.
From what I played, Forspoken is not a bad game, and there are some good elements technically like the magics, all that sparks and so on.
But you can't release a game in this state and say this is a next gen game only because you put some raytracing here and there. FFXV in 2016 was better and more coherent.
And yes, there is a ocean between being irreverent and being annoying.
But you can't release a game in this state and say this is a next gen game only because you put some raytracing here and there. FFXV in 2016 was better and more coherent.
And yes, there is a ocean between being irreverent and being annoying.
OuterLimits
Member
Has anyone played Harvestella or Diofield? Worth it?
Gambit2483
Member
Now I see why they changed leadership. Way too many mistakes have been made....hopefully new management puts an end to that block chain bullshit.
feynoob
Banned
You don't invest on block chain, when your games are suffering commercially.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Press permaban for: [Subtle fan warrior dig, in hopes nobody notices]
feynoob
Banned
I guess he is a skeleton now.
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Umbasaborne
Banned
Forspoken was advertised as marquee ps exclusive. Why are the graphics so rotten on that platform? Especially compared to cross gen lookers like horizon fw
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Synless
Member
Again, show me where one of these things has a direct impact on the other. They are not related initiatives.