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Square Enix says sales of Final Fantasy 16 are “extremely strong”, telling IGN the game has sold well relative to the PS5 install base
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I'm hoping it will do well and I think FF7R is supposed to be a 3 part deal. So Remake, Rebirth, and R????.
Hopefully people go in not expecting a FF7 Remake. Huge miscommunication between fans and the devs.
Punished Miku
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Logic would dictate that VIIR-2 and VIIR-3 will sell less than the first. Any direct story sequel will.
Maybe the sequels convince more people to start on part 1 that haven't bought it, and probably also sell some trilogy packs for cheaper but I'd expect each one is less than the first, like X-2, XIII-2, XIII-LR.
Madflavor
Member
At this point it's pretty well established that this is some kind of Remake/Sequel hybrid. Whatever controversy that comes our way will be related to whether whatever story changes they make is well received or not.
I'm a great and powerful psychic, and I foresee them not having Aerith die. This will cause a divide between fans.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Yeah but just imagine how awesome the sales would be if they stuck to the traditional strategic turnbase roots. It would probably be at 100m by now.
Square has not been shy in the past to state when they are disappointed with sales for one of their games. They seem pleased here and by all accounts, the game is selling really well for a PS5 exclusive and coming off of FF15 which sold well but was poorly received by most gamers.
It’s likely up to 4M now which is $280M. You have to imagine Sony’s cut of that is less than 30% given the exclusivity deal they worked out.
If you’re an FF fan and are on the fence, I recommend going for it and getting the game. It’s excellent and really scratches the FF itch.
It’s likely up to 4M now which is $280M. You have to imagine Sony’s cut of that is less than 30% given the exclusivity deal they worked out.
If you’re an FF fan and are on the fence, I recommend going for it and getting the game. It’s excellent and really scratches the FF itch.
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There's also the fact that it's current-gen only. they could get double the attach rate of the first and it would still sell less.
10% of all ps5 owners picking up a game in its launch week is a good number. If sony hadnt been willing to foot the bill to cover the difference, they'd have struggled to justify making it current-gen only.
all-time highs are only in the 15-20% range, and those are real anomalies (zelda on switch/first 6 months of console life/gta5's shark card grift to pad unit sales).
This might be the highest attach rate ever achieved almost 3 years into a console's life, even the biggest selling games don't break 5%
Launch week all-time high records start at 11m for gta5, and quickly drop to the 4-5m range. 3m on an install base that's 1/4 the size (more for multi platforms) is very notable.
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blackjon24
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Could be wrong but when I look at the numbers for uncharted and horizon, first week ff16 did better?
Uncharted 4 moved 2.7 million units in its first week
www.destructoid.com
Horizon Zero Dawn sales top 2.6M units in under two weeks
Guerrilla’s best launch ever
www.polygon.com
Both went on to sell 15mil and 20 mil respectively, so I don't know why people want to call ff16 a failure so quickly after it comes out even after square enix themselves called the performance"extremely strong". This is all while ignoring how much competition so far this year for players time on Playstation compared to what Horizon and uncharted 4 faced. Also shouldn't ignore the higher price tag for ff16.
It is funny, a game like octopath traveller 2, which is a turn based classic rpg took until june to reach 1 million copies on a huge install base, doing worse than its predecessor and not one peep out of people.
Octopath Traveler 2 Sales Top One Million Worldwide | TechRaptor
Octopath Traveler 2 sales have topped one million, and Square Enix and Acquire have shared a new commemorative piece of art to celebrate.
techraptor.net
Guaranteed square looks at that and thinks it did the right moves with ff16
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Could be wrong but when I look at the numbers for uncharted and horizon, first week ff16 did better?
Uncharted 4 moved 2.7 million units in its first week
Horizon Zero Dawn sales top 2.6M units in under two weeks
Guerrilla’s best launch ever
Both went on to sell 15mil and 20 mil respectively, so I don't know why people want to call ff16 a failure so quickly after it comes out even after square enix themselves called the performance"extremely strong". This is all while ignoring how much competition so far this year for players time on Playstation compared to what Horizon and uncharted 4 faced and also the higher price tag for ff16
It is funny, a game like octopath traveller 2, which is a turn base classic rpg took until june to reach 1 million copies on a huge install base, doing worse than its predecessor and not one peep out of people.
Octopath Traveler 2 Sales Top One Million Worldwide | TechRaptor
Octopath Traveler 2 sales have topped one million, and Square Enix and Acquire have shared a new commemorative piece of art to celebrate.
Guaranteed square looks at that and thinks it did the right moves with ff16
You could be right.
I tend to think Final Fantasy has a mid size, rabid fanbase, and not much outside of that. Horizon and Uncharted feel like games that are much better at attracting the fence sitters than FFXVI. We will see. I'm not holding my breath on Squares "10 million FFXVI sales" announcement". I could be wrong.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
Let's see some real, up to date numbers.
Spitfire098
Gold Member
LostDonkey
Member
Never played the demo. Went in completely blind.
Loving it so far, only a few hours in though.
Loving it so far, only a few hours in though.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Game is fun as fuck, and written by a team that actually understands written language and how people actually feel and behave.
If you're in the camp that thinks a franchise is only relevant if it's on every platform, on a streaming service, has a mix of black to white at 7:1, and has a script filled with contemporary memes and lectern speak to be successful, well then...Final Fantasy has never been for you, and the argument that it's bad because it isn't a completely different game is....kek
Keep speculating that 3 mil in like the first week is bad sales optics, I'm gonna kick it in Valisthea in the meantime. Deuces.
If you're in the camp that thinks a franchise is only relevant if it's on every platform, on a streaming service, has a mix of black to white at 7:1, and has a script filled with contemporary memes and lectern speak to be successful, well then...Final Fantasy has never been for you, and the argument that it's bad because it isn't a completely different game is....kek
Keep speculating that 3 mil in like the first week is bad sales optics, I'm gonna kick it in Valisthea in the meantime. Deuces.
Poplin
Member
this has always been the story, glad its finally being heard.
Every comparison to past games doesnt factor where the games launched:
FF15 - Xbox and PS launch at peak install base for Gen 8
FF7R - PS only, naturally will sell less than 15, and because it came out at the end of Gen 8/beginning of Gen 9 you had hold offs
FF16 - PS5 only in year 3, install base is a fraction of the base that 15 launched into
This is why attach rate matters - what share of the available players did the game attract. FF16 did very well, the attach rate is remarkable for a third party title.
Every comparison to past games doesnt factor where the games launched:
FF15 - Xbox and PS launch at peak install base for Gen 8
FF7R - PS only, naturally will sell less than 15, and because it came out at the end of Gen 8/beginning of Gen 9 you had hold offs
FF16 - PS5 only in year 3, install base is a fraction of the base that 15 launched into
This is why attach rate matters - what share of the available players did the game attract. FF16 did very well, the attach rate is remarkable for a third party title.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Yup. Clive, Cid and Dion in particular are dope.
I was also surprised at how much I enjoyed side characters like Gav, Tarja, Otto etc...
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TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
I haven't even scraped much past the first Hideaway visit (busy month) but I agree, in Spades. Recruiting someone with theater background, who ALSO happens to be a big fan of the franchise, was an awesome call. You can really see in interviews and podcasts how much reverence and passion he has for the franchise and role.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I bend the knee.
The fact that they're planning to do future FFXVI content shows me that I am indeed wrong. I still think I'm 1% correct, but I'm 99% wrong. It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong.
The fact that they're planning to do future FFXVI content shows me that I am indeed wrong. I still think I'm 1% correct, but I'm 99% wrong. It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
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TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
I'm surprised no dissenters have taken the "They turned XIII into a Trilogy because they didn't make enough money, so they asset flipped to hell and back and that's totally what's happening with XVI DLC," yet.
You're welcome for the idea, haters, give me gold.
skit_data
Member
Hmm.. a little throwback:
What is it with this guy exactly? This is like -I'm not joking- the third or fourth time he's reporting or stating stuff that seems to be wildly off in regards to Playstation related stuff.
Did Kaz Hirai piss in his morning cereal or something?
What is it with this guy exactly? This is like -I'm not joking- the third or fourth time he's reporting or stating stuff that seems to be wildly off in regards to Playstation related stuff.
Did Kaz Hirai piss in his morning cereal or something?
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TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Punished Miku
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XIII-2 and LR held the company together and were made on the cheap just to get something out the door. Every other major console project cratered during development, like XIV, KH3, VsXIII. XIII-2 and LR were definitely not big sellers, but the costs were kept down too so it was probably better than nothing.
XIII was definitely profitable just from the 1st game alone. It sold really well.
yazenov
Member
Since we are talking about sales, let's take about revenue as well.
FF7 Remake: 3.5 million x $60 = 210 million
FF16 : 3 million x$70 = 210 million
So in terms of dollar sales, FF16 generated the same revenue as FF7 Remake on a much smaller userbase.
I'm sure SE is pleased with these results.
FF7 Remake: 3.5 million x $60 = 210 million
FF16 : 3 million x$70 = 210 million
So in terms of dollar sales, FF16 generated the same revenue as FF7 Remake on a much smaller userbase.
I'm sure SE is pleased with these results.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
i dont believe them
Myths
Member
Before no DLC, now rumored there could be …
Yeah, I’ll be skipping that entry the same way I skipped XV. Now if it’s anything like XII, put me on.
Yeah, I’ll be skipping that entry the same way I skipped XV. Now if it’s anything like XII, put me on.
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xellos2099alpha
Member
Honestly, $70 for a game is fine. Hell, I have the deluxe edition for $100 and it is fine for me. I like the game; it is not perfect, but i find the time i spend in it very enjoyable, then again i am someoen who think star ocean 6 is fine. Honestly... I do not believe if the game is priced at $60 it would attract more sale.
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DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
FWIW I was very disappointed in some aspects of the game (boring side quests, boring filler between the story missions, pointless crafting system, boring weapons/armor that only give a few % atk/def increases and don’t change how you play)
But I’m still glad it’s doing well. When it’s good, it’s really fucking good. Battle system is fun and the boss/Eikon battles are some of the coolest things I’ve ever seen in a video game.
Hoping they take the criticism to heart and give us a XVI-2 with all the boring shit removed, better loot, customizable party members, etc. it has a lot of potential.
But I’m still glad it’s doing well. When it’s good, it’s really fucking good. Battle system is fun and the boss/Eikon battles are some of the coolest things I’ve ever seen in a video game.
Hoping they take the criticism to heart and give us a XVI-2 with all the boring shit removed, better loot, customizable party members, etc. it has a lot of potential.
Thirty7ven
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iHaunter
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Because Playstation bad and their check didn't clear.
The artful mincer
Member
No Men in Boxes we need you leading the counter attack!
I will take the reins then
.This game has sold fine not amazing and obviously not bad it's done enough to probably be profitable already and justify dlc blah blah.
BUT! It's not the mega hit Square obviously want it to be. When all is said and done it won't be at God of war, Horizon or even resident evil level.
All this BS about attach rates etc ain't gone change that.
And Square fucking want it to be that big why on earth wouldn't they? Yoshida was banging on about how FF was no longer a must buy any more and this game was attempting to change that.
Well news flash it hasn't. It sold enough to be profitable and to justify Sqaure faffing about with this franchise for another 5 years not really committing to anything.
And yes I have a vested interest in Future FFs not being like FF16 fucking sue me!
yazenov
Member
One point people are missing is that big exclusive games such as Final Fantasy, a long-lasting, storied, and adored franchise released early in the console life cycle are extremely valuable assets to the console manufacturers. It will undoubtedly add value to the console and help to sell a lot of units for Sony.
SE and Sony aren't just looking into the sales of the game, but also the sales of the PS5 as well. Killing 2 birds with one stone if you will.
For Square-Enix exclusivity (including the delay of the potential PC version), Sony's main objective was to increase the sales of the PS5 by adding value to the console with exclusive games. Sony should have already compensated Square-Enix handsomely for the contributions. A win-win situation for both parties.
SE and Sony aren't just looking into the sales of the game, but also the sales of the PS5 as well. Killing 2 birds with one stone if you will.
For Square-Enix exclusivity (including the delay of the potential PC version), Sony's main objective was to increase the sales of the PS5 by adding value to the console with exclusive games. Sony should have already compensated Square-Enix handsomely for the contributions. A win-win situation for both parties.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
No Men in Boxes we need you leading the counter attack!
I will take the reins then
This game has sold fine not amazing and obviously not bad it's done enough to probably be profitable already and justify dlc blah blah.
BUT! It's not the mega hit Square obviously want it to be. When all is said and done it won't be at God of war, Horizon or even resident evil level.
All this BS about attach rates etc ain't gone change that.
And Square fucking want it to be that big why on earth wouldn't they? Yoshida was banging on about how FF was no longer a must buy any more and this game was attempting to change that.
Well news flash it hasn't. It sold enough to be profitable and to justify Sqaure faffing about with this franchise for another 5 years not really committing to anything.
And yes I have a vested interest in Future FFs not being like FF16 fucking sue me!
Alright! I'm back on board!
FFXVI will slide to a halt at ~8 million units sold, it'll be heavily discounted starting in 2024 and it will ultimately be classified as a lukewarm success! God, this feels good.
It's the Days Gone of the PS5 generation. Shake things up at Square! Give the reins to the younger generation! Mainline Final Fantasy is in limbo!
Punished Miku
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It's a system seller series for probably 2-3 million people, for sure. Vocal people that shift console perception.
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mckmas8808
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Go_Ly_Dow
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Well if lets say there are 3mil diehard FF fans that would buy a PS5 for a new mainline FF game, then at $500 per console thats $1.5bil in revenue for Sony. As well as income from the game and lifecycle income from new PS5 owners subcribing to PSN and buying other games. Hypothetical again, but if lets say Sony gave S-E $50mil for exclusivity for the game, then that would be a great investment for them. Maybe it was more than $50mil, or maybe less.
I can see this game going on to sell 5-6mil on PS5 and maybe more. It will probably hit somewhere around 4-5mil by the end of this year.
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Punished Miku
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They've always seen it as a system seller, since FFVII. They advertised Versus XIII before it even started development to try and kickstart sales in Japan. It's clearly valuable for them.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Maybe the best point I've ever heard about the sales of FF16.
yazenov
Member
Exclusive games are a thing for a reason. They help sell consoles by adding value and decreasing the value of the other platforms. Otherwise, why even bother paying for exclusives?
Punished Miku
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For sure.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Some folks on here, half of Reeee and 90% of Install Base are in shambles.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Indeed, also I think as a collective, making sure your platform can secure the likes of: FF, Yakuza, KH, DQ, Persona, NieR, Tales etc... will lock in the wider JRPG crowd which is sizeable and vocal. Its an important crowd that's predominantly locked in on Playstation over Xbox.
Xbox tried hard to win that crowd during the 360 gen but ultimately failed, depsite initially it looking like it may succeed.