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Is there any one "reason" other than principle that they are developing for it?? Online? What the console can do?

What did the Squenix guy say 'It's a whole new platform' or something. Sounds like they all got technology boners for it.

 

[God's Hand]

Li Mu Bai, no offense, but since when do you have any contacts at all in any industry aside from your McDonald's manager? You're just a fan, no one has told you anything. Just irks me all the people on this board lately implying they know something they don't.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

FF games will benefit strongly from new technologies.

just imagine a gyro-controled battle or something, it would be nice I guess.

 

[sc0la]

I thought we trimmed cooter for good?

 

[Baconäger]

Li Mu Bai, no offense, but since when do you have any contacts at all in any industry aside from your McDonald's manager? You're just a fan, no one has told you anything. Just irks me all the people on this board lately implying they know something they don't.

Epic is already testing UE3 on Revolution dev kits. Probably an easy port, since both the Rev and 360 have similar architecture.

:lol

 

[John Harker]

Guys!

I found it.
I found the game that Wada is talking about.
The game that can seamlessly be played at home on your Revolution, and on the go with your DS.

The launch RPG that Square Enix is working on for Nintendo......

woa, ready...?

 

[DrGAKMAN]

When they put FF on Revolution Sony might sell all their shares and swear off the company forever, so who knows.

Durring the SNES to N64 transition, that's what Nintendo did with their Square shares.

Is there any one "reason" other than principle that they are developing for it?? Online? What the console can do?

-more powerful than 360
-new ways to game (means new ways to sell games)
-easy/free/wireless networking
-Nintendo's commitment to attracting non-gamers into gaming
-maybe they're waking up and realizing that supporting a Sony wannabe (MS) isn't as good an idea as supporting something different (Nintendo) from Sony
-maybe they don't want Sony and/or MS to have too much dominance 'cos they know in the long run that if one ends up being a clear victor then it's back to the totalitarian NES-Nintendo days
-making money ON YOUR OWN is more rewarding than selling out for money hats
-Nintendo is a hardware maker, but, they're also a software maker...they should be more knowledgable in how to make money in the games business better than an electronics giant who want you to live in their Sony-only world and a monopolistic OS company who also wants you to live in their MS-only world
-maybe it's 'cos Nintendo's approach is to find new ways to play games (and thus make games) instead of just upping developement, publishing and advertising costs

With Japanese 3RD parties merging left & right to beef up for next generation and western 3RD parties either getting lucky on consumer ignorance or ending up in the scraps (this generation has seen the death of how many western game companies now?) and if any of them had sense they'd follow Nintendo. Nintendo isn't about wasting big budget's on "mega-hit-game #204", nor are they about employeeing 200 people to make said games. Nintendo, with the least marketshare and least mindshare STILL knows how to survive, still knows how to make hit games and still knows how to make money. If alot of those developers were as serious about GCN support as they were about X-BOX support this generation, then things would've been different. Maybe some of them are realizing this now?

I'll tell you there's only a few western publishers who matter in all honesty, EA ('cos of sports their sheer size and growth when they keep taking companis over), Activision ('cos they're smart and have been a third party for longer than any of them and they almost always give equal/fair support), Midway (they were sorta on my "soon to die" list earlier this generation, but they're really turning things around *cough*sumnerredstoneviacom*cough* and they have a back catalog of *their own* games to franchise off of which is great) & Ubisoft (Tom Clanceysoft...godbless you for fighting EA off with a stick).

Overhyped western crap list:
-Eidos (they'll be dead soon with EA and Sega fighting for the crappy remains)
-TakeTwo (Acclaim was on top of the world once too...one trick ponies, bad decisions *cough*whatdidyoudotoTDKyoubasterds*cough*, crappy licencing and lot's of overblown self hyping got them nowhere)
-THQ (they lose their Nikalodean licence *cough*ParamontViacomMidway*cough* and if they keep screwing up WWE games and they're done)
-Atari (sorry...it's true)

Sorry...I turned this into a "I hate western developers" post. Anyways, as long as Nintendo get's all of the Eatern developers as well as EA, Activision, Midway & Ubisoft on board we should be good. Hopefully Nintendo can actually GET some decent SNK/Playmore, Square/Enix, Tecmo, Konami/Hudson, Sega/Sammy, Atlus this time as well as: CAPCOM, Namco/Bandai, Tomy/Takara! Hey...on that subject, wasn't there three smaller companies Konami invested in this generation (Hudson, Takara and...who? there was another one)?

Boy am I tired...I forgot Majesco & Lucasarts...yeah, well...I like them...mmm...Bloodrayne *yawns* boobies...*snore*I hate PC developers*snore*PC games suck*snore*

 

[John Harker]

Quote:

So what am I getting at here? My imagination may be a but over-active but I’m left with the feeling that Nintendo wants to make a large virtual community comprised of people that are friends with one another. That they want to revolutionize the way we interact with games and think of games. They’ve always been reserved about online gaming but not multiplayer specifically. So what if they created their own “Internet” there own cyberspace centered around a friend-based model.

Take that with this:

The term Iwata uses to describe the Nintendo Wi-Fi experience is “seamless.” This includes a pain-free connection process both at the retailer kiosks and, if you use one of Nintendo’s specified wireless routers, in your home. Nintendo is hoping that, even when playing Online, players will feel like they’re playing with a DS that’s located in the same room.

And you may start speculating that if wi-fi is all around, we have Revolutions and DS’ that can see and connect to other Revolution/DS systems, and people are running Nintendo wireless routers connected to the Internet… suddenly Nintendo could form what could be essentially a gigantic WAN. We’d all be able to walk around with our DS or GBA2 and be somehow connected to the Nintendo network that shows us who’s nearby. You might even have the possibility of playing online without having your own Internet connection so long as you have a friend nearby that does.

It’s an interesting concept and one I haven’t heard explored… anyone else have thoughts on this idea?


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Edit:

I dug up a quote from the now-infamous “Aries” that seems to backup a bit of my speculation.

Aries: “As Nintendo has stated before, the system will be online. In my eyes, the online system they have set up is the most revolutionary part of the system. While Sony and Microsoft are busy turning their systems into trojan horses for their other electronic devices, Nintendo is going to use the Revolution for direct communication with gamers. The only way I can describe it is as an internet service. Imagine turning it on and checking your mail on the system. You see previews and demos of DS and Revolution games that you can download. A magazine similar to Nintendo Power will be exclusive to the system, and you will be able to access it on the Revolution’s homepage. As you check you mail, you will also see various invitations from gamers on your buddy list who want to play you. There are so many other ways this is going to be used. Once the Revolution comes out, there will be no reason to hang out on message boards. Message boards as well as chat rooms will be available on the Revolution so that gamers can discuss and challenge each other all day. And the best thing is that the entire thing is totally free and easy to use. Why play Madden on Xbox Live when you’ll be able to play it for free on the Revolution with much better services?”

I realize that there has been a lot of controversy over the legitimacy of this person but I found it interesting none the less.

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Taken from broken saints or specifically here

Yo, its a pretty good read. I post it here because the article quotes Wada often and uses it to back his claims.
AGAIN new information begins to support more of what "Aries" was saying.
This guy has been totally for real so far.

But disregarding that.... doesn't this all sound pretty interesting? New? yea.

 

[Jonnyram]

I don't think it's a secret that Nintendo will definitely have some kind of online product information service going when they get Revolution up and running (they wanted to do it with 64DD and they probably wanted to do it before that too). But they may offer DS demo downloads too. That would be pretty nifty.

 

[Link]

Hey...on that subject, wasn't there three smaller companies Konami invested in this generation (Hudson, Takara and...who? there was another one)?

Genki

 

[fse]

Didn't Nintendo want the NES to have some online component ? Primitive yes, but some network?

 

[StRaNgE]

It doesn't really mean people you met. People you know are included. It's just referring to keeping out strangers. And personally, as a father, I would be happy knowing that my son cannot play with completely random people.

Have you used Friendster?

yeah that was what i was thinking, like myspace or friendster...

 

[Gaia Theory]

Wada finishes off on the note of support from Square Enix: "From here on, we'll have to challenge ourselves with content in response to what Nintendo offers. We would like to give strong support."

That sounds like a helluva lot more than just 'warming up.' Square Enix is going to blow us all away with what they have ready for DS and it'll be interesting to see how Revolution support comes along.

 

[fse]

Nintendo Myspace

 

[Oogami]

Umm people are just going way overboard with this. FF: CC DS will be online that's why Square Enix was praising the online thing with Nintendo. They're promoting their own title!! That's all.

FF: CC DS will be pretty much all they will do for Nintendo. Nothing more.

 

[Mallrat83]

Umm people are just going way overboard with this. FF: CC DS will be online that's why Square Enix was praising the online thing with Nintendo. They're promoting their own title!! That's all.

FF: CC DS will be pretty much all they will do for Nintendo. Nothing more.

Hahaha, don't be hating. :lol

 

[Oogami]

I'm being a realist. You all should be too.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I'm being a realist. You all should be too.

SSS


Spin Sony Spin

 

[ThongyDonk]

u being an @~#.
There's many games announced for DS

Edit

NSS
New Nintendo Sexy

SSS
Sexy Sony Spin

 

[imastalker co.]

guys might want to do some fishing for old pictochat patents.

might give a good idea of what the DS connectivity will offer.

using the DS as a way to set up games with your friends while you're out is gonna be cool i think.

especially if the PDA stuff goes down don't you think? would be prefect for all those non-game gamers.

 

[Jonnyram]

guys might want to do some fishing for old pictochat patents.

Do you mean these?
Coloris, Orbital, T-Typo, Dialhex, Neopong, Sneakout, Swimworm, Dotliner and Sojourner.

 

[imastalker co.]

uh...

 

[Jonnyram]

uh...

Sorry, they were trademarks registered in Japan, not the patent application.

 

[Li Mu Bai]

Li Mu Bai, no offense, but since when do you have any contacts at all in any industry aside from your McDonald's manager? You're just a fan, no one has told you anything. Just irks me all the people on this board lately implying they know something they don't.

Bringing over your hate from the degenerate OA forums (while I was exiled to that cesspool) where your racial bigotry I found disguisting? Not surprising. I don't have to prove anything to you but know this, I had two friends graduate from Digipen (do you even know what that is?) a year & a half-ago, (in the industry now) my brother-in-law works at NST, if you remember I also had a family friend that did high level programming for TTS. (no longer with SK sadly) I don't need to justify anything else to a troglodyte like you. (no offense) I'm not anything close to an insider per se, (nor do I claim to be) but I run across info every now & then that's pertinent. Go back to helping your brother Whip, Whip shoot backyard wrestling videos, & indulging in delusions of physical grandeur while drinking cheap canadian beer. That forum fit your intelligence level far more than this one does. Check out my recent quotes, esp. regarding the DS software & I admit vague hints on the Revolution's power.

 

[Gaia Theory]

Umm people are just going way overboard with this. FF: CC DS will be online that's why Square Enix was praising the online thing with Nintendo. They're promoting their own title!! That's all.

FF: CC DS will be pretty much all they will do for Nintendo. Nothing more.

You're right.

They haven't confirmed Secret of Mana, FF III and a slew of other DS titles have they? No, no they haven't. You just keep believing that. ^_^

 

[Deku]

Also don't forget that Mr. Wada's comments are simply a mirage. nothing more.

 

[fse]

We'll find out.

 

[Mike Works]

THIS THREAD IS ALL AN ILLUSION...

 

[Dragmire]

No, this is a sign. Surely we are just days away from a Nintweenix merger.

 

[Akia]

THIS THREAD IS ALL AN ILLUSION...

:lol

 

[Buggy Loop]

Actually, hasnt Square been kinda warm to DS aswell? At least, more than i ever thought, i was sure they would jump on PSP at the given time but their main lineup is still on DS and most likely to grow even more at E3.

And now revolution

http://new.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=46394&highlight=square

PS3- Koei, From, Capcom, Konami, Namco, Sega etc are on board.
Revolution- Konami, Namco, Sega, Square Enix etc.

Now wait a sec, who would ever skip SE from ps3's support list if they were dev'ing for it?

Sony's constant screwing of their online launch in US and taking out the HDD from pstwo might be a bigger mistake than we thought, FFXI has more concerning problems? I dont think so, every new gamers that buy a PStwo is a customer SE cant reach, and thats every gamer since its launch and until the end of the generation, thats gonna be a LOT considering how PSone an insane ammount at the end of playstation's life. Thats also 12.96$ a month lost per FFXI subscriber, so basicly, SE can only rely on the PC communicty growing and maybe gamers with old PS2s that are very late to the party and want to see what ffxi is about, if the FFXI pack is even available by that time.

Lets face it, SE's main revenue for the past 2 years has been FFXI, and like any business, they'll want to expand into the MMORPG domain even further for more money, they dont care about who's 1st, 2nd or 3rd this gen, SE can change the tides with the snap of a finger, basicly, dont fuck with SE, give them all they want, and right now, seems like SE is desperate to find a good online platform for the continuation of FFXI or other franchises.

 

[DarienA]

So today this must qualify as today's desperate thread? or wait this thread was started yesterday...

 

[El_Victor]

It's all thanks to the puppies..

 

[Buggy Loop]

Aaaww. someone needs a hug

 

[Akia]

:lol :lol

 

[Spike]

Because PS3 is almost certain to be substantially more powerful than the other consoles, faithfully porting its games will probably prove more difficult than porting PS2 games to Xbox and GC has been, at least on a technical level.

You keep believing that...

What difference is it going to make if games are more likely to be ported around because of the high development costs? The Xbox and Cube were both more powerful hardware this gen. What happened? The games were made for the lowest common denominator, the PS2 in terms of hardware, and then ported up. If the games were made for the highest common denominator, the Xbox, then ported down, wouldn't the games have been better graphically at the least?

Something I find really funny is the about face on the system power issue from the fanboys around these parts. The Sony fans are now happy to theoretically have the most powerful system, when last gen it was all about the games. The Xbox fans now are all about the games, when they were obsessed with the system power last gen...

 

[djtiesto]

Nintendo Myspace

I'm sure by now you've seen this before, right? Still cracks me up whenever I see it.

A Friendster service sounds like a good idea when used for video game matches. You can have a profile where you list your games you play online, and your age group, etc, and then search for people with similarities. Would lead to less annoying pricks, at the very least.

 

[mrklaw]

You keep believing that...

What difference is it going to make if games are more likely to be ported around because of the high development costs? The Xbox and Cube were both more powerful hardware this gen. What happened? The games were made for the lowest common denominator, the PS2 in terms of hardware, and then ported up. If the games were made for the highest common denominator, the Xbox, then ported down, wouldn't the games have been better graphically at the least?

Something I find really funny is the about face on the system power issue from the fanboys around these parts. The Sony fans are now happy to theoretically have the most powerful system, when last gen it was all about the games. The Xbox fans now are all about the games, when they were obsessed with the system power last gen...

you keep beleiving that...

PS2 was the lowest common denominator, but also the highest selling machine. Which do you really think was the reason publishers chose that as the primary platform?

Now, lets assume PS3 is market leader next-gen (not a big stretch). If publishers again choose PS3 as the primary development platform, then it is also the highest common denominator, which could result in ports looking inferior.

(All that assumes that PS3 is the most powerful of course)

 

[Diffense]

Ah...it's the pre-generation 'Square returns to Nintendo' thread.

I think every new beginning generates this wave of optimism that FF and DQ will come back 'home'.

If Nintendo's nexy console offers something of substantial value to Square that Sony's doesn't offer; something in line with Square's ambition for the future, I guess strong Nintendo support is not impossible. However, we really have no evidence such a situation exists.

It's almost as if Wada likes playing with expectations, though his recent comments are a bit stronger than the 'we are looking into supporting it' of the gamecube generation. However, he didn't say that square will be providing strong support but that they'd *like* to. I'll believe it when I see it.

Nintendo gets support in line with the userbase its console is expected to attract. However, different types of games would attract new types of players. It's a bit of a chicken and egg scenario that I expect to continue.

 

[Mihail]

ye this situation IS way different. Back then sony didn't even own party of the company. lol The company will throw nini a bone or 2 to keep their DS lineup goin, but an FF or DQ ye will not see.

Phew! That was a close call. It's ok, guys -- the DS is doomed again.

 

[AB 101]

So Square is jumping Sony's ship and going back to Nintendo?

Or are they just going DS for handhelds and not bothering with the PSP?

 

[jarrod]

Genki

More than that... Konami's invested heavily into Hudson, Takara (who then merged with Atlus), Genki, Success and Sting.

 

[SomeDude]

Is there a reason why Square doesn't port there main titles to other systems? I'm sure they could sell a alot more copies of a game if they did.

 

[Pellham]

Is there a reason why Square doesn't port there main titles to other systems? I'm sure they could sell a alot more copies of a game if they did.

If they ported FF to XBox, it would sell like 100,000 copies max in Japan. If they ported FF to Gamecube, it would sell less than 300,000 copies in Japan.

Given how expensive it would be to port such a title, one can assume that the only reason Square doesn't port to other systems (in this generation) is the lack of demand to do so.

Now this whole Square warming up to Revolution reminds me of the way Enix supported the N64 early on. If the Revolution fails to catch on, you can bet Square will run back to mr. security blanket (aka Sony).

 

[fse]

I'm sure by now you've seen this before, right? Still cracks me up whenever I see it.

A Friendster service sounds like a good idea when used for video game matches. You can have a profile where you list your games you play online, and your age group, etc, and then search for people with similarities. Would lead to less annoying pricks, at the very least.

Never seen it. But its really funny. :lol

 

[radioheadrule83]

Porting from PS2 to the other consoles would have been a pain in the ass. Hopefully Square build their own cross platform SDKs in preperation for the eventuality that they may be able to sell something to more than one audience. They're a big company, and their competitors strive to do it when they can, why shouldn't they?

Nintendo have really been going out of their way to court Square/Enix. They could do more though. I'd say they're important enough to warrant investment.

SE do seem to be warming up to Nintendo. I think if they were prepared to set up a paper company for some crazy connectivity experiment and see reasonable success given the context, they'd be prepared to release other more normal games (via paper companies if necessary) too.

BTW is Kingdom Hearts GBA worth picking up?

 

[speedpop]

I don't think it's a secret that Nintendo will definitely have some kind of online product information service going when they get Revolution up and running (they wanted to do it with 64DD and they probably wanted to do it before that too). But they may offer DS demo downloads too. That would be pretty nifty.

Pretty sure Nintendo used an online service system with the NES mainly for businessmen. They are the forefathers of online for consoles.. don't know why everyone says "Nintendo = no-line = no sale :lol" or some such rubbish, they've just been biding their time financially for it to appeal to the mass audience. It didn't work for the NES, nor the SNES and the 64DD sunk without a trace. I've always had the stance that online gaming should be free and now finally it seems within the grasp with Nintendo.

 

[jarrod]

If they ported FF to XBox, it would sell like 100,000 copies max in Japan. If they ported FF to Gamecube, it would sell less than 300,000 copies in Japan.

Given how expensive it would be to port such a title, one can assume that the only reason Square doesn't port to other systems (in this generation) is the lack of demand to do so.

Probably for after the fact ports, unless there was some notable exclusive content added (then I bet we'd see 200k Xbox and 500k GC). Though they'd also likely sell 500k+ in the west too, Square Enix is a global publisher these days after all.

Porting's pretty cheap too really. I bet it would've cost less to port Kingdom Hearts to GameCube rather than develop FFCC. And it probably would've sold better too.

Now this whole Square warming up to Revolution reminds me of the way Enix supported the N64 early on. If the Revolution fails to catch on, you can bet Square will run back to mr. security blanket (aka Sony).

Actually, I could see just that too. Enix tested the waters of all 3 consoles (N64, PS1 and Saturn) with low prestiege games before finalizing on PS1 (with some Square nudging). They could very well do the same again with PS3, 360 and Rev.

 

[Ulairi]

The Kingdom Hearts GBA is a pretty good game. I wouldn't pay full price for it (again).

 

[John Harker]

I bet this is all just damage control on Sqaure's part.

They probably have a big, ambitious project to announce at E3 and they are saying this a full week in advance to soften up the media and the fans so it doesn't come out as this huge "OMG SQUARE ENIX IS CRAZY THEY GONNA BANKRUPT" shennigans.

Now people are EXPECTING something interesting, and are "looking" forward to some interesting/exciting information, as oppsed to them thinking that they are a) insane b) paid off by Nintendo or c) leaving Sony.

They are just making games for Revolution.... because they LIKE it, dammit. They WANT to. So = good.