brandonh83
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Yep. I think VIII and IX will be summer films, unless they decide that the spinoffs will be the summer films and that the numbered episodes will fall in the winter.
Star Wars: Force for Change - A Message from J.J. Abrams
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Yep. I think VIII and IX will be summer films, unless they decide that the spinoffs will be the summer films and that the numbered episodes will fall in the winter.
Bobby Roberts
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I believe Iger's said they wanna get it back to Summer, but they also specified the Sequel Trilogy is gonna run on a every-two-years schedule.
Meaning they'll probably have Episode 8 run on a 2 1/2 year schedule to get back to Summer, and then 2 years again for Episode 9.
Unless Star Wars fucking SLAUGHTERS in the winter (It'll likely benefit from the extended legs the winter months give to big hits) and then maybe they consider keeping it in winter going forward.
Meaning they'll probably have Episode 8 run on a 2 1/2 year schedule to get back to Summer, and then 2 years again for Episode 9.
Unless Star Wars fucking SLAUGHTERS in the winter (It'll likely benefit from the extended legs the winter months give to big hits) and then maybe they consider keeping it in winter going forward.
Warm Machine
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It makes the most sense to put 8 and 9 back to May releases after this. Gives them 2.5 years to get another one done. Ideally they would go back to 3 year gaps as to not burn it out. You can compress the release window if you shoot all of them back to back but I doubt they have a trilogy written and ready to go to accommodate that.
Digital-Hero
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Possible, Avatar did.
Bobby Roberts
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Even before it was announced they were doing it, I thought moving Star Wars to winter was a good idea. Extends the legs - and honestly, for a lot of people, the Christmas season is Star Wars flavored anyway. The holiday marathons on cable, the gifts themselves... it basically sets itself up as the PERFECT Christmas family movie outing. Lucasfilm would essentially own Christmas break all by itself.
It's not the worst idea.
And if you're staggering the releases so the spinoffs happen in Summer between Sequel Trilogy entries - you can use the Sequel Trilogy home-video releases in Summer as money-making marketing opportunities.
It's not the worst idea.
And if you're staggering the releases so the spinoffs happen in Summer between Sequel Trilogy entries - you can use the Sequel Trilogy home-video releases in Summer as money-making marketing opportunities.
I agree. It just doesn't seem like it would fit well during the summer blockbusters with all the other ongoing mega franchises that are pushed from May to August.
It will be really interesting to see how VII fares in the foreign markets. It's going to be massive, and I think it will surprise anyone hasn't given these movies a second thought.
Yeah and they're wrapping up, so more mind share is opening up just in time.
StreetsAhead
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So long as we don't end up with Hobbit-style half-finished effects.
XiaNaphryz
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Was barely in pre-production as far as I can recall at the time. The original dates assumed they would have nailed down the director, script, screenplay, casting etc at a faster pace than what we're seeing now.
Bobby Roberts
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If I remember correctly, in October, they had Arndt's three-movie outline, and he had yet to finish a second draft of Episode VII at that time.
Defenestrated Donut
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XiaNaphryz
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Umm...I think I'm quite aware of what was going on prior to the public announcement, thanks. ;P
So much better than CGI. There is hope.
Its so beautiful.
Thank you JJ... oh god thank you.
I think what the "it looks like a puppet and not real!" people are forgetting, is that with storytelling you don't need things to look genuinely real.
The only "real" element that matters is how well it fits into the fiction. This puppet already meshes with the setting around it well. It's equipped with weird caged snakey things that if simply shown and not talked about on-screen will generated small extra details/mysteries about the world. Why is it carrying them? Are they some kind of food? Are they dangerous in any way? etc It's not that it's just a puppet, it's a GOOD puppet used properly. It is world-building just by being there. That's where the excitement comes from.
This thing will probably only get like 2 seconds of screen time anyway. It will be used in specific lighting/angle that will hide its flaws. I wonder what else we'll see.
The only "real" element that matters is how well it fits into the fiction. This puppet already meshes with the setting around it well. It's equipped with weird caged snakey things that if simply shown and not talked about on-screen will generated small extra details/mysteries about the world. Why is it carrying them? Are they some kind of food? Are they dangerous in any way? etc It's not that it's just a puppet, it's a GOOD puppet used properly. It is world-building just by being there. That's where the excitement comes from.
This thing will probably only get like 2 seconds of screen time anyway. It will be used in specific lighting/angle that will hide its flaws. I wonder what else we'll see.
Bobby Roberts
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Heh.
Was there a draft or two of the script when the sale was announced, or was he still sorta cranking away at it after finishing the trilogy outline?
MisterGrey3000
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Wow at the long "CGI vs Practical Effects" debate.
I find the the hate that some film buffs have towards CGI to be very fascinating, and also incredibly tiresome.
It kind of reminds me of the "CGI vs Classical Animation" debate that many animation buffs engage in.Computers just seem to make some people furious, and I find it kind of funny.
In my eyes they're just tools that can be used to create really awesome stuff, nothing more nothing less. The puppet in the video looked pretty charming, and I'm sure it would look just as charming if was a CGI creature. It's a nice design. A good modeler, and animator could easily breathe a lot of life into it.
I find the the hate that some film buffs have towards CGI to be very fascinating, and also incredibly tiresome.
It kind of reminds me of the "CGI vs Classical Animation" debate that many animation buffs engage in.Computers just seem to make some people furious, and I find it kind of funny.
In my eyes they're just tools that can be used to create really awesome stuff, nothing more nothing less. The puppet in the video looked pretty charming, and I'm sure it would look just as charming if was a CGI creature. It's a nice design. A good modeler, and animator could easily breathe a lot of life into it.
Such a nice design too. Draws a lot from the camel as well as other things(middle eastern-ish or desert nomad attire?) It's not something boring that you'll completely forget 20 seconds after seeing it. Pretty good for a background character.
XiaNaphryz
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Employees heard the news shortly after Kennedy came onboard, which was a few months before the sale. I believe at that particular time there was an initial draft underway.
Bobby Roberts
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Thanks man.
SCULLIBUNDO
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The problem with the Star Wars sequels trying to take the late December Avatar approach is that they run into fucking Avatar.
Disney isn't that stupid.
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I would like to see how that would play out.
There's no way the Avatar sequels will be as strong as the first one.
They're both tools in film making yes but they present their own challenges and truimphs, pros and cons.
I personally can appreciate "puppets" simply because the way the motions/movement comes off of them(it also reflects the puppeteers skill) and how natrual lighting and such plays off of them.
Small details of course but they can have a pronounced effect on the response to the movie as (at least in my case) theirs an easier time had at suspending ones disbelief over the course of the film with puppets over cgi.
That however is probably a little subjective.
I dont mind CG assisting in action sequences but outside of stunts and short sequences, CG shouldn't be in the foreground too much IMO.
Also, I guess, my feeling of nostalgia just bursts seeing "puppet" character. I was in love with Yoda in the OT and that was probably when I fell in love with practical effects being used as well(from the ships used, to the multitude of characters/creatures in the SW universe).
WyndhamPrice
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Would they, though? Wouldn't it be Star Wars > Avatar > Star Wars > Avatar switching every other year?
SCULLIBUNDO
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While I agree with you, I'm never prepared to say never with Cameron.
But the fact is that if the sequels only manage to do half of what the first Avatar did, that's still just under 1.4billion. And again, that's only if they manage to do half.
Keeping in mind that Chinese market loved the first film and has exploded since it released.
Sculli would take up that bet.
I've learned to never bet against James Cameron.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Avatar sequels are hitting 2016, 2017, 2018.
XiaNaphryz
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Now you've done it...the thread will be hopelessly derailed by Sculli now.
But will they really?
Bobby Roberts
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Well, if reciepts for the 2016 entry don't do AS well, Disney/Lucasfilm might actually think they're safe occupying the same space at the same time. Or overlapping a little - and if the legs are extended, it's pretty possible viewers would be willing to alternate between the two DURING that venn diagram where they're both in theaters at the same time. Like say, Star Wars drops the 2nd weekend of December, and Avatar drops Christmas Eve or whatever.
That's if they don't immediately run back to May for the purposes of tradition or whatever.
That's if they don't immediately run back to May for the purposes of tradition or whatever.
Warm Machine
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Especially when it comes to sequels. Aliens and Terminator 2 are some of the best around.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Worst case is A2 not hitting till 2017 - when SW episode 8 will hit anyway if it keeps to the December release.
Discotheque
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i think avatar 1 is pretty boring until those last 30-40 minutes. but understandably he had to set up the world and characters.
now that all that's out of the way i think he'll do some interesting stuff with the universe.
and that camel alien looks hilarious. already better than anything i've seen in the prequel trilogy.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Yeah but would Disney be willing to lose half its screens and basically all its IMAX showings after 2 weeks?
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Oh no I just noticed the head of the guy inside the suit sticking out from the top, it moved!
Call George Lucas, we need a new release of Ep VII with improved special effects!
edit: Are they filming all three films at once?
I enjoy that it's disguised as a space rabbit or something.
No way. Maybe they'll shoot some shots in advance ala shooting the Tatooine scene in Episode III during filming of Episode II but no way JJ would want to shoot these back to back.
Warm Machine
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BTW, ILM in Vancouver here has been hiring animators to work on Episode 7. CGI creatures are pretty well guaranteed.
Defenestrated Donut
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JJ Abrams may not be a good director, but he genuinely seems to love Star Wars & wants to do the series justice.
Warning: 99% chances the first image in SW7 is going to be CG.
Think how SW movies all start; title and Episode ? summary of what has happened, then a look at a planet or a spaceship flying by. Those will be CG.
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I'm more concerned with whether they'll have alien extras jumping around in the background and making a lot of noise like someone trying to give a shoutout to their bros behind a newscaster in the field, or... god forbid, farting.
I don't agree with that. The Stan Winston animatronics looked lifeless compared to the CG.
I don't agree with that. The Stan Winston animatronics looked lifeless compared to the CG.
December 2015. Which feels like a real fucking rush.
So much better than CGI. There is hope.
Man, Yoshi hasn't aged well.
Well hopefully their marching orders are to recreate the more industrial architectural design of the OT. It is not like those designs for the PT were theirs to approve. It was all Lucas.
Brerlappin
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I heard about the extras thing on the radio last ngiht and said to the wife "wouldnt it be nice tog et a good Star Wars film for once?". Im getting a bit hyped now seeing this...fucking puppets!! Seriously amazing work can be done with good puppetry, just look at Jurassic Park. Film has barely aged in 20 years
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